Avatar - Welcome to the future of cinema!

Finally saw it. The original scriptment was much better, story-wise. Not impressed in the least except for the portrayal of the Pandoran eco-system, which was the best expression of human imagination to grace the screen in a long time. In fact I wouldn't have minded if the rest of the film was just him walking around and encountering the flora and fauna for two more hours and ending with a videolog of him saying, "Sorry you suckers are stuck with Earth!"

Guessing that in the announced sequel the humans come back with huge motherships and Pandora spits out blue-skinned Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum.
 
If movies were judged by special effects alone, this would be a great movie. Since they're not, it's not. I was just waiting for it to end, in all honesty.

That said, I don't like sci-fi or fantasy generally, so this was always going to be a long shot for me.
 
If movies were judged by special effects alone, this would be a great movie. Since they're not, it's not. I was just waiting for it to end, in all honesty.

Yep I agree with that, looked great, lacked anything else.
And Im really confused because Im more attracted to the 9 foot blue girl than the regular actress that plays her!
I love long legs ;-)
 
Couldn't believe this piece of shit got two Golden Globes. Must've paid the Hollywood Foreign Press a boatload of money.

But we did get to see James Cameron thanking his cast in his made-up Na'vi language, so that wasn't a waste.
 
Just came bake from seeing it for the second time. Enjoyed it again.
 
So glad I've never seen Pocahauntus.

Avatar was very enjoyable. It's an experience, a bit like going to see Jurassic Park for the first time, or one of the first Pixar movies like Toy Story.

It's just good entertainment even if you can't analyse the character development and plot intricacies afterwards.
 
Couldn't believe this piece of shit got two Golden Globes. Must've paid the Hollywood Foreign Press a boatload of money.

But we did get to see James Cameron thanking his cast in his made-up Na'vi language, so that wasn't a waste.

Seriously?

It's a lot of things but definitely not a shit film. As a spectacle it's one of the best things i've seen at the cinema.
 
I've never seen a film where I've been more entertained and in awe at the same time.
From the very start where they're getting Jake out of the Cryo thing you can tell it's going to be special.
This sort of 3D wouldn't fit every film I don't think, but for futuristic sci-fi it's perfect.

I did think that some of the characters were unoriginal, but I geniunely didn't care. Anyone that doesn't witness this in IMAX 3D before it stops showing will have missed out bigtime.
 
I saw this in regular cinema 3D both times, where it was amazing. What's extra-special about the IMAX version? Is it huge?

Ah feck knows, I just meant anyone who doesn't see it in the cinema (and 3D of course) will miss out! I dunno what the IMAX is but I knows I liked it.

EDIT: Just GooWikied it (that's my new word for when you purposely Google something looking for its Wiki entry, you saw it here first) and yeah it's bigger and in a higher resolution.
 
James Cameron said this shit will be a trilogy.

James Cameron confirms Avatar trilogy plans

I managed to get a preview of the poster.

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Couldn't believe this piece of shit got two Golden Globes. Must've paid the Hollywood Foreign Press a boatload of money.

But we did get to see James Cameron thanking his cast in his made-up Na'vi language, so that wasn't a waste.

Seriously?

It's a lot of things but definitely not a shit film. As a spectacle it's one of the best things i've seen at the cinema.

It's very close to being a shit film in terms of everything but visuals. Terrible acting, unnecessary voice-over, shoe-horned plot elements, James "I know four notes" Horner, and worst of all, missed storytelling opportunities scattered throughout the film like crazy. Looking forward to seeing the version with an extra forty minutes.
 
I saw this in regular cinema 3D both times, where it was amazing. What's extra-special about the IMAX version? Is it huge?

Massive screen with higher resolution and better audio. 3D IMAX is the way to go for a film like this.

Its time for George Lucas to wake up and make the remaining three Star Wars films with 3D technology.
 
Massive screen with higher resolution and better audio. 3D IMAX is the way to go for a film like this.

Its time for George Lucas to wake up and make the remaining three Star Wars films with 3D technology.

That would put the final nail in the coffin for Star Wars. But if he got someone else to direct, who knows?
 
I don't think there are three more Star Wars films, 6 is all. Its all going to be TV shows now.
 
That would put the final nail in the coffin for Star Wars. But if he got someone else to direct, who knows?

Can't see Lucas relinquishing Directing duties to anyone, except perhaps his pal Spielberg. I truly hope he makes the final three films before he gets too old.
 
Damn there are alot of movie snobs on here :wenger:

I'd hate to be that bitter or be a complete nitpicking nutjob like that to destroy what is a great movie experience.

Noticed the flaws, but it was one of the best cinema experiences for me ever. All in all a great movie for me on the basis that I enjoyed it far more than any of those so-called 'intelligent' films.
 
Ok, so what I didn't get was...

...if the Na'vi knew from the beginning that the avatars weren't really Na'vi and knew that they were "dreamwalkers" the same as the people from the sky...why'd they bother? Why didn't the humans save themselves six years of research and millions of dollars and just go have a word with these people? Surely they could've come to some sort of a deal after six years? Also, if the Na'vi knew Jake Sully was a spy, why'd they let him in their camp and teach him everything about their society?

Weird.
 
Ok, so what I didn't get was...

...if the Na'vi knew from the beginning that the avatars weren't really Na'vi and knew that they were "dreamwalkers" the same as the people from the sky...why'd they bother? Why didn't the humans save themselves six years of research and millions of dollars and just go have a word with these people? Surely they could've come to some sort of a deal after six years? Also, if the Na'vi knew Jake Sully was a spy, why'd they let him in their camp and teach him everything about their society?

Weird.

They didn't know he was a spy, hence Netyiri's outrage at when he confesses that he was: "You knew this was going to happen!?!?"

This is where the scriptment was better. It focuses more on the Avatar project's interaction with the Na'vi and only shows brief glimpses of the military plot through characters a la Max (bearded science guy) and Trudy (scorpion pilot) who keep Jake and Norm and Grace (who in the scriptment has a long-time Na'vi mate) updated, slowly building the suspense until the final attack comes. But Jake and Grace are so caught up in the bustle of Na'vi daily life, and we along with them get lulled into that violent but idyllic existence until the humans finally up the ante. In that sense, it's the anti-filmed version, with us spending more time in the trees and less time on the base. It shows how even Grace is blind to the military op (and maybe just a bit too caught up in Na'vi life and her science) and Jake's rise through the Na'vi ranks is much more natural as he keeps proving himself through several trials. To answer your initial question, in the original story it's made much clearer that the entire Na'vi race are unanimously against giving the Avatars any more chances, but that Netyiri's mother, who is the spiritual guide for that particular clan, decides that Jake will be the last one they will try to show their ways.

Not only that but the whole horrible exposition on Unobtanium (Selfridge explaining the source of funding of Grace's project to her? Like she doesn't know after six minutes, let alone six years?!) is handled miles better. Also a relationship between Earth (drab, gray and dying) and Pandora is established through A. a media crew sent by a newscorp that makes tons of money off the imagery and B. an eco-watchdog (heavily on the take) that a guilty-conscience-ridden human race has attached to the Pandora project.

So Selfridge, instead of having a miraculous change of heart and mind-bogglingly agreeing to send multi-million dollar Avatars into a soon-to-be inferno area, is actually blackmailed by the eco-officer and the media crew into giving the Avatars a chance to warn the Na'vi about the final attack. Faced with a choice between letting Quaritch go through with the attack and the eco/news people getting the truth about Pandora back to Earth, he opts for a slippery compromise.

The scriptment is much more tightly woven in terms of character interaction/motivation, and it also has infinitely better action sequences (Titanothere hunt - think buffalo hunt, except with massive herds of those giant hammerhead rhinos); the Thanator (Netyiri's mount at the end) rampage is much bigger and much more menacing, and the final battle in general is much more involved and character-driven (meaningful deaths, sacrifices to save others etc, as opposed to Tsu Tse getting gunned down and Trudy's throwaway heroism) compared to the filmed version. I don't see why they deviated from it so much.
 
I didn't really get this film. Visually it was impressive in 3D, but the actual film was just predictable and boring. I felt like I'd already seen it several times.

Also, this:

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So essentially we should all thank James Cameron for showing what could be done with the 3D technology, and now we should wait until someone with a bit of imagination uses it to make a good movie.
 
So essentially we should all thank James Cameron for showing what could be done with the 3D technology, and now we should wait until someone with a bit of imagination uses it to make a good movie.

I have been looking for those exact words for 2 months. You're right.
 
Just got back from watching it again, this time in 3D...basically, it's Wow to the max for the first 20 minutes or so, maybe even 45, then by the time you've taken in just how amazing they've made it all look and feel, it starts to hit home just how mind numbingly boring the film actually is. Especially if you've seen it before, and you actually just forget you're even watching it in 3D.

Basically I started off thinking "well I should never have made any assumptions about this untill I'd seen it in IMAX 3D...this is gonna be great, woooo!!"...and ended by thinking "for fecks sake can you all die please my arse hurts and I don't give a shit about any of you." I'm actually slightly less impressed with it after seeing it in IMAX, just cos it's so obvious how crushingly formulaic it is when you've already seen it......Lovely FX though. But it gets a little dull and samey after a while. Gimme Jurassic Park in 3D any day
 
Yes, you're right, the world of Pandora is entirely lacking in any sort of imagination.

Is that meant as sarcasm, or not?...I can't tell in text you see, which is annoying

It was though, it was the same alien forest thing we've seen in countless other films, with the same alien creatures we've seen in countless other films and with little or no iconic framing or memorable cinematic moments. Take Jurassic Park for example as I mentioned it earlier...where's the T-rex foot coming down in the middle of the shot with the two characters in the background moment? Or the water shaking? Or the Raptor breathing on the glass? or anything of that kind of imagination?...Bright colours, silly creatures and things that glow is fairly imaginative, but not as imaginative as things like that, which are iconic, and born of making the best out of something very simple, not just throwing lots of sparkley shit on the screen and going "Ooooooo"...It's just a big computer game filmed like a big computer game. It looks imaginative, but it isn't really, not on the level of other, less expensive, less 3D films. I got extremely bored of Pandora after 45 minutes
 
You went to see it again? I don't know if I'd ever bother with it again. As much as I enjoyed the experience at the time, it was really long, and the story isn't strong enough to keep my interest for that time. I felt the same way about Peter Jackson's King Kong movie. Enjoyed it at the time, couldn't be bothered to go through it again.
 
You went to see it again? I don't know if I'd ever bother with it again. As much as I enjoyed the experience at the time, it was really long, and the story isn't strong enough to keep my interest for that time. I felt the same way about Peter Jackson's King Kong movie. Enjoyed it at the time, couldn't be bothered to go through it again.

Similar type thing yeah. Thing is I didn't watch it in 3D the first time and my mate had already bought the tickets so I thought, yeah I'll give it a go. If it is supposed to be this big cinematic watershed, I'd like to see it as it was intended to be seen.

But I was actually less impressed because it gets incredibly dull once you're passed the wow factor. And if you've already seen it, the wow factor recedes drastically. Which doesn't speak a lot for the film unfortunately. If you can watch a film like La Haine, or The Lives of Others, made on the cheap, several times without getting bored, but not sit through a £350m 3D extravaganza twice without thinking "fecking hell I'm uncomfortable in this seat" then you know they haven't made the most of the money.
 
I hope not....But who knows. The Oscars is ridiculous anyway, it's all promotion and Page Ranking whoring...the best films rarely win. It's all "who deserves it"..which isn't fair competition at all. I'm surprised its still taken so seriously
 
I'm with Mockney. I got bored with it first time around, as soon as the wow factor wore off.

I ususally enjoy crappy popcorn flicks, even without the 3D, but this was just so unoriginal and uninspiring, I literally knew the entire film before I'd seen it, and couldn't give a shit what was going to happen next.

It wasn't as bad as Transformers, mind.
 
Do you reckon it'll end up winning Best film or director at the Oscars?

I really enjoyed Avatar. But this does nto deserve a best film Oscar

I hope not....But who knows. The Oscars is ridiculous anyway, it's all promotion and Page Ranking whoring...the best films rarely win. It's all "who deserves it"..which isn't fair competition at all. I'm surprised its still taken so seriously

I think in recent years the Oscars have gotten a bit of credibility back. Slumdog and The Wrestler both low budget movies were up last year (both well deserved) and the previous year was There Will be Blood won it which IMO was deserved.
 
Slumdog winning basically every award possible did not give the Oscars any credibility back. It was a deliberate attempt to make it seems like they were rooting for the "small guy" again. The whole thing's a farce and has been for a while.

And tell me Heath Ledger would have won Best Supporting Actor if he'd not killed himself. No way in feck.
 
I really enjoyed Avatar. But this does nto deserve a best film Oscar

I'm not saying it deserves it, I think if it did win it would the lowest quality film to win since Crash. But I wouldn't be surprised if it did get nominated and win, considering all the hype. I think Cameron's nailed on for Best Director, considering all the hoohaa over the innovative visuals.