Feck me thats some statement which he has never backed up, not even close to have showed that sort of level IMO.
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Feck me thats some statement which he has never backed up, not even close to have showed that sort of level IMO.
Well that's a matter of opinion. I believe he has shown it, he just hasn't shown it for long enough due to either being injured or falling victim to a need to play Vidic and Ferdinand for their experience (or Rafael being injured and having to play right back).
Smalling is flawless at his best, and near enough unbeatable aerially or one-on-one on the deck. Could give a feck if he doesn't look like Francesco Totti on the ball. In his first season, he got a good run and was our best centre-half easily. he has had several smaller runs with similar form at centre-half since then, but the likes of Cahill are currently better by default as opposed to because he plays better than Smalling can play in my opinion.
Get out of here Chris.
if youve watched garay play for the last few seasons and at thw orld cup you would know hes been amazing. hes better than all the CBs uve listed above inlcuding laporte who's in fact no where close to garays level at the moment. vertonghen is error prone and casual though on his day hes solid but those days are few and far between. garay is superior to all these players.
Like I said I'd argue that Garay isn't any better than Laporte and Laporte has done it in a superior league to the ones Garay plays/ed in, while just turning 20. If Garay is amazing as you are describing him, why isn't he playing in a better league or for a better club for that matter? Benfica also have been the better team in Europe compared to Garay's current team. I agree that Vertonghen isn't the solution either, I didn't suggest him as a player we should go after, he just keeps getting named frequently on here.
wasnt falcao at monaco not so long ago and same with james rodriguez?? very best of players can end up at average clubs..suarez at liverpool for example. garay played in a world cup final and was a rock throught the tornument. is that not a high level? he played in two uefa cup finals and has been the stand out performer in the benfica team in the CL as well (before his move to zenit). in his time at zenit he hasnt set the world alight, but its his first few months there and he will take time to settle. but theres no doubt that hes a class above our current defenders
by that logic falcao and james rodriguezt would be avergae players as well no? an inferior league doesnt mean an inferior player. hes obv gone there because of the money. he was brilliant during thw world cup for argentina. hes not as good as a thiago silva but hes an excellent defender in his own right. laporte is a kid. he needs a lot of time to establish himself. we have plenty of young talent. we need an established name its very straight forward and i dont see how buying a 20 year old defender makes any sense.
Any who doesn't rate him is blind to me. I can probably count his errors at centre-half on one hand since he's been here.
Don't buy that argument tbh. No player joins Zenit because that's the best team they can get in to. Such move is always financially driven.
Falcao had already proven himself in a big league before going to Monaco and Rodriquez was only young. Both are different situations to Garay who is in his prime now but is still playing in a weak league.
and james rodriguez? i like how you conveniently ignored that name. falcao didnt play in the UCL with atletico so being in a big league and not playing in the biggest competition what about that? garay has the experience of playing for madrid and benfica in the UCL and argentina in the world cup finals. theres no doubt that hes a better defender than what we have available to us at the moment and for a relatively small price he is also our best option compared to buying someone like hummels.
Look at my post again, I mentioned Rodriquez. Lots of players have good World Cups and never reach the same standards at club level too. I'm not saying that would be the case with Garay but his good World Cup doesn't really mean much to me. Vlaar had a good World Cup too and I wouldn't want him here. Garay might be better than what we have currently but is he so much better that we should spend a lot of money to get him? Zenit would probably want close to £20m since they have only bought him recently.
Falcao has done it for several years in La Liga and there was interest from several clubs apart from us he could've signed for. James, following his WC performances, doesn't look to bad for Madrid either. My point would have been that those players attracted interest of better clubs in better leagues, whereas Garay didn't as it seems or he chose to go for the money, which says a lot about his ambition. Laporte's age is significant, because he'd be a typical United signing. He isn't the finished product yet, but could develop into a great centre-half with United and Laporte has already established himself at a good club despite his age.
Edit: The reason I probably don't have any problem with signing Laporte despite him being so young is because United didn't do so badly with young players in the past and neither did van Gaal. Also, I just don't see the experiecend centre-half or the leader available everyone is crying out for.
Garay was constantly linked to us, to the point it was actually ridiculous much like Sneijder. If he was or is as excellent as you are saying than there should have been some truth in the rumours and United would have signed him, since we are surely attractive enough as a club for him. United didn't go after him and that says it all really. I actually think that Garay is decent, too, don't get me wrong, I just don't see why he's suddenly supposedly so good as some are saying. Mostly it's desperation in my eyes. We had the chance of signing him in the past, if the rumours are to be believed and we didn't seize it. He's changed clubs during the summer and wouldn't be cheap, so I'd rather want United to invest a good amount of money on a very promising centre-half, who has a bright future ahead of him than some stop gap.
Which doesn't make it any less relevant considering Garay is supposedly in his prime and he rather signed for the money than to challenge himself elsewhere.
I'd personally advocate swapping out two of our current selection of perpetually-crocked centre-backs, for a massively talented youngster and an older (possibly cheaper) experienced head like Garay. Laporte would certainly fit the bill as the wonderkid candidate.
Anybody else read this guy's name as Asymmetric every time?
I just meant that it bears no indication as to how good or bad a football player he is.
That would mean spending around £50m on CB's while we would be lucky to get £20m for whichever two were to be sold. Don't see the club doing that TBH.
You can't see a club which spent £150m net this year, spending £30m net on centre-backs in the next 2 windows? I wouldn't rule it out. Anyway it wasn't a prediction, it was what I'd personally advocate.
I'd sell the three infirmary enthusiast.
I don't think our spending will be anywhere near the same as it has been, no. I don't expect any signings in January and I don't expect us to spend that much in the summer either, especially if we go ahead with the Falcao deal. We still need players in other positions too.
i dont think Zenit would ask for that much since they only spent 6 mil on him (i think). also the idea im trying to put forward is not that we should only buy garay but that we should buy an experienced CB not another young CB like Laporte. Most of the people talking abt Laporte havent watched him play. He is error rpone and still learning, we cannot afford this at the moment. we are in a defensive crisis of sorts, and we need a player who will stablizie our back line, a player who will start every game not a inexperienced 20 year old.
For me, we need two CBs and Laporte should be one of them, plus an experienced one.
PS: Garay is not top 10.
evans, smalling, jones, mcnair, blackett and rojo..where do we have room for two more CBs? We need one. An experienced CB who is available. period. Ramos, Thiago Silva, Godin, Boateng, Benatia, Kompany, Varane, Hummels, Chiellini, Garay.
Bonucci, Miranda, Pepe, Ivanovic, even Badstuber.
And we need to sell our injury prone CBs.
How does Varane end up in a list of experienced centre backs?
Would you sign Badstuber and immediately sell him?
I wouldn't touch him with a stick.
Now, i have Smalling and Evans in mind, they aren't new in the team.
bonucci is overrated, ivanovic hardly ever plays CB o its hard to judge for anyone, badstuber hasnt played enough football in the last 2 years, even before that he was average (but promising), Miranda and Pepe both are good and deserve to be there and there about in the top 10-15.
I think that's his top 10 of centre-halves.
I was rating the top 10 CBs in the world (in no particular order) and stating that Garay is amongst the top 10. IMO Varane is amongst them as well.
Does la porte translate to 'The Door' in any language? If so that's a bit of a creepy coincidence should he live up to his potential.
In french ?
Of course.If Varane and Garay are in the top 10 defenders in the world Neville was right. Defending is dying.
They are not, but Varane is close.
Who are ten better ones?
Hummels, Ramos, Miranda, Godin, Pepe, Thiago Silva, Boateng, Chiellini, Bonucci, Benatia and from there i don't now who to chose from Terry, Kompany, Ivanovic, Marquinhos, Varane, Mascherano and Garay.
Now i'm maybe wrong about one or two or more.
Because he has had 18 months of being up there with the very best CBs in la liga
Thats not a prospect. Same with Shaw, he'd proven his worth over more than a season
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