Smith talking shite? That never happensSmith being sour about the KG decision being overturned yet he was just saying last week that it's sad KG won't play, best players and all that jazz
Just upholding traditions.
Australia Tour of South Africa 2018/Ball tampering
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Yeah it's hard to believe this is the first time they decided to do something like this.
Oz cricket team cheating ... SHOCKED!
Next you'll be telling me the designers of the Titanic overstated its safety.
Whats the steepest possible sanction here? Aren't they just going to receive a few demerit points?
Onus on Cricket Australia to rein them in. Not sure if it will happen though.
Seen the press conference on SSN - “The leadership group” - wtf is that?!
Also they seemed very calm about the whole thing. Bet this has happened before & would probably have happened again had the cameras not caught him. cnuts.
Also they seemed very calm about the whole thing. Bet this has happened before & would probably have happened again had the cameras not caught him. cnuts.
That's a very guilt ridden statement. Shame.
I liked Smith before this incident. Came across quite well.
I liked Smith before this incident. Came across quite well.
Obviously. If you're willing to cheat the first time and you don't get caught most would do it again. The regret is over getting caught.
I’m not against being creative with the rules to get an edge, but this is overstepping it a bit lol
‘The Leadership Group’
Honestly Lehmann should be punished most
‘The Leadership Group’
Honestly Lehmann should be punished most
Hats off to the broadcasters.. Once they suspected what Bancroft was up to,maintained the camera on him,lehmann and all the 12th man to catch the rest of the fall out!!
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Wonder what Lehmann said into the walkie-talkie
‘Launch Operation Sandpaper’
‘Launch Operation Sandpaper’
Quite enjoying the Australians tying themselves in knots over how the game of cricket should played. I mean it's incredible to hear Darren Lehmann define where the line is considering his history. The ball tampering stuff is the icing on the cake, so brazen and most definitely not the first time they have done it because it's such a precise method. Guilt was etched all over Smith and Bancroft when they were talking to the umpires .
What I will never understand about Australia is why they play so confrontationally and why they are always willing to push and bend the boundaries of the game in order to win. They have and have always had incredible players and I do not believe for one second that if they approached the game any differently that their ability to be good at cricket would diminish but I am convinced Australia do feel that and it results in the nonsense we have seen from them this past winter (and basically forever).
There's a wider discussion to be had on ball tampering and what the boundaries truly are (i.e. throwing the ball on the bounce/bowling on one side of the ball etc) and if there should be a newer ball earlier (after 60 overs) to stop teams having to resort to the nonsense we see from them with sun lotion, cough sweets, tape and the rest. However that can wait for now.
.What I will never understand about Australia is why they play so confrontationally and why they are always willing to push and bend the boundaries of the game in order to win. They have and have always had incredible players and I do not believe for one second that if they approached the game any differently that their ability to be good at cricket would diminish but I am convinced Australia do feel that and it results in the nonsense we have seen from them this past winter (and basically forever).
There's a wider discussion to be had on ball tampering and what the boundaries truly are (i.e. throwing the ball on the bounce/bowling on one side of the ball etc) and if there should be a newer ball earlier (after 60 overs) to stop teams having to resort to the nonsense we see from them with sun lotion, cough sweets, tape and the rest. However that can wait for now
.I just think it’s part of their culture - doing whatever it takes to win. I think once you start being soft on your own culture (even if you have the most talented squad of players), that’d be the start of the downfall.Quite enjoying the Australians tying themselves in knots over how the game of cricket should played. I mean it's incredible to hear Darren Lehmann define where the line is considering his history. The ball tampering stuff is the icing on the cake, so brazen and most definitely not the first time they have done it because it's such a precise method. Guilt was etched all over Smith and Bancroft when they were talking to the umpires
What I will never understand about Australia is why they play so confrontationally and why they are always willing to push and bend the boundaries of the game in order to win. They have and have always had incredible players and I do not believe for one second that if they approached the game any differently that their ability to be good at cricket would diminish but I am convinced Australia do feel that and it results in the nonsense we have seen from them this past winter (and basically forever).
There's a wider discussion to be had on ball tampering and what the boundaries truly are (i.e. throwing the ball on the bounce/bowling on one side of the ball etc) and if there should be a newer ball earlier (after 60 overs) to stop teams having to resort to the nonsense we see from them with sun lotion, cough sweets, tape and the rest. However that can wait for now
They dont seem to be laughing as much as their last press conference together.
Nah. It's gotta be 'Launch Operation Abort Sandpaper'.
As I said in my post I feel that's nonsense. All the hours these guys have put in to make it to the highest level and being a prat is the 1% that's going to make the difference?
Also the 'leadership' group getting the most inexperienced member to do their bidding for them just stinks.
I think it’s more than 1% and I honestly think that is what can make the difference at that level.
Dropped catches and lapses in concentration when batting are going to be worth far more than any method Australia choose to push the boundaries of the game. If they caught Elgar in the first innings and Markram in the second innings they don't have to resort to ball tampering.
Haha Aussie morons.
Wonder what the ban will be, it's the first time I've ever seen a whole team blatantly admit to organized ball tampering, rather than someone on his own. Unprecedented
Afridi was banned for two T20's when he was caught biting the ball, and another time he was banned for one test match and two ODI's for pitch tampering. Hope a similar fate goes to Smith and Bancroft.
Wonder what the ban will be, it's the first time I've ever seen a whole team blatantly admit to organized ball tampering, rather than someone on his own. Unprecedented
Afridi was banned for two T20's when he was caught biting the ball, and another time he was banned for one test match and two ODI's for pitch tampering. Hope a similar fate goes to Smith and Bancroft.
Bloody disgrace. It seems most of the team were in on it too.
Smith should step down and those involved bans as appropriate.
Smith should step down and those involved bans as appropriate.
Cricket has to have the biggest collection of cnuts to be honest. You think it’s just the Aussies that have a bad rep? It’s the culture of the sport and the fact that you literally play all day. People talk. There’s no time to sledge in a game of football. I genuinely think that’s the difference, in my playing experience anyway.
The Australian culture to win that you spoke of is no different from many other country’s competitive drives. It’s a shameful episode in Australian cricket, but it’s an isolated incident. All sorts of conspiracy theorists in here claiming it happens all the time - the cameras are everywhere, they’d have been caught. Rip into Aus for this moronic episode but I can’t see how you can claim the Aus test side is in any way different from all of the other top sides who play in the same confrontational (yet fair... which is the Aussie norm) way.
The Australian team draws the ire of everyone because no one can stand their pontificating about how the game should be played.
Everything with how teams behave now is a direct response to the attitude instigated by the Australian team of the mid to late 90s. I feel now is the point where a line needs to drawn before it goes too far, because it will go too far.
And the way Bancroft got caught is hard to pick up, it was only when he was dropping shit into his pants did it all come together. The sleight of hand with the tape on the hand and him shining the ball was very hard to pick up. Doesn't look very isolated from the images above either.
Everyone should play the game like New Zealand do, who manage to be an excellent side without being a bunch of pricks very easily.
This is a fair point. I don't disagree with what you've said about Aus, but the fact that the same attitudes are present in other teams suggest it has more to do with the culture of the sport than it does the nation of Australia.
This is a tough time for the sport in general and I think cricket needs a strong ICC to hold the game together right now or all shit is about to break loose. Fact is that 2 of the best teams in the world have played a series in which cricket has taken a backseat and all sorts of other controversies are taking the limelight and this seems to be happening far too often
Sheer delusion to think that all teams are like this. Everyone in sport knows that the Australian cricket team are a special collection of pricks.
This Australian cricket side is the most unlikeable sports team I can remember watching. If cricket is played by a collection of cnuts. These aussies are the undisputed champions
Be surprised if Smith survives this.
Plenty in Australia are livid, from what I've seen.
Plenty in Australia are livid, from what I've seen.
This might be controversial but I do have some sympathy for Bancroft in all this.
This was definitely a plan hatched from the very top including management imo. He was simply chosen to be the fall guy because of his relative inexperience. Smith says that the leadership group all agreed to do this. Why didn't one of them lead by example and personally do the honours?
I would give Smith a longer ban honestly.
This was definitely a plan hatched from the very top including management imo. He was simply chosen to be the fall guy because of his relative inexperience. Smith says that the leadership group all agreed to do this. Why didn't one of them lead by example and personally do the honours?
I would give Smith a longer ban honestly.
Surely all of the 'Leadership Team' need to be suspended as they all knew it was going to happen?
Smith's going to get sacked as Captain. Just read the Australian government have called for him to be removed.
He should get a lengthy ban, yes.
Agree with this. Horrible thing for a captain to ask a player to do
Surely the only reason Smith is suggesting he can stay as captain is that he's very aware that the moment he admits he cannot the conversation is then largely about how long he should be banned for.
With each day he can hang on the more it looks like a serious punishment when he's sacked and the less push there is to punish him further.
With each day he can hang on the more it looks like a serious punishment when he's sacked and the less push there is to punish him further.
This is getting really overblown I feel. I've no doubt all teams engage in ball tampering what with the rules being so vague and ripe for exploitation. Player don't just put on copious amount of sunscreen for protection against the sun. Finger nails are and will continue to be used for ball tampering. It's really not very hard hide this stuff from the umpires if you're clever enough. Most teams are just a lot more subtle with it than the Aussies were.
ICC should just make certain types of ball tampering legal so it's all out in the open and players don't have to resort to hidden sand papers.
ICC should just make certain types of ball tampering legal so it's all out in the open and players don't have to resort to hidden sand papers.