Aurelien Tchouameni / Signs for Madrid

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A bit on Tchouameni:

People might think he's like Pogba stylistically but that's not the case. He's a lot closer to a Kante(although still different). He's a bit similar to Pogba in his natural physical build, that's about it.

His statistics are extremely impressive defensively. He's in the top 1 or 2 percentile in a lot of such stats for midfielders in Europe.

Some of the stats he's very high in are "aggressive pressing", balls won after he initiated the press, balls won in opponent's final 30m, etc.

His offensive/passing statistics are good, especially for a Defensive Mid. but as of now, by no means, is he a box to box player. Even though he's good on the ball he's not a dribbler like a Camavinga is.

He's gifted though but his technical skills peak at his passing range: a very neat and efficient passer. He'll improve even further in terms of key passes with experience, but he often tries to break atleast one defensive line with his passing; he's pretty progressive passer and not just a player who plays it safe with short, sideways passing like Harry Winks is.

It's very impressive how fast he fitted into the France National team already. Another thing about him is that he's very clever. Much sharper and mature than your average Footballer. Read this recently:

Some of the most interesting French Football analysts released a book like 6 months back on "How to win a Football game?", where they talked to various professionals about the different methods they use to make sure they're better than their opponents. It's not based on broad technical points but rather the little details people tend to not talk about. The details which give you an edge over opponents of a similar level and how to generally keep improving as much as possible. The book has interviews with nutritionists, video analysts, physical and mental coaches and so on, all working for top division teams. One of the authors said that they interviewed Tchouameni for the book because he has his own data and video analysts who help him before every game to counter the strengths and games of the players he's gonna be up against. Club Analysts from Monaco normally paint a broad picture of how to outplay the opponents, how to work as a team, the systems, which passing circuits to prefer, etc. But Tchouameni's personal analysts will focus on every player of the other team and how to counter them and take advantage of their weaknesses like "This Right Back always tends to use a short dribble towards his left when he's pressed in his own half" (that type of thing but way more detailed and adapted to Tchouameni's game). Apparently, he has his own notebook and data records collected on all players, basically like the coaches do; except this is a 22 year old youngster.

This is how he's such a beast at winning the ball back and passing the ball and is constantly improving his game. Ofcourse, physically and technically he's top notch but it's his Footballing brain which sets him apart. He knows exactly when and how to press which player. He reads the game very well for his age.


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Think missing out on the CL will really hurt our chances of getting this level of player. Has really been a grim season, all things considered
 
He’s top class. He’s also Real or PSG bound unfortunately.
This is where we try our best to get pogba to go to madrid so madrid is no longer an option for this talented lad. That then leaves PSG. Lets face it, does he really want to bust a gut and do the donkey work for messi, neymar and mbappe?
 
This is where we try our best to get pogba to go to madrid so madrid is no longer an option for this talented lad. That then leaves PSG. Lets face it, does he really want to bust a gut and do the donkey work for messi, neymar and mbappe?

How exactly do we do that?
 
This reminds me of when people on hear were going crazy about Camavinga, who, whilst a good young player, isn't worth going crazy about.

Tchouameni, to me, isn't a holding midfielder. If we were to get him, I'd imagine we'd play him as an 8, which would be a pointless signing because he, in my opinion, isn't a ten Hag number 8.
 
This reminds me of when people on hear were going crazy about Camavinga, who, whilst a good young player, isn't worth going crazy about.

Tchouameni, to me, isn't a holding midfielder. If we were to get him, I'd imagine we'd play him as an 8, which would be a pointless signing because he, in my opinion, isn't a ten Hag number 8.
Well apparently Ten Hag wants him so I think he would have a better impression than you no?

Camavinga is also a good player
 
This reminds me of when people on hear were going crazy about Camavinga, who, whilst a good young player, isn't worth going crazy about.

Tchouameni, to me, isn't a holding midfielder. If we were to get him, I'd imagine we'd play him as an 8, which would be a pointless signing because he, in my opinion, isn't a ten Hag number 8.

The latest reports linking us to him are suggesting it’s because of Ten Hag’s admiration for the player and wants him as part of his midfield at Utd.
 
Well apparently Ten Hag wants him so I think he would have a better impression than you no?

Camavinga is also a good player

I hope so dude, otherwise we're screwed.

Any information on where he would play him?

Also, would love you to share the source. Cheers.
 
Got a feeling Madrid will sneak in and get this one just like they did with camavinga. They’ve got an ageing squad so will be looking at younger players.
 
Got a feeling Madrid will sneak in and get this one just like they did with camavinga. They’ve got an ageing squad so will be looking at younger players.
Pretty much
 
Its in this thread already

Came in here only to be greeted with a picture of Phil Mitchell.

I have found it now, but it would have helped if you could have provided a source to back up what you said. Either way, as you said, ten Hag knows more than me, so if he is interested, then fair enough.

I personally wouldn't wouldn't want a "versatile" midfielder. We have enough of those and not enough specialists. We need a specialist holding midfielder which Tchoumeni is not, and a box to box midfielder, who is good at going forward. Again, he wouldn't be on the top of my list for that either.
 
Came in here only to be greeted with a picture of Phil Mitchell.

I have found it now, but it would have helped if you could have provided a source to back up what you said. Either way, as you said, ten Hag knows more than me, so if he is interested, then fair enough.

I personally wouldn't wouldn't want a "versatile" midfielder. We have enough of those and not enough specialists. We need a specialist holding midfielder which Tchoumeni is not, and a box to box midfielder, who is good at going forward. Again, he wouldn't be on the top of my list for that either.
Ten Hag is not that rigid and is known to work the tactics around the players he has. There isn’t really such a thing as “this player is not a Ten Hag 8”. He has played with many different types of midfielders. So maybe it is you who should have backed up what you said with sources.
 
Got a feeling Madrid will sneak in and get this one just like they did with camavinga. They’ve got an ageing squad so will be looking at younger players.

Probably, but he supposedly expressed his desire to play in the PL. So maybe Chelsea will snap him before us, leaving us with a free run on 90 million Rice transfer.
 
Probably, but he supposedly expressed his desire to play in the PL. So maybe Chelsea will snap him before us, leaving us with a free run on 90 million Rice transfer.
Hopefully Chelsea go for Rice
 
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I agree with you mate. Tchouameni is getting wonder stats where he is tackling players regularly on the opposite goal posts to his own.

It feels like it would hold him back to play him in a deep position and tell him to just sit, cover and defend his defenders.

It's why I'd love to temporarily have him as our replacement for Pogba for this year; see if Garner can take over the deep lying playmaker role for us and eventually let Tchouameni take over Fred in our squad if those two don't work together or something by letting Fred go.

I see him more as a player that needs to be in the oppositions face than exactly staying in deep positions.

Ten hag has used players like De Jong and Alvarez as CDM's and they have been very deep players almost in line with the CB'S until they bring the ball out.

I'm not sure if that's how Tchouaméni should be utelised and I've not see Ten Hag use a CDM that is always all around the pitch because it does effect things like positioning and possesion of a team.

Let's see. I'd love to have him as our defensive minded CM more so than Fred or Mctominay.
 
Rice would fetch over 100m if they sell him.

If West Ham win the EL and get into the CL, I imagine he wouldn't be in a hurry to leave yet. He can fulfil his dream of playing CL football while showing loyalty and bringing his eventual price down at the same time by staying an extra season.
 
Erik ten Hag turned a more attacking player like Lasse Schone into a defensively more disciplined midfielder next to Frenkie de Jong.

And it seems people know very little of Tchouameni if they think he can't play the holding role. He could comfortably play the holding role, as well as be deployed as the more adventurous #8. But you don't utilise Tchouameni as the most defensive midfielder when you also have midfielders like Matazo and Fofana. It's just common sense, and the composition of the midfield has to be understood.

Julien Laurens in the video below states that ten Hag is a big admirer and Tchouameni can be utilised as both a #8 like Gravenberch, or a #6.

 
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This is where we try our best to get pogba to go to madrid so madrid is no longer an option for this talented lad. That then leaves PSG. Lets face it, does he really want to bust a gut and do the donkey work for messi, neymar and mbappe?
Probably a bit more so than he would for CR7, Rashy/Elanga, and Sancho, although I doubt Mbappe would be there by then which might tip the scales if PSG have any kind of advantage, which I don't think they do.
 
Erik ten Hag turned a more attacking player like Lasse Schone into a defensively more disciplined midfielder next to Frenkie de Jong.

And it seems people know very little of Tchouameni if they think he can't play the holding role. He could comfortably play the holding role, as well as be deployed as the more adventurous #8. But you don't utilise Tchouameni as the most defensive midfielder when you also have midfielders like Matazo and Fofana. It's just common sense, and the composition of the midfield has to be understood.

Julien Laurens in the video below states that ten Hag is a big admirer and Tchouameni can be utilised as both a #8 like Gravenberch, or a #6.


Agreed there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why he is deployed he’s absolutely 100% capable of performing at DM at an incredibly high level for his age.

It’s in my opinion ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
 
This guy looks the real deal.

Lucky the club that manages to sign him.
 
He’s a big Pogba fan/friend. I hope the toxicity around Pogba doesn’t make him rule out a move here
 
Agreed there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why he is deployed he’s absolutely 100% capable of performing at DM at an incredibly high level for his age.

It’s in my opinion ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
Signing this guy will be a game changer imo. He's an absolute power house in midfield that has the ability to completely dominate on the ground and in the air. He would provide that platform in defensive transition that would allow us to commit bodies forward in a compact high block, whilst he dominates against opposition counters. He's also composed on the ball.
 
Agreed there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how and why he is deployed he’s absolutely 100% capable of performing at DM at an incredibly high level for his age.

It’s in my opinion ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

For me, he just looks too good at going after the ball to have him shielding.

A bit like Kante in a way - I've personally always thought Kante looked better next to a player who doesn't go venturing up the pitch. The partnership with him and Matic at Chelsea was great because N'Golo had some kind of defensive free role to just attack the ball, knowing he could commit beyond his position, because there was a sitter to cover.

I'm sure Tchouameni can sit in front of the defence if you want him too, but I think his full potential would be best served next to a Carrick-type midfielder - calm, usually behind the play, offering an anchor, etc.

You may well have seen him in action more than me - does that seem about right to you, or do you see him developing more as a passing lane closer than a box to box battler?
 
When it's a talented youngster like this that makes total sense for us to get it's always Madrid or some other team poaching them so I've already given up.
 
This is where we try our best to get pogba to go to madrid so madrid is no longer an option for this talented lad. That then leaves PSG. Lets face it, does he really want to bust a gut and do the donkey work for messi, neymar and mbappe?
I thought Real only wanted top players.
 
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