Athletics World Championship 2015

He's five of the top ten ffs, insane.

He's also got the 7th fastest 400m youth time. I would like to see him go for the 400m WR as I reckon he could get it but he probably never will as he hates running them.
 
Gatlin blew that didn't he? Lost all form over the last ten meters? Glad for bolt though.
I reckon he'd have won if he had maintained his composure in the final stretch. But that's the power of Bolt - he forces the others to do something they wouldn't normally do. The majority of his competitors have lost before the race even starts.

If Bolt wasn't on the track, Gatlin would have run closer to 9.75. Hats off to Bolt, though, after the dodgy start in the semis I had my doubts, but he's just majestic when he hits his stride and starts hunting people down.
 
Because he rarely ran the 100m as a youth, he was more of a 200m and 400m runner then. He has the three fastest youth 200m times.

http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/sprints/200-metres/outdoor/men/youth//

But that suggests he went on to run PB that would have him finishing about 9.5 meters ahead of what he ran as a youth. That's a pretty insane improvement even from going from youth to senior.

But even more crazy, is that he went from running 100m in 10.03 to 9.69 in a year. We aren't talking about a kid of 11 then a year later at 12 running a time that would have him 3 meters ahead of his previous best, but a pro sprinter from the age of 21 to 22. The only other person in history to have run under 9.8 and not failed a drug test in Maurice Greene and he's got the problem of bank transfers showing him making payments to the guy who supplied Marion Jones et al. Basically it seems like he went from being a 10 second plus guy, to blowing away all the enahnced athletes in history, in around a years time.

Outside of Jamaica, he never ran under 19.9 for the 200m before 2008. Then in 2009 he set a world record of 19.19. That literally means that between the age of 22 and 23 he improved his 200 meter sprint by about 7 meters. For all the unfair speculation, surely stuff like must make it very hard not to think something very fishy was going on. What could possible suddenly have changed? Would a kid who has just gone through puberty expect to make such a massive improvement, let alone a pro athlete who had been training since he was a teen?

When Ben Johnson went from running 10.44 to 9.84 in 4 years, it caused a lot of suspicion, as it made no sense at all. The recent Panorama show that showed evidence of Allan Wells drug use, supported their arguments by showing the un-explainable improvements in his times, over a short period. But these improvements weren't as great as Bolts or in such a short space of time.

What I think is totally irrelevant and it's just my opinion. But I'm interested to know what you think could be possible reasons for an athlete to improve his 100m time by 0.3 seconds and his 200m time by 0.7 seconds in a relatively short period of time? Do you really think things like new training regimes or diets changes can possibly account for such improvements?
 
All I know is that I remember watching Michael Johnson break the 200m WR twice in 1996, first to 19.66s and then to 19.32s at Atlanta, taking 0.4s off in a single year. That's a huge chunk of time to take off a sprint record and i've never heard anyone suggest that he had anything to do with drugs, in fact he is the most anti drugs person there is. So for me I believe that it's entirely possible for Usain Bolt to do what he's done drug free, even more so with his physique.
 
But that suggests he went on to run PB that would have him finishing about 9.5 meters ahead of what he ran as a youth. That's a pretty insane improvement even from going from youth to senior.

But even more crazy, is that he went from running 100m in 10.03 to 9.69 in a year. We aren't talking about a kid of 11 then a year later at 12 running a time that would have him 3 meters ahead of his previous best, but a pro sprinter from the age of 21 to 22. The only other person in history to have run under 9.8 and not failed a drug test in Maurice Greene and he's got the problem of bank transfers showing him making payments to the guy who supplied Marion Jones et al. Basically it seems like he went from being a 10 second plus guy, to blowing away all the enahnced athletes in history, in around a years time.

Outside of Jamaica, he never ran under 19.9 for the 200m before 2008. Then in 2009 he set a world record of 19.19. That literally means that between the age of 22 and 23 he improved his 200 meter sprint by about 7 meters. For all the unfair speculation, surely stuff like must make it very hard not to think something very fishy was going on. What could possible suddenly have changed? Would a kid who has just gone through puberty expect to make such a massive improvement, let alone a pro athlete who had been training since he was a teen?

When Ben Johnson went from running 10.44 to 9.84 in 4 years, it caused a lot of suspicion, as it made no sense at all. The recent Panorama show that showed evidence of Allan Wells drug use, supported their arguments by showing the un-explainable improvements in his times, over a short period. But these improvements weren't as great as Bolts or in such a short space of time.

What I think is totally irrelevant and it's just my opinion. But I'm interested to know what you think could be possible reasons for an athlete to improve his 100m time by 0.3 seconds and his 200m time by 0.7 seconds in a relatively short period of time? Do you really think things like new training regimes or diets changes can possibly account for such improvements?

9.5 metres over 200m from youth to senior is not an insane improvement at all. In fact, if you look at all the other runners of times under 19.88 (Blake, Johnson, Dix, Gatlin, Gay, Carter, Spearmon, Fredericks, Mennea, Marsh, Deloach, Weir, Lemaitre, Dywer, Edwards, Smith, Obikwelu, Caper, Kenderis, Martina, Ashmeade, Regis, Williams), only one of them appears on the 200m youth list, which goes up to 20.88 seconds. In other words, all but one of them have improved by over a second (Ashmeade by 0.87 seconds, and is only 25, so may well better this). You'd have a better argument questioning why Bolt's improvement is only 0.94 seconds. Plus, Bolt set the youth record at only 16 years old.

Bolt's 10.03 was pretty much the only 100m he'd run at that point. That doesn't make him a "10 second plus guy", but a young athlete who has demolished records in the 200m since he took up the sport now trying his hand at 100m.

200m wise, he ran:
20.13 in 2003
19.93 in 2004
19.99 in 2005
19.88 in 2006
19.75 in 2007 (don't know why you'd discounted that)
19.30 in 2008
19.19 in 2009

Sure, there's a jump, but it's not a completely wild one. Ben Johnson improving his 100m time by 0.6 seconds between the ages of 23 and 27 is simply not comparable with Bolt improving his 200m time by 0.63 between the ages of 18 and 22.
 
9.5 metres over 200m from youth to senior is not an insane improvement at all. In fact, if you look at all the other runners of times under 19.88 (Blake, Johnson, Dix, Gatlin, Gay, Carter, Spearmon, Fredericks, Mennea, Marsh, Deloach, Weir, Lemaitre, Dywer, Edwards, Smith, Obikwelu, Caper, Kenderis, Martina, Ashmeade, Regis, Williams), only one of them appears on the 200m youth list, which goes up to 20.88 seconds. In other words, all but one of them have improved by over a second (Ashmeade by 0.87 seconds, and is only 25, so may well better this). You'd have a better argument questioning why Bolt's improvement is only 0.94 seconds. Plus, Bolt set the youth record at only 16 years old.

Bolt's 10.03 was pretty much the only 100m he'd run at that point. That doesn't make him a "10 second plus guy", but a young athlete who has demolished records in the 200m since he took up the sport now trying his hand at 100m.

200m wise, he ran:
20.13 in 2003
19.93 in 2004
19.99 in 2005
19.88 in 2006
19.75 in 2007 (don't know why you'd discounted that)
19.30 in 2008
19.19 in 2009

Sure, there's a jump, but it's not a completely wild one. Ben Johnson improving his 100m time by 0.6 seconds between the ages of 23 and 27 is simply not comparable with Bolt improving his 200m time by 0.63 between the ages of 18 and 22.

Come off it, how is it not comparable with Ben Johnson? What reason would there be for him to have jumped from 19.75 to 19.30 in the space of a year? In 2 years he knocked half a second of his time. Is the really not a wild jump?

Also you can't just claim that was pretty much his first 100m and then not address the improvement. It's a crazy improvement. Why do you think he hadn't run many 100m? That's a very reasonable question. I would have thought logic dictated that it was because he wasn't that good at it. So why did he suddenly make this leap from being a plus 10 second guy, to blowing away every enhanced athlete in history? I just don't see how you could explain these leaps via things like "more focus" etc. We aren't talking about small improvements here.
 
But that still doesn't explain the senior level improvements.

It wasn't his first 100m and it sure as hell wasn't his first 200m. What would you put those level of improvements down to?

If he ran 100m before 2007 they were very rare, and not a suitable reference point.

Come off it, how is it not comparable with Ben Johnson? What reason would there be for him to have jumped from 19.75 to 19.30 in the space of a year? In 2 years he knocked half a second of his time. Is the really not a wild jump?

Also you can't just claim that was pretty much his first 100m and then not address the improvement. It's a crazy improvement. Why do you think he hadn't run many 100m? That's a very reasonable question. I would have thought logic dictated that it was because he wasn't that good at it. So why did he suddenly make this leap from being a plus 10 second guy, to blowing away every enhanced athlete in history? I just don't see how you could explain these leaps via things like "more focus" etc. We aren't talking about small improvements here.

It's not comparable because Johnson improved by twice as much in % terms, at an age of 23 when he should be well developed as an athlete.

It's 19.75 to 19.30 is a large improvement no doubt, but nowhere as much as you're making it out to be. For one thing, you're extrapolating from just one year. His earlier times from 2003-4 show the potential, and he's not that much further ahead of of the pack now as he was then.

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He didn't run the 100m because his coach thought he was better suited to 200/400 - I think something to do with his start, and his discipline. His "leap in improvement" at 100m is because he'd almost literally never competed in the event before. To keep calling him a "plus 10 second guy", and questioning why he didn't appear in the top U18 rankings is extremely deceptive.

Here's a thread showing reaction to his 10.03 by enthusiasts at the time - it is clear that they recognised the significance.

http://trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/showthread.php?119067-Usain-Bolt-10-03!
 
You don't know when PED use could have started! So you can't compare Johnson and Bolt based on age. The comparison comes from them both having dramatic improvements. In the thread you link they even list a number of guys of similar age who ran faster. None went on the smash the world record a year later. In fact of those I've heard of, (DeLoach, Lewis, Powell, Chambers, Gaitlan, and Obikwelu), 5 out of 6 of them have gone on to fail drug tests! I was going to make a similar point about the 200m runners you named). Yet I get the impression you think I'm being biased or are well wide of the mark with my suspicions. But that's the reality of the sport.

You are acting as if he was never training as a sprinter before that 100m race. He would have run literally thousands of 100m in his life. The obvious reason is because of his height, he struggled with the start. There is a good way of fixing that.

This is what Carl Lewis said about Bolt's improvement:

"for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

I've got to ask, have you ever taken any PED's or been involved in strength sports or athletics? I've noticed the same kind of resistance to accepting steroid use in the MMA thread. My hobby is power lifting and the idea of believing an athlete that is so reliant on power and explosiveness being natural and still better than all the enhanced athlete's in history is just insane to me. I've never taken steroids, but I have taken various peptides and even they make a very noticeable difference. Recently my mate ran a Anavar only cycle, which often people say isn't worth it, yet his lifts shot up. Power lifting is one of the few sports that can really tell us something about steroid use, as it has openly untested federations. Even though the tests are easy to pass, there is still a big difference, about 5%-10%, between the tested and untested records. Yet in sports where using steroids is the ultimate "no no", we see things like natural athletes destroying enhanced athletes. Yet if you question it, you are seen a being out of order and so on.
 
I already posted that Michael Johnson took a considerable chunk off the 200m WR back in 1996 but no one ever questions his peformances because everyone knows that he was clean. In fact his pb prior to him first breaking the WR at the US trials was 19.79, so in one year he improved by 0.47s when he lowered the WR to 19.32. Very similar reduction to what Bolt did in 2008.
 
But the point here isn't really to pick on Bolt, but the BBC etc, who are making these cringe worthy statements. It's pathetic the way they are trying to make out that this is a victory for the sport. Gatlin is racing because he keeps passing the tests! Powell is racing because he keeps passing the tests!

Agreed. You're either clean in the tests or not. If you're not clean, you're banned. If you're clean, you should be just like everyone else. People make mistakes, they deserve a second chance (not sure about Gatlin's third, but those are the rules).

All this good vs bad these past few days really was cringe worthy. And Cram's nonsense about saving the sport...

If someone can "save it", or at least help it, it is those young guys like Bromell and De Grasse improving, taking over and staying clean. Bolt having to win all the time just so the like of Gatlin, Gay and Powell don't isn't much of a save.
 
You don't know when PED use could have started! So you can't compare Johnson and Bolt based on age. The comparison comes from them both having dramatic improvements. In the thread you link they even list a number of guys of similar age who ran faster. None went on the smash the world record a year later. In fact of those I've heard of, (DeLoach, Lewis, Powell, Chambers, Gaitlan, and Obikwelu), 5 out of 6 of them have gone on to fail drug tests! I was going to make a similar point about the 200m runners you named). Yet I get the impression you think I'm being biased or are well wide of the mark with my suspicions. But that's the reality of the sport.

You are acting as if he was never training as a sprinter before that 100m race. He would have run literally thousands of 100m in his life. The obvious reason is because of his height, he struggled with the start. There is a good way of fixing that.

This is what Carl Lewis said about Bolt's improvement:

"for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

I've got to ask, have you ever taken any PED's or been involved in strength sports or athletics? I've noticed the same kind of resistance to accepting steroid use in the MMA thread. My hobby is power lifting and the idea of believing an athlete that is so reliant on power and explosiveness being natural and still better than all the enhanced athlete's in history is just insane to me. I've never taken steroids, but I have taken various peptides and even they make a very noticeable difference. Recently my mate ran a Anavar only cycle, which often people say isn't worth it, yet his lifts shot up. Power lifting is one of the few sports that can really tell us something about steroid use, as it has openly untested federations. Even though the tests are easy to pass, there is still a big difference, about 5%-10%, between the tested and untested records. Yet in sports where using steroids is the ultimate "no no", we see things like natural athletes destroying enhanced athletes. Yet if you question it, you are seen a being out of order and so on.

You seem to deliberately misunderstand the point Madthinker made with respect to Bolt's graduation from a junior athlete to senior athlete with respect to age and maturity. Bolt depended on just his raw natural ability and was not as mature or as fully concentrated on his game as most of his peers much less for senior fully professional athletes. His maturity and a few setbacks increased his focus made him really try to take his craft more seriously, hence the improvement in times.

When Bolt won the Olympic gold in Beijing he ran with one of his shoelaces untied, that is indicative of how he views the sport. He does not take it as seriously as most other athletes. There is not the same intensity, or the win at all costs mentality that so typified sprinters of previous years. That leads me to think more than most that he is clean.
 
You don't know when PED use could have started! So you can't compare Johnson and Bolt based on age. The comparison comes from them both having dramatic improvements. In the thread you link they even list a number of guys of similar age who ran faster. None went on the smash the world record a year later. In fact of those I've heard of, (DeLoach, Lewis, Powell, Chambers, Gaitlan, and Obikwelu), 5 out of 6 of them have gone on to fail drug tests! I was going to make a similar point about the 200m runners you named). Yet I get the impression you think I'm being biased or are well wide of the mark with my suspicions. But that's the reality of the sport.

You are acting as if he was never training as a sprinter before that 100m race. He would have run literally thousands of 100m in his life. The obvious reason is because of his height, he struggled with the start. There is a good way of fixing that.

This is what Carl Lewis said about Bolt's improvement:

"for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

I've got to ask, have you ever taken any PED's or been involved in strength sports or athletics? I've noticed the same kind of resistance to accepting steroid use in the MMA thread. My hobby is power lifting and the idea of believing an athlete that is so reliant on power and explosiveness being natural and still better than all the enhanced athlete's in history is just insane to me. I've never taken steroids, but I have taken various peptides and even they make a very noticeable difference. Recently my mate ran a Anavar only cycle, which often people say isn't worth it, yet his lifts shot up. Power lifting is one of the few sports that can really tell us something about steroid use, as it has openly untested federations. Even though the tests are easy to pass, there is still a big difference, about 5%-10%, between the tested and untested records. Yet in sports where using steroids is the ultimate "no no", we see things like natural athletes destroying enhanced athletes. Yet if you question it, you are seen a being out of order and so on.

Yes, you can look at their ages. Johnson's improvement was after an age when you wouldn't expect unaccountable increases. Bolt's notable improvements stop at age 21. Virtually every other top athlete showed similar improvements at a similar age or later.

Of course none of the other athletes went on to break the world record, but then I suspect that it wasn't the first time they'd competed at the event, so that point is redundant. And no, he won't have run thousands of 100s at any level where his results will have been recorded. He's run less than 100 times in the last 8 years, and that's when he's actually been competing in the event.

I'd take anything Carl Lewis says with a pinch of salt.

I've not taken any PEDs, not been involved in strength sports, but I'm not sure that's relevant. Firstly, it's a different sport, and some of the best sprinters have not needed to be particularly muscular to compete (some today seemed relatively slight of build). Secondly, even if steroids make a huge difference, it's not evidence that Bolt is using them - merely that it would be of great advantage to do so.

You're not merely "questioning it" with "suspicions", you've gone out and said that the idea he's clean is "ridiculous" and "stupid", apparently based on the fact that he didn't have top 10 u18 times in an event he didn't compete in, and because he improved at the 200m at a similar rate as many other athletes.

Don't get me wrong, he may be doping, but the evidence based on his rate of improvement is just not there - he has always been well ahead of the pack at 200m, and translated that to 100m.
 
Yeah, three positive tests I think. Bit hypocritical of him to then accuse someone without any evidence at all.
Yep. He's an arse, he was second in Seoul, in a field full of sted heads including him. I suspect all of them are on the juice, so it's a level playing field at the top. As for Lewis, Ben Johnson beat him...er... Fairly and squarely. Well..... He beat his fellow juicers.
 
Yes, you can look at their ages. Johnson's improvement was after an age when you wouldn't expect unaccountable increases. Bolt's notable improvements stop at age 21. Virtually every other top athlete showed similar improvements at a similar age or later.

Of course none of the other athletes went on to break the world record, but then I suspect that it wasn't the first time they'd competed at the event, so that point is redundant. And no, he won't have run thousands of 100s at any level where his results will have been recorded. He's run less than 100 times in the last 8 years, and that's when he's actually been competing in the event.

I'd take anything Carl Lewis says with a pinch of salt.

I've not taken any PEDs, not been involved in strength sports, but I'm not sure that's relevant. Firstly, it's a different sport, and some of the best sprinters have not needed to be particularly muscular to compete (some today seemed relatively slight of build). Secondly, even if steroids make a huge difference, it's not evidence that Bolt is using them - merely that it would be of great advantage to do so.

You're not merely "questioning it" with "suspicions", you've gone out and said that the idea he's clean is "ridiculous" and "stupid", apparently based on the fact that he didn't have top 10 u18 times in an event he didn't compete in, and because he improved at the 200m at a similar rate as many other athletes.

Don't get me wrong, he may be doping, but the evidence based on his rate of improvement is just not there - he has always been well ahead of the pack at 200m, and translated that to 100m.

You can't simply say his notable improvements stopped at 21. Athletes develop physically at different rates. Bolt was apparently 6"5 at 16. From 2003 to 2007 he lowered his 200m time by 0.38 seconds. Yet over the following year alone he suddenly took another 0.45 seconds of it. That's very odd, no matter what you say. It was during that same year he want from being a +10 second 100 meter runner, to world record holder. I wasn't trying to say he'd run thousands of official races, but that he would have run 100m thousands of times prior to that. He's a sprinter, he'd run 100m every single day. He never competed for a reason and it wasn't because the 200m was more important as no one would argue that. No matter how you spin things, in the space of a year he went from being a non competitive 100m runner, to a world record holder and knocked an incredible 0.45 seconds of his 200m PB.

You can't just dismiss what Carl Lewis is saying as it has value. You don't want to acknowledge it, but you are being told by someone with years of experience in sprinting and taking drugs, that it's suspicious when someone suddenly drops their times by that much.

Which sprinters aren't particularly muscular? But the benefits of steroids go way beyond simply building muscle mass.

I didn't base my opinion on the fact he didn't have a top 10 U18 time. That came later in the thread. It's not normal to see the sudden improvements he did. At senior level he wasn't well ahead of the pack. He dropped his 200m time in one year as much as he had in the previous 4 years. This coincided with him suddenly becoming the fastest 100m in history, from relatively nowhere. You are making it sound as if I'm ignoring a steady progression without a sudden leap into destroying every athlete in history.

We clearly aren't going to agree on this, but can we at least agree there was a sudden jump between 2007 and 2008, that was out of kilter with what we'd previously seen from him and would expect from an athlete who wasn't new to the sport?
 
Thing is with Bolt is that now he's showing a noticeable decline whilst Gatlin is running as well as he ever has at 33. I'd think if Bolt was doping he would have been caught like most of his peers have been although the Jamaican drug testing standards have been questioned before.
 
You can't simply say his notable improvements stopped at 21. Athletes develop physically at different rates. Bolt was apparently 6"5 at 16. From 2003 to 2007 he lowered his 200m time by 0.38 seconds. Yet over the following year alone he suddenly took another 0.45 seconds of it. That's very odd, no matter what you say. It was during that same year he want from being a +10 second 100 meter runner, to world record holder. I wasn't trying to say he'd run thousands of official races, but that he would have run 100m thousands of times prior to that. He's a sprinter, he'd run 100m every single day. He never competed for a reason and it wasn't because the 200m was more important as no one would argue that. No matter how you spin things, in the space of a year he went from being a non competitive 100m runner, to a world record holder and knocked an incredible 0.45 seconds of his 200m PB.

You can't just dismiss what Carl Lewis is saying as it has value. You don't want to acknowledge it, but you are being told by someone with years of experience in sprinting and taking drugs, that it's suspicious when someone suddenly drops their times by that much.

Which sprinters aren't particularly muscular? But the benefits of steroids go way beyond simply building muscle mass.

I didn't base my opinion on the fact he didn't have a top 10 U18 time. That came later in the thread. It's not normal to see the sudden improvements he did. At senior level he wasn't well ahead of the pack. He dropped his 200m time in one year as much as he had in the previous 4 years. This coincided with him suddenly becoming the fastest 100m in history, from relatively nowhere. You are making it sound as if I'm ignoring a steady progression without a sudden leap into destroying every athlete in history.

We clearly aren't going to agree on this, but can we at least agree there was a sudden jump between 2007 and 2008, that was out of kilter with what we'd previously seen from him and would expect from an athlete who wasn't new to the sport?

I can say that his notable improvements stopped at age 21, because that's the age he won the 100m and 200m Olympic titles in 9.69 and 19.30.

His progression (regression) from 2004 to 2005 was even more remarkable - how did he lose 0.06 of a second whilst he was at an age where he should be improving dramatically? Does this mean he was doping up to 2004, but then stopped, or does it mean that performances can fluctuate somewhat?

Your speculation about him running thousands of hundreds in training proves nothing - he wouldn't have been training *for* the 100m. Besides which, for all you know, his times might always have shown his ability at that level, but his trainer felt he should concentrate on the 200 because that's where he felt his strengths lay (with good reason). To characterise him as a 10+ second 100m runner based on one (his first proper) effort at the distance is ridiculous. He'd barely got beneath 10 seconds over the past year until this final - does this mean he went back to being a 10+ second runner and has had another leap of improvement?

What Carl Lewis says has no value as he's basing it off the same single time, and has a vested interest. He himself could only manage a 200m of exactly the same time as Bolt in 2007, but could run a 100 in 9.86. 19.75 is still the 39th best ever time at 200, whereas 10.03 wouldn't put you in the top 1000. In other words, if you were to assume that Bolt might be comparatively just as good at 100 as 200, he was already at that level in 2007. The 10.03 is a total red herring.

It's not normal to see the improvements that he made (from age 20 to 21)? OK:
Blake: 19.78 aged 20. 19.26 aged 21. -0.52
Johnson: 19.79 aged 27. 19.32 aged 28. -0.47
Dix: 20.18 aged 19. 19.69 aged 21. -0.49
Gay: 20.39+ (cant even find a time on the list) aged 20. 20.08 aged 21. -0.31+
Carter: 20.02 aged 19. 19.63 aged 20. -0.39
Spearmon: 19.89 aged 20. 19.65 aged 21 -0.23
Fredericks: 20.31 aged 22. 20.08 aged 23 -0.23

To repeat - his overall improvement from youth to his best at senior level puts him 23rd out of the top 24 200m runners. This means that the 0.45 increase from 2007-8, which is incorporated in those figures was largely reflective of a lack of improvement from 2004-2007, and for which there can be many reasons.
 
We're back on again, but not sure I can hack til 3am to see if Rutherford qualifies for the long jump final...
 
I wouldn't stick your pole up Holly Bradshaw tbf.
 
Thing is with Bolt is that now he's showing a noticeable decline whilst Gatlin is running as well as he ever has at 33. I'd think if Bolt was doping he would have been caught like most of his peers have been although the Jamaican drug testing standards have been questioned before.

This is crazy to me, Gatlin is running faster than when he was younger and juicing.
 
DAY 3

Finals
[01/47] Marathon (M) 1. Ghirmay Ghebreslassie (ERI) 2. Yemane Tsegay (ETH) 3. Munyo Solomon Mutai (UGA)
[02/47] Shot Put (W) 1. Christina Schwanitz (GER) 2. Lijiao Gong (CHN) 3. Michelle Carter (USA)
[03/47] 10,000 Metres (M) 1. Mohamed Farah (GBR) 2. Geoffrey Kipsang Kamworor (KEN) 3. Paul Kipngetich Tanui (KEN)
[04/47] 20 Kilometres Race Walk (M) 1. Miguel Ángel López (ESP) 2. Zhen Wang (CHN) 3. Benjamin Thorne (CAN)
[05/47] Hammer Throw (M) 1. Pawel Fajdek (POL) 2. Dilshod Nazarov (TJK) 3. Wojciech Nowicki (POL)
[06/47] Heptathlon (W) 1. Jessica Ennis-Hill (GBR) 2. Brianne Theisen Eaton (CAN) 3. Laura Ikauniece-Admidina (LAT)
[07/47] Shot Put (M) 1. Joe Kovacs (USA) 2. David Storl (GER) 3. O'Dayne Richards (JAM)
[08/47] 100 Metres (M) 1. Usain Bolt (JAM) 2. Justin Gatlin (USA) 3. Trayvon Bromell (USA) 3. Andre De Grasse (CAN)
[09/47] Triple Jump (W) 1. Caterine Ibargüen (COL) 2. Hanna Knyazyeva-Minenko (ISR) 3. Olga Rypakova
[10/47] 10,000 Metres (W) 1. Vivian Jepkemoi Cheruiyot (KEN) 2. Gelete Burka (ETH) 3. Emily Infeld (USA)
[11/47] Pole Vault (M) 1. Shawnacy Barber (CAN) 2. Raphael Marcel Holzdeppe (GER) 3. Pawel Wojciechowski (POL) 3. Renaud Lavillenie (FRA) 3. Piotr Lisek (POL)
[12/47] 3000 Metres Steeplechase (M) 1. Ezekiel Kemboi (KEN) 2. Conseslus Kipruto (KEN) 3. Brimin Kiprop Kipruto (KEN)
[13/47] 100 Metres (W) 1. Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce (JAM) 2. Dafne Schippers (NED) 3. Tori Bowie (USA)


Medals (expanded to 6th place) [13/47]
01.) 02 - 02 - 02 /// 02 - 01 - 00 Kenya
02.) 02 - 00 - 01 /// 01 - 01 - 00 Jamaica
03.) 02 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Great Britain
04.) 01 - 02 - 00 /// 00 - 01 - 00 Germany
05.) 01 - 01 - 04 /// 01 - 04 - 02 United States of America
06.) 01 - 01 - 02 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Canada
07.) 01 - 00 - 03 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Poland
08.) 01 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Eritrea
09.) 01 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Colombia
09.) 01 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Spain
11.) 00 - 02 - 00 /// 00 - 02 - 00 China
12.) 00 - 02 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Ethiopia
13.) 00 - 01 - 00 /// 01 - 00 - 00 Netherlands
14.) 00 - 01 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Israel
14.) 00 - 01 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Tajikistan
16.) 00 - 00 - 01 /// 00 - 00 - 01 France
16.) 00 - 00 - 01 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Uganda
18.) 00 - 00 - 01 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Kazakhstan
18.) 00 - 00 - 01 /// 00 - 00 - 00 Latvia
20.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 02 - 00 - 01 Hungary
21.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 01 - 00 - 01 Ukraine
22.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 01 - 00 - 00 Bulgaria
22.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 01 - 00 - 00 Italy
22.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 01 - 00 - 00 New Zealand
25.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 01 - 01 Trinidad & Tobago
26.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 01 - 00 Bahrain
26.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 01 - 00 Russia
28.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Algeria
28.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Belarus
28.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Brazil
28.) 00 - 00 - 00 /// 00 - 00 - 01 Finland
*100m (M) tie for bronze --> no 4th place
**Pole Vault (M) 3-way tie for bronze --> no 4th and 5th place

Day 4 Schedule
Finals
[14/47] 13:00 Discus Throw (W)
[15/47] 13:25 Long Jump (M)
[16/47] 14:25 400 Metres Hurdles (M)
[17/47] 14:35 1500 Metres (W)
[18/47] 14:55 800 Metres (M)

Rest
13:05 400 Metres (W) Semi-Final
13:30 200 Metres (M) Heats
 
Huddle, what a stupid thing to do.

Yep, moved over too far into the second lane and forgot to check the inside- credit to Infeld for running to the line though.

Kenya are laughably dominant in the steeplechase, thought Kipruto probably should have done more to make it faster and not give Kemboi the chance to complete outpace the others at the end. Knew he'd be close though, remember seeing destroying a field to run a CR as junior in 2012, still only 20 at the moment too.

Excellent decision by Schippers to take up sprinting full time by the way, if can correct her start where she goes to the right hand side she'll be a serious contender next year.