Aurelien Tchouameni / Signs for Madrid
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If we can actually get him for 60m and he's willing then it's a no brainer. Should be absolute #1 priority if he wants to come and at a price that isn't stupid like 100m. Even if we sacrifice other positions, getting Tchouameni in would FINALLY have us set in midfield to not be a joke defensively in there.
Yeah I call bullshit , he is a great player though, or at least has great potential, would like seeing him here.
He looks a brilliant talent. Seems to be someone who can play both holding CM and as a box to box. Him and a playmaker type midfielder would be some combo.
But would wait till more on this one before getting excited. He'll probably have offers from CL clubs too.
But would wait till more on this one before getting excited. He'll probably have offers from CL clubs too.
Don't discount us like that?!
Very talented player, I'd bloody love it if we managed to get him, but I can't currently see it, unless we by some miracle sneak 4th.
I think Kamara and Sangaré are decent options so maybe it wouldn’t be a complete disaster although he’s clearly the preferred target.
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To be fair they would do a similar job for a lower fee so it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we got those instead.
But if we truly have aspirations for league titles again we need potential best in class for these positions.
Definitely, that doesn’t always mean getting the best player out there for every position though. Man City and Liverpool almost never did that. For once we too might actually have a manager able to make more out of the parts he’s given.
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I really think this is one of those positions you need a world class player in or one to develop. Fabinho, Rodri and Casemiro were all very highly rated younger players before moving to top clubs and it’s enabled their respective clubs to play a much better attacking game safe in the confidence of having a top screener.
For what it’s worth I think most DMs would improve us but I don’t want to see us spend money on a sub par player only to need to replace them in a year or two.
A question to those that follow the french league have seen Tchouameni play regularly; what's his best position, as a DM or as a CM? From reading about him my impression is that he's perhaps best in the #8 role, is that correct? If his best role is as a #8 I would imagine (hope) that that's the role we would bring him in to play, and that we don't buy a player for 50 mill to shohorn and play him in a less suitable/optimal role.
We're in desperat need of at least one DM this summer, and if we buy Tchouameni for the #8 role, what about getting Boubacar Kamara on a free for the DM-role? What's the verdict of him from those who have seen him play a few times? From the litte I've seen Kamara looks very promising, and as a natural DM with passing range, physicality, and defensive strenghts he seems like a very sensible transfer for a position we are desperate to fill.
Admittedly I've only seen their stats and scouting videos/YouTube clips so would be awesome to get some feedback on them in here.
A midfield three of Kamara (#6), Tchouameni (#8) and Bruno (#10), would it work? Their back-ups being McT, Fred and DvdB.
We're in desperat need of at least one DM this summer, and if we buy Tchouameni for the #8 role, what about getting Boubacar Kamara on a free for the DM-role? What's the verdict of him from those who have seen him play a few times? From the litte I've seen Kamara looks very promising, and as a natural DM with passing range, physicality, and defensive strenghts he seems like a very sensible transfer for a position we are desperate to fill.
Admittedly I've only seen their stats and scouting videos/YouTube clips so would be awesome to get some feedback on them in here.
A midfield three of Kamara (#6), Tchouameni (#8) and Bruno (#10), would it work? Their back-ups being McT, Fred and DvdB.
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The answer to that is it really depends on the personnel around him. I can’t comment on Kamara but I’ve watched enough of Tchouameni now to believe I understand his role and game well enough to comment.
He’s got all the attributes of a top mobile DM and a very good progressive passer given his role for AS this season. Monaco don’t have the best forward options around in terms of easy passes into the attacking third yet Tchouameni regularly finds them with a ground pass that breaks a line.
What he is brilliant at is taking up the space and blocking clear routes to the centre of the pitch. This could be through an interception or a running challenge and he’s got the strength to win most battles whether the ball is on the floor or an aerial battle (and anything in between). He covers the ground really well and so would be really well suited as that anchor point of a midfield that wants to be high energy and pressing.
He’s a decent ball carrier but I wouldn’t say it’s a strength of his relative to what others can do and creatively I don’t think he’s up there with someone like Pogba so I actually think how he is now he’d be better off focussing on being a DM for the PL rather than a box to box midfielder. That being said in a high pressing system with a DM behind him he can be a pressing and ball winning machine so it really depends on what the rest of the side offers.
So you could have:
Kamara
Fernandes Tchouameni
Fernandes Tchouameni
Or
Tchouameni
Fernandes Fred
He’s absolutely got the ability to do either but I think long term for United you bring him in as a DM then look to replace Fred with Bellingham. I’m dreaming here though.
One thing I would say is I’d 100% trust Ten Hag to find the best position for him.
The club needs to try and put up a fight and not just roll over and let him go to Madrid.
Looks good.
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To be fair I don’t mind giving VDB another chance in that kind of midfield.
Thanks for the informative reply, appreciated.
I take from it that in your view he would be better suited as a DM in the Premier League to start with, though also suited for CM (in a Kante-ish role), correct me if I interpret you wrong here.
I do hope we go for him and Kamara. From what I've gathered they are different style of players and could work together i midfield 3 or even in a 2. I do believe that we need at least 1 quality DM and if we could get 2 DMs and one of them could also be an upgrade on the CM I'll hope that the midfield could be sorted out for a few seasons with the younger ones also coming through.
A better DM could also be the lifeline that DvdB needs along with his new compatriot manager.
I’ve always wanted us to sign Rice but if Tchouameni is gettable for €60-€70 million which is £50-£57 million then it’s a no brainer, to get in both Tchouameni and Kamara for half of what Rice would cost would be unreal business for us.
Good post. But would either of those midfields combinations you've suggested have enough creativity? We have a problem breaking down defenses. Though the improved coaching from Ten Hag will address that.
I would guess that a lack of creativity could be an issue, but a better system, tactics, pressing and coaching under Ten Hag could perhaps adress that as you say.
However different matches calls for different approaches; against a "lesser" team than us we could for example line up with Tchouameni/Kamara - DvdB/Fred - Bruno which in sum will provide enough creativity from midfield, while against a better team we could play for example Kamara -Tchouameni - Bruno/DvdB/Fred.
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Part of the solution to this is an effective high press. Look at the Elanga pressing goal for Ronaldo. You can create from a quick transition in dangerous pressing areas as much as anything else.
That's some expectation for such an inexperienced player.
He's a full international. Played in the CL. How much more do you need?
I don't think he played in the CL, but yes he played with senior French NT, and played plenty of games in League 1 since , he is only 22, so it's not an issue for him to be considered relatively "inexperienced" due to his young age, but yes, he is tried and tested in the senior level game and he is definitely a big talent and his potential is huge.
It's not that simple. He's an elite talent who'll have his pick of top clubs, if we're not in the CL it will be difficult to entice him here.
Put up a fight!
Does that mean offer him ridiculous money?
No it means convince him of the project and offer him a good package too (not ridiculous)
Of course it does. There's just better projects out there that could use his talents. Some people mentioned he was a United fan, so maybe that will help but I think those things get way overstated and have pretty much little to no impact.
And you don't think we would be doing that from the outset???
Where have I said that?
Then what does Put up a fight mean then?
Exactly what I already said
Pointless
Never seen him play but it looks like an aggressive ball winner, which is good. I still think we need a DLP in addition to a ball winner. We need someone to keep the team ticking/direct tempo.
Im not the one who said the club need to do that. So its pointless you addressing the wrong poster
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No. This is United. Have you not seen the last ten years? We’ve had no ‘project’ to sell, just extortionate wages.
Let’s hope that changes this summer after a new manager is confirmed and he’s outlined his plans .
No it actually is that simple....you offer monaco want they want for him and see if you can agree wages and then let him decide as we know this will be a multiple bidding war for this kid
but you can't get in the game if you aren't willing to pay the money for his transfer
I honestly think Bissouma is better than him, although Tchouameni is clearly quality too. I hope we are keeping an eye on Bissouma’s situation because he will be a star somewhere, and already settled in England. He’s also not being chased by Real Madrid and PSG.
And no, I don’t need the speech about his legal issues please.
And no, I don’t need the speech about his legal issues please.
After the Greenwood situation, there is no chance we make a move for Bissouma
Bissouma is a good player but he wasn't a comparable talent to Tchouameni in France ( Lille) and neither is he a better player than Tchouameni whilst being over 3 years older, currently.
But Bissouma does play in a better coached team, currently.
But Bissouma does play in a better coached team, currently.
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