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It's what he usually does after that that's the issue.He's the only player we have right now that is taking on and beating players. I can't find much fault in his efforts
It's what he usually does after that that's the issue.He's the only player we have right now that is taking on and beating players. I can't find much fault in his efforts
i think the point that i and and a few others have, is that young is lucky beyond belief that he even started with united this season. he's been horrible up until this season, yet he and valencia are given opportunity after opportunity after fecking opportunity to make something happen. even a clock is right twice a day, is somewhat apt.
nevertheless, he's been decent this year. nothing more, nothing less. it's just that the ceiling is so low with him, compared to what di maria can potentially bring based on precedent and based on what januzaj has in terms of potential. i don't think we'd be much worse off had di maria or januzaj been afforded those sames minutes that young has received.
If he "doesn't always get the final ball right" (which is putting it lightly) then what use is it looking threatening consistently? He consistently gets into good positions and uses the ball poorly, and somehow that's worthy of praise...I find it absolutely incredible. He averages 5 unsuccessful crosses per game (out of 6.7 crosses overall) which puts him in 11th place for the most mishit crosses in the league. Worse than someone like Yannick Bolasie who people regularly criticise for having a poor final ball and use it as a reason for him still being at a midtable club. The only players who cross it more often are Trippier, Downing, Navas, Albrighton, di María, Moses and Tadic, and in terms of end product he's at the same level as Trippier, Albrighton and Moses and a level below Downing, Navas and Tadic.
We used to criticise Nani for far, far, far less. Our standards for good wingplay have dropped to such a low level it's sad.
Can't heap much blame on him considering the way teams have been parking the bus against us lately. Which other regulars in the squad have dug out something more when shut out by these tactics?
I have stopped bothering about his contract and his salary. What I would like to see is an upgrade on him while he becomes a utility squad player. A team like United should not be relying on Young as their wide player considering what we have had in the past.Huge credit for resurrecting his Utd career. I still think he lacks that little bit of quality to really help us push for the title and CL next season, but (if he's willing to take a pay cut), I'd say give him a contract where we can keep him as a left sided utility player.
True, but he's a more than capable stand in. He also loves playing for the club, which is endearing to see.I have stopped bothering about his contract and his salary. What I would like to see is an upgrade on him while he becomes a utility squad player. A team like United should not be relying on Young as their wide player considering what we have had in the past.
Memphis.I have stopped bothering about his contract and his salary. What I would like to see is an upgrade on him while he becomes a utility squad player. A team like United should not be relying on Young as their wide player considering what we have had in the past.
He should. He would not get anywhere near another top team of similar caliber.True, but he's a more than capable stand in. He also loves playing for the club, which is endearing to see.
I know but I have not seen a lot of him and don't know much of what to expect.Memphis.
The manager trusts him enough to spend 22m on him, ignore his own policy of not speaking to players while the season is going on and personally intervening to stop the player from joining PSG.I know but I have not seen a lot of him and don't know much of what to expect.
The idea that he's been our best outfield player this season is just absurd, for me. He has 5 goals and 2 assists. I know numbers don't tell the full story, but that's poor, and often and not, goals and assists are one of the best ways to judge a winger. In their respective best seasons for the club, Nani and Valencia had stats way, way beyond that. I'd say if anything the stats show how torrid Young's end product actually is for us, because we're all clearly impressed by his 'transformation' in terms of how confident he looks, how he's beating his man, how he's on the ball so much and much more noticeable in games, yet his overall stats are actually worse than they were for us last year.
It's just not remotely good enough for a Man Utd winger, or for any first choice winger at any big club, actually. I see little wrong with keeping him on as a squad player, but that's pretty much all he deserves. I don't think Young has ever done remotely enough to not be labelled one of the shittest signings that Fergie made in his tenure here, and that includes this season.
Just highlights what a sorry state our squad is in and how much we need to invest when we're applauding Ashley Young for successfully crossing the ball with some of the fans thinking it's something special.The idea that he's been our best outfield player this season is just absurd, for me. He has 5 goals and 2 assists. I know numbers don't tell the full story, but that's poor, and often and not, goals and assists are one of the best ways to judge a winger. In their respective best seasons for the club, Nani and Valencia had stats way, way beyond that. I'd say if anything the stats show how torrid Young's end product actually is for us, because we're all clearly impressed by his 'transformation' in terms of how confident he looks, how he's beating his man, how he's on the ball so much and much more noticeable in games, yet his overall stats are actually worse than they were for us last year.
It's just not remotely good enough for a Man Utd winger, or for any first choice winger at any big club, actually. I see little wrong with keeping him on as a squad player, but that's pretty much all he deserves. I don't think Young has ever done remotely enough to not be labelled one of the shittest signings that Fergie made in his tenure here, and that includes this season.
Problem with Young is when he's shut out, he has no other options. IMO that doesn't make him a regular but rather a squad player.
Just highlights what a sorry state our squad is in and how much we need to invest when we're applauding Ashley Young for successfully crossing the ball with some of the fans thinking it's something special.
I don't think Young has ever done remotely enough to not be labelled one of the shittest signings that Fergie made in his tenure here, and that includes this season.
Just highlights what a sorry state our squad is in and how much we need to invest when we're applauding Ashley Young for successfully crossing the ball with some of the fans thinking it's something special.
Imagine we live in a world in which Ashley Young is genuinely a better player than Angel di Maria? Imagine?
England's loss and Manchester United's gain at the moment.
It definitely isn't any kind of loss for England, with several younger and more promising players who can play a similar role to him.
It definitely isn't any kind of loss for England, with several younger and more promising players who can play a similar role to him.
Simply not true. We are seeing (eventually) the same player Aston Villa had. Prior to his move to United only Cesc Fabregas averaged a better assist record over a 5 year period in the PL. So you are saying there are several young players for England who could match that feat over the next 5 years....big bullshit call.
What?
Why are you talking about Ashley Young in 2009? I'm not sure what that post even means. What happened 5 years ago at Aston Villa doesn't really matter and it should take more than a few weeks of unspectacular form for an England recall, unless we're hell bent on going backwards.
You didn't answer the question though. Which one of our regulars has brought something else to the table when we needed it against a defensively resolute team? Rooney? Fellaini? Mata? Di Maria? We've collectively failed us a team to beat teams that shut us down effectively. Im talking about Southampton at home, Chelsea, Everton and West Brom. No one stepped up, no one. Mata was virtually invisible in those games and Di Maria looked like Nani on a bad day so why are you singling out Young?
Because this thread is supposed to be about Young!
True very true.Thats a serious cop out
By Nani having a better season than any of our wingers? Well done LVG. Genius.Jesus we have people wanting to give Nani another chance after 3 years of dross and getting booed off but for Ashley helping us get top 4 this season is still not worthy of praise. Laughable. Looks like LVG has judged the players rightly mind.
By Nani having a better season than any of our wingers? Well done LVG. Genius.
Mata isn't a winger. Champions league a low level? Alright.Definitely haven't had a better season than Mata and he's barely outshone the others at a significantly lower level of competition. Nani isn't good enough, and neither have our other candidate wingers been.
Before Man City he had 1 goal and 1 assist all season. Take into account that 4 of his assists and the other goal came in 2 games then the productivity reads that he's produced something in terms of a goal or assist in only 4 games he's played this season (23 starts), if you look at it like that.