You are right, we put ourselves in a position of weakness, the players know that we need them and the clubs know that we need their players, on top of that we have money.
But if we fix our team, all that will magically stop.
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You are right, we put ourselves in a position of weakness, the players know that we need them and the clubs know that we need their players, on top of that we have money.
But if we fix our team, all that will magically stop.
United's success had been built mostly on legends passing the torch to younger and equally talent players. We had the likes of Robson passing the torch to Ince and Keane which lead to the class of 92 and then to the likes of Carrick. However its pretty evident that for such thing to occur you need players with talent. You cant expect the likes of Cleverley and Ando to start playing as good as Carrick and Scholes did just because they played a numbers of years with them.
Under such circumstances we're in an awkward situation. We may have the potential (Herrera, Periera etc) however this squad is devoid of leaders who can gell things together. FFS our captain is Rooney. Cant it be more depressing than that? Mind I have mix feelings about Bastian. He's 30 which is not the right age for a player to go to the EPL and had his share of injuries. However there's no denying that we need leaders and Bastian is one of the best leaders you can get.
Id say we need to sit down and decide which formation we'll be using and act on it. If we're going 4-3-3 than there's no point of having the likes of Fellaini and Mata in the team as they can't be effective in a role that deep. If we're going 4-2-3-1 than we simply have to strengthen the 2 deeper roles as having 2 CMs to cover for the rest is tough. We also need to think of the defense especially if ddg is leaving
Under such circumstances we're in an awkward situation. We may have the potential (Herrera, Periera etc) however this squad is devoid of leaders who can gell things together. FFS our captain is Rooney. Cant it be more depressing than that? Mind I have mix feelings about Bastian. He's 30 which is not the right age for a player to go to the EPL and had his share of injuries. However there's no denying that we need leaders and Bastian is one of the best leaders you can get.
Id say we need to sit down and decide which formation we'll be using and act on it. If we're going 4-3-3 than there's no point of having the likes of Fellaini and Mata in the team as they can't be effective in a role that deep. If we're going 4-2-3-1 than we simply have to strengthen the 2 deeper roles as having 2 CMs to cover for the rest is tough. We also need to think of the defense especially if ddg is leaving
Paints a better pricture than the last years of Fergie in the market
You're referencing things that happened two years ago, under a cloud of miscommunication as well horrific planning from the outgoing parties.
The last twelve months has seen some solid business, the Nani-Rojo deal aside (paying his wages is admittedly odd).
We bought one of the best teenage defenders in the world who happens to be English, the high price was always a guarantee.
Falcao was a gamble that could well have paid off. The loan was a smart thing to do. Acting like a smart arse in hindsight is futile and unfair, because nobody could have foreseen just how bad he would be.
Di Maria being cheaper earlier in the summer is complete conjecture. He was one of the form players in the world, a no-brainer of a signing, and we were desperate for top quality. I'd pull the trigger on that deal again given similar circumstances.
None of Blackett, Keane and Thorpe are good enough so who got a new contract or not is largely irrelevant over the coming couple of seasons. Blackett clearly impressed the boss, however.
As for the Rooney contract, he's still one of our best players, a proven goal scorer and surprisingly good leader. We've needed him so it's hard to argue too much. Plus, we can afford it.
You're assessing most of that with a fair bit of bias, I reckon. There has been positive moves in recent times but you don't seem to want to acknowledge that.
He is earning 10 million euros a year and is one of their top earners. I think only Ribery and Götze are getting more, maybe Lewandowski now too.
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Seems like Lewa is on 8 million alongside Thiago and Müller. Schweini and Lahm on 10, Götze and Ribery on 12 million euros a year. At least that's what most sources are saying.
It's definitely not about money. He'll be 31 soon and perhaps he wants another challenge before he calls it a day and leaves to MLS. He's already said that he'd like to play in States I think and 2018 seems to be the target - 3 years is a perfect amount of time for him to join another club, have 3 good seasons there and perhaps collect a couple of trophies while playing in a new league. It's probably his last chance to leave Bayern and go to a big club, he's had some injury issues and in a year there might be a shortage of potential suitors - right now he could still easily get a move to a club like United.
Still think it won't happen though.
Still think it won't happen though.
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Id be a bit annoyed if we signed him instead of Schneiderlin, but it would be outstanding if we got both.
No way that's true.
Götze is not that high on wages - not directly. With the Bayern contract he got two sponsoring contracts with Audi and Samsung, two big Bayerns sponsors...
Lewa is higher than the 8 million.
This been on here yet?
That was in reference to Ramos. Schweinsteiger is the one that is apparently being phased out for here on in at Bayern from what I read. Think it's to do with their shortcomings in Europe.
That's the fecking difference between us and Bayern. They're the one's doing things right. From a position of strength they are looking to improve. Something we failed to do in 2008 as signings didn't work out and we've declined ever since.
you're on form recently my manMeh last summer they replaced Toni Kroos with Xabi Alonso.
Yes, a month ago. Whats the point?
Just thought it was pretty cool was all. Miserable sod.
He'd be good for the experience and maybe guiding some young players too, he has a year or two in him
Sorry thought this was the twitter transfer thread
carry onThis.
Would be a fantastic signing. A real statement.
Just need another five signings to go with it!
As he did it a month ago I'm going to pay a bit more attention to his tweets.Sorry thought this was the twitter transfer thread
How can you possibly know whether the man is still motivated or not?
Schweiny and Schneiderlin would be ideal. Our midfield would be up there with anyones; been a long time since we could say that.
Well i agree with you on Carrick, the stats and win/loss ratios speaks for themselves when united are with and without him proves he is important. But he is replaceable with players like Schweinsteiger or even Schneiderlin who can fill that role perfectly. You say Schweinsteiger is too old but Carrick is 2 years older than Schweinsteiger? and to say he's no longer motivated because he has won everything is just ridiculous, he hasnt won everything, if he joins united he has the opportunity to win the fa cup, the capitol one cup and the premier league trophy which Gerrard failed to obtain (had to put that in)
.With his form, it can be numerous of reasons why his form has dipped, could be due to the style of play that Pep has introduced into the team which doesnt suit Schweinsteiger? or maybe due to new talent coming through, which then he's just became out of favor from management? or maybe it is due to injuries, we dont know. What we do know what Schweinsteiger can offer to United, he can bring experience, range of passing, control, leadership etc. Mostly everything that Carrick can bring to the team. I'm not saying Schweinsteiger is a replacement for Carrick, but we need another player like Carrick to control the midfield because Carrick cant play week in and week out, especially with the schedule been increased due to Champions League football. I would prefer Schneiderlin due to the fact he is younger but he could likely go elsewhere or stay at Southampton so Schweinsteiger is the guy to get. Like i said, if you seen the stats without Carrick it shows we need a player like Schweinsteiger who could share the schedule with him and take pressure off Carrick then. A replacement for a long term is another topic, but right now united needs a ready made midfielder who can control the game, pick out the right passes, and just hold that midfield.
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I was spot on then. That's about 140k a week in pounds.
Or... he waits until he can announce his retirement contract at Bayern on matchday 1 of the Bundesliga at the Arena.
I see him as a much more realistic target than Ramos. First there's his link with van Gaal, then the fact that he's admired United for a while, then also the fact that he'll be 31 soon and it's his final chance to get a move to another top club and test himself outside of Germany in a competitive league. He's definitely considering us and it's not a plot aimed at getting a higher contract (which I reckon Ramos rumours might turn out to be), whether he chooses to come here at the end is another question but this is definitely a possibility.
and we are totally different team when we play without Herrera, I'd say even worse. Stay objective. We will be very okay with either Schneiderlin or Schweinsteiger, also everybody knows how Carrick can be good when he's fresh so let him play 20-25 games and you'll get the best out of him maybe even the next season.
I don't get this we are lost without Carrick, just need to invest in a player, we haven't bought defensive minded midfielder since Hargreaves, herrera and fellaini are more useful elsewhere before someone starts with anything. Obviously it depends on who we sign but I think we will be even better post-Carrick. Watch the space..
Yeah, that's not true at all. We looked like a quality team for two spells last season, both times when Carrick had a run of games. In the first run of games Hererra didn't feature, in the second he did.
Do we know why Bayern would allegedly sell him for the quoted 7.5 million? I know his contract is up next year but even so, wouldn't you rather keep a player of Schweinsteiger's quality and let him go for free than sell him for such a low fee?
I would prefer a younger midfielder and feel like Schweinsteiger is just a few yards past his peak but at that price he'd be a superb addition.
I would prefer a younger midfielder and feel like Schweinsteiger is just a few yards past his peak but at that price he'd be a superb addition.
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I don't know, I'm just summarizing what other people are saying about them in this thread. I personally don't think someone with his winning mentality will ever lose motivation to win.
I totally agree with what you've said.Well i agree with you on Carrick, the stats and win/loss ratios speaks for themselves when united are with and without him proves he is important. But he is replaceable with players like Schweinsteiger or even Schneiderlin who can fill that role perfectly. You say Schweinsteiger is too old but Carrick is 2 years older than Schweinsteiger? and to say he's no longer motivated because he has won everything is just ridiculous, he hasnt won everything, if he joins united he has the opportunity to win the fa cup, the capitol one cup and the premier league trophy which Gerrard failed to obtain (had to put that in)
With his form, it can be numerous of reasons why his form has dipped, could be due to the style of play that Pep has introduced into the team which doesnt suit Schweinsteiger? or maybe due to new talent coming through, which then he's just became out of favor from management? or maybe it is due to injuries, we dont know. What we do know what Schweinsteiger can offer to United, he can bring experience, range of passing, control, leadership etc. Mostly everything that Carrick can bring to the team. I'm not saying Schweinsteiger is a replacement for Carrick, but we need another player like Carrick to control the midfield because Carrick cant play week in and week out, especially with the schedule been increased due to Champions League football. I would prefer Schneiderlin due to the fact he is younger but he could likely go elsewhere or stay at Southampton so Schweinsteiger is the guy to get. Like i said, if you seen the stats without Carrick it shows we need a player like Schweinsteiger who could share the schedule with him and take pressure off Carrick then. A replacement for a long term is another topic, but right now united needs a ready made midfielder who can control the game, pick out the right passes, and just hold that midfield.
I think we only looked like a top team towards the end of season, however we looked clueless for a week after that spell with Herrera still in the team. He definitely impacts how we play though.
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