How do dare you fine Barcelona? I'll have you know they're more than a club.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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But then he’s saying it was biased before that?
the man has a massive tax bill after this and will face jail time, he has no reason to lie now.
Please note this is the one we know about. How certain can we be that a club which does this only does it once and only with this guy?
I would speculate that this guy looks like the go between/ fixer.
Unless someone pays his massive tax bill for him :P
The videos are proof that in certain moments where Barcelona do not whistle a penalty against the team was harmed and not favored as the media say handled by the puppets of Florentino Pérez.
The whole story comes from them. Yesterday doing specials on television García Ferreras and Josep Pedrerol. His 2 biggest puppets.
You announce the creation of the superliga and Florentino is going to announce it to the Chiringuito , Pedrerol's program. How they are going to take you seriously presenting the super league in that program??
Niemans right now:
Iturralde Gonzalez. Referee 1995-2012.
Marca
Iturralde González: "When I entered the arbitration they told me that you do not become a referee until you collide with the white bus".
"In the CTA they are calm because they agree with the referee in all decisions, knowing what happens. Many times you laugh when I tell you that I was told when I entered the arbitration a phrase, which is that you do not become a referee until you collide with the white bus. And today it has been demonstrated, and yesterday it was demonstrated, that even in the success look at the one that has been mounted. In the right way," said Iturralde.
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Iturralde González: "When I entered the arbitration they told me that you do not become a referee until you collide with the white bus".
"In the CTA they are calm because they agree with the referee in all decisions, knowing what happens. Many times you laugh when I tell you that I was told when I entered the arbitration a phrase, which is that you do not become a referee until you collide with the white bus. And today it has been demonstrated, and yesterday it was demonstrated, that even in the success look at the one that has been mounted. In the right way," said Iturralde.
For madridistas and anti-Barcelona to read this. It seems, it just seems that when you give information that doesn't go with their story then they ignore the information.
There are extremely exaggerated payments, a burofax from Negreira threatening Barcelona to pull out all the shit, outflows of 200,000 euros in cash (let's see what comes out of it) and an exorbitant arbitration balance.
Today they say that Barcelona(like many other teams) have a former referee for advisory duties and he earns 25000 a year!
The story comes from el Mundo, Pedrerol had no idea, and limited himself to making a special programme.
I give information that refutes the arguments that are given. If someone wants to know the reality you only have to see the matches of Barcelona and Madrid of the 2016-17 season.
Do not listen to me or those who think otherwise but watch the games.
But people won't do it because they don't care in the slightest and they're too lazy. He will just let him take his feelings towards that team, make memes or troll. People arguing when they don't watch a single Spanish league game.
At times I wonder if some Barcelona fans showing this whataboutism attitude (I am thinking of Mister Seitan) are not actually harming their club more than they are helping it.
Yesterday I saw a Youtuber Barcelona fan who is ashamed of this kind of behavior because he thought it was against the interests of the club that fans did not demand immediate explanations from all parties involved instead of trying to hide the Sun with one of their fingers.
And the original story actually comes from Cadena Ser Barcelona, but who cares where it comes from. The documents speak for themselves and all the international media are speaking about this. If anything we should ask ourselves why a great part of Catalan media are hesitant to inform given the seriousness of the information that has emerged.
Yesterday I saw a Youtuber Barcelona fan who is ashamed of this kind of behavior because he thought it was against the interests of the club that fans did not demand immediate explanations from all parties involved instead of trying to hide the Sun with one of their fingers.
And the original story actually comes from Cadena Ser Barcelona, but who cares where it comes from. The documents speak for themselves and all the international media are speaking about this. If anything we should ask ourselves why a great part of Catalan media are hesitant to inform given the seriousness of the information that has emerged.
But thats still influencing the actual decision is it not? Regardless of who benefitted?
Like if he was paid by Barca to make sure all the decisions went against Barca (stupid as that sounds) does that make paying him in such dodgy circumstances ok because Barca didnt benefit?
If hes being paid to ensure decisions are neutral then isnt that his actual job anyway? And why would Barca need to pay him for that?
But I've been saying exactly the same thing. I said it in a post several days ago already. I agree that it is strange and if rules have been broken, they should be punished with the greatest harshness.
What I discuss and will discuss to the death were things that you have put, for example, that you have insinuated that Barcelona have been favored because they have not been awarded a penalty in the 16-17 season. When Real Madrid won the league that year by a three-point difference and was greatly favored by refereeing errors and Barcelona was greatly harmed.
And I put videos and images of that season with the errors. I just rebutted that because it's not true. And whoever has an interest in the subject should watch the Barcelona and Real Madrid matches this season.
I'm seeing a lot of very flimsy comments about some chairmen that you think somehow prove they were in Real Madrid's pocket, from an article written by an Atletico supporter who spends a lot of time writing stories about Barcelona.
Anyone can dismiss these videos and images because we have no way of knowing if they are an accurate reflection of the whole balance of the season. It is cherrypicking.
What you have said is an Ad Hominem as big as Everest.
You must refute their information, not who it comes from.
Well, look for the videos of that game and put your own images, it's that easy to counteract that information.
What happens is that this takes a long time and it is easier to deny it just because. I lived through that season and the indignation I had for those mistakes was enormous, which is why I remember many of them.
The arbitration errors occurred and that's it. Madrid won the League and nothing happens, they are congratulated, period. In my case, the important thing is to enjoy football. But that people come above to misrepresent and manipulate reality and deny the undeniable... I do not accept that.
Which movie is that?
By the way, here from what I see there are people with very thin skin. The crystal generation they call I suppose. For more than a year they have said many things to me and not pleasant ones, I take it with humor and I have responded without disrespect.
But someone reported me for something and I have a ban warning for a few days, some will be happy because apparently I'm a bot
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From now on I am also going to start reporting disrespect so that there is equality.
But someone reported me for something and I have a ban warning for a few days, some will be happy because apparently I'm a bot
. From now on I am also going to start reporting disrespect so that there is equality.
The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!
That's what some referees have said, that Barcelona may have overestimated Negreira's influence and that he was cheating them or other youtubers who say that Barça didn't know very well what they were paying for, "Bartomeu's stuff", but I don't think it will change much, especially when it has been done for so many years.
Oh, well aren't you a sweet little condescending scamp?
I have refuted it, if you read the words I've typed. I've refuted it by saying the links he's making are circumstantial at best and his own bias shines through. It's quite important to note that when we're talking about journalists.
The bit about who they are was directed at you. You've taken an Atleti fan who does puff pieces for Barca as your idea of one of Spain's best journalists. Of course you'd think that, because you're so far up Laporta's ass you might as well be the same person.
Barcelona went into the last game of the 2016/2017 season 3 points behind Real Madrid, but with better head-to-head results. Had Real Madrid lost, and Barcelona won, the latter would have been champions.
Barcelona found themselves down 0-2 by minute 61.
Then they awarded a penalty for this (you have to click on the link to see the video).
Messi missed the penalty.
Anyone who sees that video, ask yourself why this was not included in Niemans' post about Barcelona being unfairly treated in 16/17.
Barcelona were granted another penalty in the same match, for a clear dive by Neymar. This one they did score. They won the game 4-2. You can see that one here:
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It was all a Madrid conspiracy to make Barcelona use their money inefficiently!
Luis Bassat is a very important Spanish publicist. His wikipedia page . He was born in Barcelona, he directed the opening ceremony of the 1992 Olympic Games of Barcelona and was candidate for the Barca presidency twice, in 2000 and 2003 (the period in which the ref payments started). He failed both times.
He gave an interview that you can read in Spanish here after losing the presidency elections against Laporta. In this interview he confesses the following:
“Mal, pero también liberado porque [...] he visto cosas que dicen que hay que hacer a las que ya no tendré que enfrentarme”.
P. ¿Qué cosas?
R. Por ejemplo, que me viniera una persona muy importante del club y me dijera: “¿Y tú cómo quieres ser presidente, si hay muchas cosas que no sabes?”. Yo contesté que hasta el momento me había defendido bien: “¿Qué es lo que no sé?”. Y me soltó: “Por ejemplo, cómo se compra a un árbitro”.
Translation:
"(I am feeling) Bad, but also liberated because [...] I have seen things that they say that I have to do that I will no longer have to deal with."
Q. What things?
A. For example, that a very important person from the club came to me and said: "And how do you want to be president, if there are many things you don't know?" What is it that I don't know?" And he answered me: "For example, how to bribe a referee."
He gave an interview that you can read in Spanish here after losing the presidency elections against Laporta. In this interview he confesses the following:
“Mal, pero también liberado porque [...] he visto cosas que dicen que hay que hacer a las que ya no tendré que enfrentarme”.
P. ¿Qué cosas?
R. Por ejemplo, que me viniera una persona muy importante del club y me dijera: “¿Y tú cómo quieres ser presidente, si hay muchas cosas que no sabes?”. Yo contesté que hasta el momento me había defendido bien: “¿Qué es lo que no sé?”. Y me soltó: “Por ejemplo, cómo se compra a un árbitro”.
Translation:
"(I am feeling) Bad, but also liberated because [...] I have seen things that they say that I have to do that I will no longer have to deal with."
Q. What things?
A. For example, that a very important person from the club came to me and said: "And how do you want to be president, if there are many things you don't know?" What is it that I don't know?" And he answered me: "For example, how to bribe a referee."
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Videos cannot be viewed. But you haven't commented on the plays I've put in. All of them. That those plays have much more influence on points than the 2 that you have put.
As a madrid fan yeah, i agree. Clear red. Took me a few months to get over it at the time, but nothing to complain now. It's why Bayern fans complaining about the ref in '17 makes me smile too, with a competent ref bayern play the whole game down a man(Vidal attempting to collect Isco's foot as a trophy) and we win 6-0, and we avoid the clusterfeck that followed
As for the current investigation, it's bad. Really bad. And also not surprising. I've followed the league for close to 30 years now and there have been several seasons where I got the impression that the refs were clearly influencing results a certain way, sometimes for us, sometimes for them, a couple times for Depor and Valencia, Atleti got the push two years ago as well. It's Spanish football basically. Wouldn't surprise me if something similar came up with us involved - well it would because Florentino is powerful, but yeah, you get my point
I don't need to. My argument is that you are deliberately misleading everyone by selectively posting incidents.
I have proven this to be true by uncovering this absolutely shameless incident that you selectively excluded from your posts.
2013-14 season.
Last league match.
Barcelona versus Atlético de Madrid at the Camp Nou. If Barcelona wins it is league champion, otherwise it is Atlético de Madrid.
The match goes 1-1 in the second half. And they cancel a legal goal to Messi, with that goal Barcelona would have been champion of the League.
Messi goal.
The ball came from an Atletico Madrid player, that's why there is no offside.
Last league match.
Barcelona versus Atlético de Madrid at the Camp Nou. If Barcelona wins it is league champion, otherwise it is Atlético de Madrid.
The match goes 1-1 in the second half. And they cancel a legal goal to Messi, with that goal Barcelona would have been champion of the League.
Messi goal.
The ball came from an Atletico Madrid player, that's why there is no offside.
By saying you don't need to, you're refusing to know the reality of what happened. You don't want to see those plays because you know I'm right and its true. Otherwise you would be happy to throw it in my face.
You just proved me right in what I put earlier.
When will we get to the defense of "our old president did it so it's not Barca's fault"?
Everyone will say it until that reaches Núñez, who is dead and cannot speak.
I'm not of your opinion @Niemans but I appreciate how you succeed in argueing respectfully, sometimes with annoyingly good counters, in a generally adverse environment. They could use this strength of character very well at your club.