We should be doing the same with Jones tbh
Barca trying to terminate the contracts of Umtiti and Pjanic
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I'm all for salary caps in football, but very hard to tell that to a 6 time Balon D'Or winner, arguably greatest player in history, and among the most marketable athletes of all time.
That basketball mentality won't work in this sport. You need quality to win in football, no one player is going to get it done. Just last season they came 3rd and they had Messi and no one else had a player like that. He was easily nullified in the important games. He's simply not worth the money he wants. Sadly for Barca they don't seem like the sort of organization that can build another great side.
People need to lay off Jones. He didn't ask for a new contract, some idiot upstairs gave him one. It's not like he's absolutely rinsing us either.
That's not a basketball mentality, that's how football has worked for most of its history and the recent expensive version of Barcelona has been the least successful of the last 15 years. Also teams made of world class players are very rare and the idea that it's normal is recent, it's also not even that common today.
I get all that, but “hey Messi. The club is in dire financial mess. We are having to chop some players and salary cut everyone else to pay your wages”.
how he responds to this will be how he’s remembered by a lot of people.
Theyve made some mistakes in the market, no doubt that. This past era of Barca was based on their overall quality, although not expensive because they were development products but their world class statuses could never be question.
The notion that you could throw Messi in with some decent players and get anywhere is naive. 2 million a week for any player is stupid. Other clubs will make better use of wages like that and win while you look from afar.
No reason to, There's a chance to find Jones a club that will pay part of his salary, instead of us paying out his ENTIRE salary for the remainder of his contract in one go.
On the subject of Messi: Hard to know what the players themselves feel, but there's probably a lof of strong camraderie in that dressing room that are well aware of what's going on and are ok with it as long as they can keep their own salaries. The only reason Agüero signed for Barcelona is to play with his best friend, Leo Messi.
Barcelona FC however can not receive enough criticism for putting the club in the situation it is in. I've never seen such absolute tremendous waste of euros as I've seen with Barcelona and their recruitment the past years. Absolutely beyond shocking. Even worse than Manchester United.
Where is that notion coming from? As far as I can remember I mentioned expensive players, every other teams in the world are able to build competitive teams without having an expensive player in all position and 7 other on the bench. Barcelona re the team that spent the most over the last 6-7 years and they are not the most successful.
Pjanic can still be a backup for Busquets. Umtiti is totally useless IMO. His injury has killed his career.
Well Boris is saying full capacity stadiums in 2 weeks, so I think Spain will be sometime similar, so financial pressure on clubs will hopefully start to ease.
Barca have spent worse than anyone over the past 5 years. Griezmann(although slightly improving) , Coutinho, Ousmane Dembele, Pjanic have all been astronomical disasters.
Those in the Messi camp could argue that it's not fair that he takes a hit for the clubs disastrous and reckless spending.
We're paying almost €400,000 a week for a washed up keeper, who has lost his hunger to fight, to warm the bench. Nodody is asking him to take a pay cut, and yet we're half a billion in debt too!
I see Mourinho going in for him.Who is going to pay an Umtiti with no knees 230,000 Euros a week??
He will be staying and getting that cash unless Barcelona paying him off
Sources say Pjanic on 180,000 Euros a week, so I could see one of the Italian teams offering him that on a free. Juventus love a freebie
If they really want to free up their wage, they should look at Greizmann’s racism on social media and fire him for that. Problem solved and 40 million Euros a year saved!
Pjanic wouldn’t be short of suitors. Would love to see him at spurs, but man can dream. We have to deal with Sissoko, Winks and Dele first.
I see him as a good fit for United, Arsenal are in dire need of midfielders.
Barca are so thick sometimes. 
Ultimately Pjanic was just done for non football reasons. Surprised with Umtiti though, thought he was just injured for most of last season. Koeman really prefer to keep Lenglet?!
Also seen premier league tax has come to their rescue yet again, see Trincao is going to Wolves on years loan with option to buy for 25m.
Part of why I can't really stand this era Barca, constantly buying players with little idea how to fit them into the first 11/squad and just selling them on after a year. Can't think of another major club that does that as often as they do.
Ultimately Pjanic was just done for non football reasons. Surprised with Umtiti though, thought he was just injured for most of last season. Koeman really prefer to keep Lenglet?!
Also seen premier league tax has come to their rescue yet again, see Trincao is going to Wolves on years loan with option to buy for 25m.
Part of why I can't really stand this era Barca, constantly buying players with little idea how to fit them into the first 11/squad and just selling them on after a year. Can't think of another major club that does that as often as they do.
Barcelona started chasing really hard after Madrid started sealing CL after CL every year. Usually, chasing results in very bad business decisions. I have no idea how they will accomplish everything to keep Messi in the squad.
A club could also use with leverage when negotiating, or any business, really, and clubs know they are desperate to reach a specific goal, which in turn will leave them with no leverage and will porbably return them with lesser deals with just about any player they want to discard. Other clubs will just drag it on until the last days, so desperation can reach all time levels, and then take the players in at an even bigger discount.
A club could also use with leverage when negotiating, or any business, really, and clubs know they are desperate to reach a specific goal, which in turn will leave them with no leverage and will porbably return them with lesser deals with just about any player they want to discard. Other clubs will just drag it on until the last days, so desperation can reach all time levels, and then take the players in at an even bigger discount.
Mourinho is a good shout yeah! But I don’t think he would be able to offer even half his salary at Roma!
Barca are so thick sometimes.
Ultimately Pjanic was just done for non football reasons. Surprised with Umtiti though, thought he was just injured for most of last season. Koeman really prefer to keep Lenglet?!
Also seen premier league tax has come to their rescue yet again, see Trincao is going to Wolves on years loan with option to buy for 25m.
Part of why I can't really stand this era Barca, constantly buying players with little idea how to fit them into the first 11/squad and just selling them on after a year. Can't think of another major club that does that as often as they do.
Umtiti (according to most reports) has a degenerative knee issue that can't be fixed anymore. Apparently there was a chance for surgery but he chose to keep playing injured to play in the world cup.
Surely if they sign a contract they have to pay up the value of the contract to the player if they want them gone?
Fair enough, didn't know it was that bad.
But if it is that bad surely Barca know another top club isn't going to take the risk if he's going to retire in a year and it's not like Umtiti would just sign for Burnley or Watford, type of clubs who would be more than willing to sign him.
Unless their old buddies Bayern Munich or Juventus just come in to take him in squad play role of 5-10 games a season and help Barca out yet again.
Mind you didn't Chelsea know Essien was pretty much done at top level and he still was at Real Madrid on loan for a season.
I don't know how true it was but were we not linked to Umtiti for like 40m a year or two ago?
Thank the lord that didn't happen
Thank the lord that didn't happen
You're probably right with the clowns running them, that's part of the reason they haven't won a european cup since 2015. Laporta needs to learn lessons of the last time he took over in 2003 when they were also in a big mess but quickly sorted it out by signing players for the long term....likes of Rafa Marquez, Eto'o and Ronaldinho all signed that summer and were there for 5-6 years.
Barca need to get out of this mindset of signing endless players in the same position and then just giving up on them after 6-18 months and hoping a prem club will come in and bail them out e.g. someone coming in with 25-30m bid for Depay next season if that's their thinking at the top.
idiotic post, they’ve been wanting these players gone for quite some time, pjanic since January and Umtiti long before then. Has nothing to do with Messi
We should stick a cheeky bid for De Jong. Barca are an absolute fecking mess at the minute.
I agree. Try to force their hand.
Pjanic would be a good addition to any squad. Unfortunately Umtiti's wank
Sounds like a bargain either way. People seem to forget that until Barca pumped him full of growth hormone like Captain America they were just a Tapas Stevenage and when he leaves it'll wipe out 50-70% of their support and revenues.
The thread underneath this tweet paints an extremely dire picture. How on earth did their finances get so disastrous?
I assume that guy means €200m and not €200k?
If we really want to test their resolve we should go for their best. Pedri and Ansu Fati.
But in all fairness, this whole mess was caused by the last board unable to convince the players to stay without offering them huge salaries and now they refuse to leave .
A little bit of ruthlessness needs to be shown by the new board. From my understanding they took a 500m loan for short term debts and contract terminations. They will work the salary cap situation out before the season starts.
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Value and price are two different things. When prices deviate too much from the assets fundamental value, it is considered mispriced.
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Probably weekly. So without Aguero, Memphis and the rest they are still 200k per week above the limit...so to register more players they have to cut more is how I understand it
Edit: just looked at the comments under the tweet. Its €200m actually.
theyre fecked.Chucked a lot of money at a lot of duds in quick succession. Over £300m in transfer fees alone on Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann.
De Jong is a great player but he didn't come cheap either. I guess this has been compounded by the pandemic, but they must've known about this for a while - they did that shady Pjanic/Arthur deal with Juventus last summer too.
It's hard to sympathise with a club who have done these things to themselves. Even now, financially ruined so signing 33 year old crocked Aguero on big money?
Cheeky double bid for De Jong and Ter Stegen?
I'd even take Biscuits, we could do with an experienced shithouse DM for a season or two.
I'd even take Biscuits, we could do with an experienced shithouse DM for a season or two.
Been saying it for a while, they looked like they were going to get fecked for years now the way they were spending.
I think Pjanic will definitely go, Firpo is off to Leeds.
Umtiti is worth a punt at 20m euros. He'd suit someone like Spurs, Everton etc
Griezmann I'd try shift. Dembele, too. I think I posted before the only way Barca can ever rebuild properly is when Messi leaves. His contract is crippling. Isn't it something mental like over a mill a week, all in
I think if they'd chosen not to renew Messi's deal, they'd have no issues with salary limits. But then again, its Messi, why wouldnt you renew it haha
Umtiti is worth a punt at 20m euros. He'd suit someone like Spurs, Everton etc
Griezmann I'd try shift. Dembele, too. I think I posted before the only way Barca can ever rebuild properly is when Messi leaves. His contract is crippling. Isn't it something mental like over a mill a week, all in
I think if they'd chosen not to renew Messi's deal, they'd have no issues with salary limits. But then again, its Messi, why wouldnt you renew it haha
Barca and Real suffering makes me happy Im not going to lie. They have been financially doping for years and its finally caught up with them. Now we just have to stop the state owned clubs somehow.
Yep, to quote our lovable German feeder club - "you love to see it". They were really banking on the ESL being a much needed lifeline, but not thats gone tits up, so is their outlook
If they got rid of Griezmann and realized Messi is pretty much past it it would solve all their issues.
another moronic take when as of right now messi is favourite to win ballon d’or and has more MOTM awards than any other player in 2021
Covering yourself in shit in this thread
your blind loyalty to mighty midget is why your club is so fecked.Yeah, if I remember reportedly Barca wanted £60 million or something stupid and priced us/him out of a move. Given that they knew about his knee injuries they should have taken it and ran.
love it.