hes only been playing for 18 months for the first team. Shaw had 3 years with first team before we bought him. this is not to take away from the fact that we have taken a huge gamble on shaw. and we are lucky to have daley blind and rojo two experienced LB's as cover. Our CBs (barring evans) are inexperienced. We need a commanding presence and experience anyone who thinks laporte will bring that to the table understands very very little about football. we need to buy an established CB to have an immediate effect on our defesive organization. Not a 20 yr old whos still finding learning his trade.
Aymeric Laporte | Signed new 5 year deal with Athletic
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Shaw didn't have three years in the first team at Southampton before we bought him. He had one substitute appearance in the FA Cup during the 2011-2012 season so you can't count that as a season with the first team. The following season when Southampton were back in the Premier League he began the season as second choice left back to Danny Fox. He didn't make his first start in the league until November. He only really established himself in the starting XI in the second half of the season. Last season was the first and only season he had at Southampton in which he was an established player in the first team. In other words, like Laporte now, Shaw only had 18 months of regular game time in the first team before we signed him.
"with the first team" means training with them and playing with them. laporte was with the B side till late 2012. mabe shaw has had an additional year of that kind of exposure but it doesnt help the point im making which is that shaw was a risk. its worked so far. but we need not take another. we need an established CB. its clear for all to see. i cannot see how that can be up for debate.
Well he wasn't training with them the whole season when he made that one appearance in 2011-2012. He played against us in the FA Youth Cup that year IIRC so he was largely still in the youth team. If Laporte was still playing in the second team at Athletic until late 2012 he then has nearly two years with the 1st team. I can see where you are coming from with wanting to sign a more experienced defender, but with a manager like LVG in charge I don't see anything wrong with signing an extremely talented young player like Laporte.
So Varane and Laporte 
....clueless feckers. I would kill for one of them.
....clueless feckers. I would kill for one of them.France's central defence will be sorted for years.
Sorry, but neither Smalling or Jones are inexperienced. They just make some stupid bone headed mistakes that most youth players should not be making. Yes, they have suffered injuries and been played out of position, but they have played in the Champions league for a few seasons and also for their Country. Inexperience should not be used as an excuse for both of them.
The issue here is not experience but the fact that they can barely play 4-5 games before they get injured again. What we need is a stable defense
we will never get a stable defense, it is cursed i tell you.
there always has to be an area in which we are handicapped.
Well Parker-Bruce-Pally-Irwin looked pretty stable to me. So was the Gaz-Johnsen-Stam-Irwin and Gaz-Rio-Vidic-Evra. To be fair we did suffer from a certain lethargy in replacing first teamers who were clearly becoming too old or injury prone (ex Johnsen or Wes Brown). However we were never in this ridiculous situation were injuries has crippled us so much that we can barely recognize what is our first team defense in the first place.
it has been more of a thing since around the time Keane was getting old. We needed a mid-fielder, fixed it finally with Carrick. Then after a gap again we started needing midfielders and that wasn't fixed for a while. And then as we seem to have gone some way towards addressing the problem, our defence seems to have become even worse than our midfield ever was (the last time it was like this was in 2001-02 season before we bought Rio)
I think its older then that. Take the Treble squad as an example. We had just won the treble, the team was young, built on a core of homegrown talent and it was hungry for success. All we had to do was to find quality replacements for Schmeichel, Irwin (who was getting old), Blomqvist and Johnsen (they picked a career threatening injury). Instead we went for Pound shop buys which consisted on Bosnich, AC Milan reject Taibi, Inter reject Silvestre, Barcelona reject Cruyff, Athletico Madrid reject Fortune and someone called Erik Nedvland. Those transfers were more appropriate for Bolton then United
And old-man Blanc, a little later while selling Stam
I guess Fergie could do whatever he wanted and yet deliver success. It is as if he found it too easy and wanted to do it with a handicap. It is amazing looking back
That's 20/20 hindsight revisionist bullshit . Silvestre was a highly rated young defender who had a decent carreer at Utd. Ditto for Fortune, Nevland was a promising young striker who never really developed, Bosnich was highly rated at the time (obviously didn't work for him at Utd) and Taibi was both a poor transfer and poor handling of a player.
By your reckoning Arsenal signing Vieira and Henry was a case of them going for "Pound shop buys which consisted of AC Milan reject Vieira and Juventus reject Henry".
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Not really. Silvestre was rotting in Inter's reserves when we stepped in. I happen to have a lot of Interisti mates of mine so I remember the stick I've got when we signed him in. Quinton Fortune was playing with Atletico Madrid B at that time. I never really rated Bosnich to be honest.
These deals were clearly different from that of Vieira and Henry. The former had a career at AC Milan similar to our own Pogba were everyone rated him there but for one reason or another he wasn't given the chance to shine. In the latter case, Lippi kept on playing Henry on the flanks which was clearly not his position.
Again, that's all with the benefit of hindsight - Henry was a winger at the time, he wasn't a striker being played out of position, he was a promising but lightweight and ineffectual winger who Wenger converted into a world class striker. Vieira was "rotting in the Inter reserves" - just like Silvestre.
Vieira barely played with AC Milan star studded CM. Silvestre played 18 times and ended up the target of all fans because he was basically their version of Cleverley. Henry forced a move from Juventus as he didn't want to stay on the bench or play as a terzino. In fact Henry himself would later say that Ancelotti wanted him to stay.
If you care to learn one thing or two about his career there read this. Calciobidoni is translated football dustbins.
http://www.calciobidoni.it/bidoni/silvestre.html
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agh! there it is again!
I wish United fans would stop repeating that media bs. Ferguson said quite clearly that Blanc was brought in to play alongside Stam but then they got an offer that they considered too good to turn down.
Blanc happened to be the first one in the door after Stam left but he wasnt his replacement. Rio was.
i know Stam was sold later, but it turned out that for one season we didn't have a replacement, so Blanc was the stand-in. don't know why you are worked up about it. i am not complaining
is it on?
It would be on if we actually made a bid. His release clause is old news, and everyone knows how Bilbao work with outgoing transfers. You either pay the release clause or you move on. Interesting to see that he'll be willing to come here though.
Sweet, I'm sure we will see a plethora of posts now undermining his credibility but apart from being a bit of a tosser he's quite reliable.
Regardless of credibility there isn't enough day left in the window to deal with Bilbao. Summer transfer.
He's not a tosser, but he's very hit and miss with his information though.
As I'd have Rojo as our best CB at the moment I'd rather have a right footed CB as it seems like LVG wants the RCB to be right footed and vice versa. But I'd be excited to have one of the worlds alledgedly biggest talents on our books.
Anybody following Bilbao this year? How is he doing?
I like that Ballague declines to mention the most pertinent part of the story; when we're going to bid.
Serious question, how good is Laporte? I haven't watched any Athetic games so I can't judge.
I am not saying we are, but how would you know if we have or have not been negotiated with Bilbao for some time already.
What is there to negotiate? Pay the release clause or don't.
I've watched some La Liga games and he has impressed me but in the Champions League in the two Porto losses he didn't play well. They lost 2-0 at home but it could have been 4 or 5 if Porto didn't miss the penalty and had better finishing. Struggled against a physical striker like Jackson Martinez.
One of the things Van Gaal said at the start of the window, he could sign someone "like that", i.e. in matter of moments. And he gave a little smirk. There's plenty of time Pexbo, we could even sign two players. I'm going to stick to two all in all (including Valdes)
And handed him the #4 shirt, straight swap for Phil Jones?
If Jones is basques then it's possible.
I don't think too many people on here would be surprised to hear that Woodward spent the window trying to negotiate for a player whose price was never, ever going to move from his release clause. We're world class at nearly doing deals. But - and I'll probably end up regretting this - for all that I think that Woodward might be the Frank Spencer of transfer negotiating execs, even he must have learned his lesson at this point. At this point in the window, unless you're going to do the deal quickly and without trying to nip off a million here or there, then just don't bother. You invite a lot of criticism for no gain whatsoever. I mean, if he hasn't learned that at this stage then I don't know what to say.
What is his release clause?
Wiki says 27.5 million euros.
Wiki says 27.5 million euros.
I realise it's an old post, but you do know we dominated the following two seasons and only went out to top notch sides in Europe
Ferguson did not need to invest heavily in the squad at that moment. It would not have sent The right message to many of his best players
Also the players he added, silvestre played against us for inter in the previous 1/4 final. And Bosnich at the time was one of the best keepers in the league. We had also invested heavily on Berg in early 99 to compensate for Johnsens injuries.
Arsenal were the ones who desperately needed better players and that is what they got. We were still far more successful then them anyway.
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€42 million, or 31 million pounds.
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