Why though? We'll be competing on all fronts. Carrick is 34 and won't expect to be starting anymore. Leaves us with Herrera, Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin as starters, and then Carrick, Fellaini and pereira as the subs for the midfield. That's a perfectly normal blend, and none of the 3 who will be squad players at best would expect to be starting all the time next season anyway. Carrick is good enough obviously just old and always injured now.
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Carrick had serious injury issues last season, it literally prevented us from title charge and destabilized the formation with Blind trying to take too many responsibilities everywhere.
We need that position covered with absolute best. Sign both if you must. It's not like we're currently having exciting midfielder from reserves yet to emerge there while Pereira is more of an offensive option.
If we just decided to put the bid in then perhaps there is sense in Schweini wanting to leave for first team football. I don't see any reason in trying getting a player who doesn't want to leave. It will be waste of time if he'll decide to stay when we could already enjoy having Schneiderlin from weeks.
Time to make up your mind, Bastian.
We need that position covered with absolute best. Sign both if you must. It's not like we're currently having exciting midfielder from reserves yet to emerge there while Pereira is more of an offensive option.
If we just decided to put the bid in then perhaps there is sense in Schweini wanting to leave for first team football. I don't see any reason in trying getting a player who doesn't want to leave. It will be waste of time if he'll decide to stay when we could already enjoy having Schneiderlin from weeks.
Time to make up your mind, Bastian.
You forgot Blind too!
I'd just see him getting relegated down the pecking order. For me he, like Young, last season performed well and they deserve praise for their resilience, but they're just squad players really. Wouldn't be too happy about Fellaini playing either up top or in the hole with the talent we have there. Especially not if we do sign another top forward. The fact we're in Van Gaal's second season also makes it less forgiveable really.
He was used as a support striker or AM.
When was he used as a full number 9 and the furthest forward ? Fair bit of difference.
Think Blind will be more back up for left back, rotating with Shaw rather then part of the midfield. That way we have 2 players for every position basically, and then a couple of youngsters making up the rest of the squad.
So we've chosen Bastian, have to say, I think we're making a massive mistake.
He was used as the main striker a few times, either when we changed things up mid game to have a target man or just subbed him on. Don't think he ever started up there and played the full 90 but it happened a few times where he played up there, and it didn't work too badly either. Him being a squad option up top for when Rooney gets injured is definitely an option, as he can bully defenders and hold up the ball really well along with being a threat in the air of course.
West Brom at home. West Ham away.
Being pushed up alongside another striker when we were chasing a game is quite different to him being the main target man to lead the line in a 4-3-3.
He will then have to stay up top and run the channels etc.. Even more prolific scorers from deep like Lampard/Gerrard struggled when used as strikers.
He was injured on about four seperate occasions this year, and is now 34. Age catches up with you.
Don't think he's done it for us but I remember a period at Everton where all their strikers were injured so they put him up front and if I recall correctly he did quite well.
Three positions in midfield, Schweinstegier, and Herrera would have to be starters when fit, then the other position would be the attacking midfielder and for me Rooney (if we get a top striker in), or Mata will take that position. So we'd have Carrick, Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Mata/Rooney as back up, which is over kill imo.
ADM, and Pereira can also play there if needed too.
I'd be surprised if we don't get a top striker in as I think LvG just doesn't think Rooney is up to full time, but Rooney will have to play so I think he will rotate with the striker, and Mata.
Yep.
Carrick/Schneiderlin/Schweinsteiger/Ander for the two, with Blind also able to play there
Mata/Fellaini/Perreira for the #10, with Rooney also able to play there
That would give us a lot of flexibility - flat three; two sitting and one forward; one runner one creator etc.
Edit - if we did sign a striker I'd expect to see Rooney in #10 (at least initially as he's the captain, see how he gets on) though I'd prefer Mata. Mata would rotate on the right wing as he did towards the end of the season. Either way, lots of flexibility.
Schwein isnt going to play every week and neither is Carrick. Thats the reality of their situations
The obvious conclusion to draw is that we'll be phasing Carrick out this season but he'll still have plenty of oppertunities to play
Yeah but Fellaini is well used to being a target man, and Van Gaal likes his strikers to have the ability to hold up the ball and compete physically with defenders. He doesn't necessarily have to run the channels, and it's not like he'll be our main striker, he'll just be a sub unless Rooney is injured. Depay will probably be the one running in behind from the wing while Fellaini will be a target man. Can see it working, no guarantee of course but it's not a ridiculous option exactly.
If we had him, Morgan, Herrera, Carrick and Blind as cover we'd be looking at having a really strong midfield. I feel Van Gaal will want them both.
I can see Mata being played in midfield occasionally but that's about it. Even then, Mata is more likely to just be the right winger. Rooney will probably be our main striker next season, that's how it's looking so far at least and that's how it should be really. Schneiderlin would be a starter as well, or rotating with Carrick at least for the holding midfield position. Then we'd just have Fellaini as a senior player as back up to schweinsteiger/herrera, but others who can also play there like Mata/Rooney/Di Maria as you say. It's not overkill at all, 5 senior midfielders for 3 positions, and then a few others who can play there but usually will play elsewhere.
It's an option and as we saw last season, it did actually work for a bit. We wouldn't start that way in a derby but it'll be useful at times.
Calm down, nothing is decided yet.
Two years of contract offer... how's that solving the Carrick problem ? Very short term solution but extremely quality player, it has to be said.
This way or another, we'll need someone for years to come and Schneiderlin is just in your face obvious pick.
This way or another, we'll need someone for years to come and Schneiderlin is just in your face obvious pick.
Bayern used 10 or more different players in CM last season and thats just the league games, so I doubt Schweinsteiger is going to be put off by us taking both him and Schneiderlin- when he'll be the first choice anyway
This. Both him and Carrick wont play all our games. They're getting on especially Carrick and both a bit injury prone recently
This. He'll get injured in pre-season, well at least before the CL group stages. I'll be pissed if we have chosen Bastian over Morgan (can't be fecked to attempt to spell their second names)
Disliking this signing more and more as I think about it.
Would much rather we just sign Schneiderlin.
Would much rather we just sign Schneiderlin.
If it happens - no you are not. You need a commander in the middle - and that is what he is. I have seen so much matches in this season of you were the story turned after leading etc. - and then you need somebody that is able to help control it. And - that has the experience the others in your team just do not have.
The problem of Schweinsteiger at Bayern next season is not that he has injury problems. The problem is that he is nobody for a single 6, Alonso and Schweinsteiger together does not function - and Lahm and Thiago are Pep's absolut pets for the 8. This construct would cause seriously trouble in Munich if he does not leave and nobody gets injured. Schweinsteiger is boss of the dressing room and with Robbery and Müller the biggest fan love.
And that is exactly why everybody let's him decide what he wants.
He is 30 turning 31 - not 35. He still has some good years in front of him.
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But will Carrick and Schweinsteiger function? I echo earlier sentiments of mine, I think we'll have some similar issues that you current face with Carrick replicating Alonso in this case. To a lesser extent, I feel, but an issue nonetheless. Hopefully we start only one and bring the other on in the second half to see out games, or start both only in big games/European matches.
I'd be surprised if this is the case, Mata I feel was played on the RW because he had no option, and maybe felt the Herrera/Mata combo wouldn't work without a reliable defence, and DM as protection, I really think LvG wants wingers with pace, and Mata hasn't got it, anyway the number 10 position is his best.
If we go into the season with Rooney as the number one striker it'll only be because we haven't landed our targets, LvG made it pretty clear last season that he didn't think he could do it up top on a regular basis anymore, with CL added into the mix the need for a top class CF is huge.
Personally I think one of Felliani, or Mata will leave if we get Schneiderlin and Schweinstegier, most likely Fellaini.
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I think Bastian would be adored by our fans if he came, a real fan favourite but i will be seriously devastated if Schneiderlin doesn't end up at United.
How do you know we aren't going for both?
Bastian is a 6/8 in a double six or an 8 with a full 6 behind him. As an 8 he should have an 8 next to him or a 10 that is mobile or atleast as mobile as him. Schweinsteiger usually can be the player with the highest mileage on the field - but he is not the fastest. So the guy next to him should atleast shoulder half of the runs or be more dynamic than he is.
The German media tells in the last hour that you offered him a contract until 2017 with a 10m EUR wage (same as he gets right now). That is about 144.000 GBP/week.
With this acquisition you do not just get the player but a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room.
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What's the price for Schweinsteiger then? Hope we don't get shafted especially when you remember we're selling a 31 year old quality player for pennies too.
What about the fee ?
Stop thinking then.
Because we are negative muppets
£8-£10 million would be about right.
We are gunna have both.
Seriously, some people on here. Disliking the idea of signing Bastien Schweinsteiger ffs
Want him and that lad at Southampton. He and Carrick could rotate quite comfortably I imagine but Giggs was talking about wanting winners at the club and Schweinsteiger will inspire not just established players but the young players coming through. He could be our first German player too which is probably tempting.
If he wants to leave that will not be a big thing. The clubs are friendly with each other and will not make a big fight out of it. It will be the usual 10 to 15m EUR - nothing that hurts.
Especially as the other square peg in the round hole is not for sale.
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