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2014-15 Performances

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6.3 Season Average Rating
Appearances
29
Clean sheets
9
Goals
2
Assists
6
Yellow cards
5
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Pogue Mahone said:
It's an assist. That's not opinion. That's how the stat works. He created the situation to deliver the cross all by himself and the cross obviously put the defender in an awkward position. Hence it was a decent cross. As assists go, it would definitely belong in the category where the assister deserves credit. Which isn't always the case with this particular stat.
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Apparently it is not how the stat works. Which is bizarre. But it certainly puts into new light "He only has _ assists and _ goals all season thats not good enough for United"

He's now officially got 4 assists and two goals since the start of the season. Add in the penalty cross yesterday, suddenly a player who has played a proper part in 22 league games (feck knows how many as full back) and has contributed to 6 goals. About 1 in 4. I'd say if we include games as wingers, he's adding about 1 goal every three games, which isn't awful at all. He's also aided us with clearances off the line and sets up more as well.
 
Orton said:
Assists, assists. Jeez, did you read what I said? It was clearly in regards to the crossing and assists. Also, yes young probably was our best outfield player but the team were absolutely shite. We've lowered our standards so much that people like yourself believe only a world class player putting in world class performances every week should replace young in the side.
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No we haven't lowered our standards. It's just simple logic that you don't replace your best performing outfield player.
 
Twigginater said:
To me Ashley Young has been our best outfield player this year, so I don't know how much anyone out classes him in danger.
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He is officially your new Welbeck.

He was for me MOTM yesterday too (despite De Gea's heroics). His final ball is really bad though, and Di Maria despite being in shit form still looks more threatening than him when he plays (which corresponds to his numbers too).

Anyway, for the overall course of the season I think that Carrick, Blind, Herrera, Mata, Fellaini and Rooney (probably Smalling too) have been better than young. Taking only the second half, then I guess it is between him, Fellaini and Herrera for our best outfield player.
 
As a matter of fact looking at whoscored (Ugh) he's played 18 games as a winger this year. He's got five assists and two goals in the league. That's contributing over a goal or assist every third time he plays. Hes also supposed to help defensively. Not bad.
 
Twigginater said:
No we haven't lowered our standards. It's just simple logic that you don't replace your best performing outfield player.
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The only outfield player that isn't dispensable is Carrick. Nobody else has been good enough consistently. Rack out the stats and suddenly it looks like Rvp, Rooney an Di Maria have had good seasons.
 
Twigginater said:
He's certainly no Welbeck :(.

I just think it's ridiculous his final ball is seen as worse than Di Maria's. Based on this year, ADM should be nowhere near a starter.
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He also works much more for the team than Di Maria. I know who I would pick out of the two and it's not even close to be ADM.
 
Twigginater said:
He's certainly no Welbeck :(.

I just think it's ridiculous his final ball is seen as worse than Di Maria's. Based on this year, ADM should be nowhere near a starter.
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Don't think anyone is saying Di Maria has been brilliant or anything but he creates plenty more chances than Ashley Young.
 
Orton said:
The only outfield player that isn't dispensable is Carrick. Nobody else has been good enough consistently. Rack out the stats and suddenly it looks like Rvp, Rooney an Di Maria have had good seasons.
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:lol:

We're fourth in the league. Two points from second. You don't need to get rid of 20 players to make that step up.
 
Twigginater said:
:lol:

We're fourth in the league. Two points from second. You don't need to get rid of 20 players to make that step up.
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Not really what I said. I mean carrick is the only player who should be a certain starter, based on this season and how the team capitulated with him out of it.
 
Twigginater said:
He's certainly no Welbeck :(.

I just think it's ridiculous his final ball is seen as worse than Di Maria's. Based on this year, ADM should be nowhere near a starter.
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Agree, but then again, this is Di Maria at his worst (he has been better in ever season he has been in Europe).

Di Maria's final ball is very good, and in fact has been very good this season. He has something like 13 assists despite not playing that much, being in a new league and not being settled. You don't get those stats by having a poor final ball. If he has played just an another 5 games, most likely he would have broken the all time record for assists when it comes to a United player for a season. The problem is that his all round game has been quite poor.

At the contrary, Young's final ball is quite awful. Yesterday he won us our match with those two crosses, but still on the majority of cases he beats a defender easily (something that he refused to do for the last two seasons) and then cross the ball to the corner flag. But he has had a decent all round game which is the reason why he has been starting for us.
 
Revan said:
Agree, but then again, this is Di Maria at his worst (he has been better in ever season he has been in Europe).

Di Maria's final ball is very good, and in fact has been very good this season. He has something like 13 assists despite not playing that much, being in a new league and not being settled. You don't get those stats by having a poor final ball. If he has played just an another 5 games, most likely he would have broken the all time record for assists when it comes to a United player for a season. The problem is that his all round game has been quite poor.

At the contrary, Young's final ball is quite awful. Yesterday he won us our match with those two crosses, but still on the majority of cases he beats a defender easily (something that he refused to do for the last two seasons) and then cross the ball to the corner flag. But he has had a decent all round game which is the reason why he has been starting for us.
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I know he's a class player and of course I would keep him, but I don't think based on this year you can say his final ball is better than Young's. I would love a montage of his assists this year.
 
Twigginater said:
I know he's a class player and of course I would keep him, but I don't think based on this year you can say his final ball is better than Young's. I would love a montage of his assists this year.
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Well, he has 13 assists while Young has 4 or 5. I think that Young has also played mroe than him, so even from not watching the games it is clear who has the better final ball. And obviously, if you watch the matches it becomes even more clear.

Taking all things considered though, Young deserves to start above Di Maria. But on the other side, Young at his best (basically this version of Young or that of Aston Villa) isn't good enough to start for a team that wants to win league/UCL. Di Maria at his best has shown that he is good enough to do that. The problem though is how to make Di Maria play as good as he has been for Madrid. Because in this season, he has been poor with some moments of magic here and there. Anyway, until he finds his best form (or close to it) he'll be on bench and watch Young starting (on merit).

Depay might complicate things for Young though. I think that Di Maria (if he stays) will be either our long term attacking midfielder, or most likely our long term right winger. So, I guess that Fellaini and Mata are more in direct competition with him than Young.
 
Orton said:
Not really what I said. I mean carrick is the only player who should be a certain starter, based on this season and how the team capitulated with him out of it.
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I think you can add Herrera and Smalling to that list.
 
Revan said:
Well, he has 13 assists while Young has 4 or 5. I think that Young has also played mroe than him, so even from not watching the games it is clear who has the better final ball. And obviously, if you watch the matches it becomes even more clear.

Taking all things considered though, Young deserves to start above Di Maria. But on the other side, Young at his best (basically this version of Young or that of Aston Villa) isn't good enough to start for a team that wants to win league/UCL. Di Maria at his best has shown that he is good enough to do that. The problem though is how to make Di Maria play as good as he has been for Madrid. Because in this season, he has been poor with some moments of magic here and there. Anyway, until he finds his best form (or close to it) he'll be on bench and watch Young starting (on merit).

Depay might complicate things for Young though. I think that Di Maria (if he stays) will be either our long term attacking midfielder, or most likely our long term right winger. So, I guess that Fellaini and Mata are more in direct competition with him than Young.
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I agree with all of that. The only bit I'm now sure of is the "you don't win the league with Young" I'd argue you do, but he certainly isn't a star man.
 
ivaldo said:
I think you can add Herrera and Smalling to that list.
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Possibly, but Smalling's not reliable, as seen yet again with his latest set back. Herrera, yes, potentially. He hasn't looked anywhere near as good since Carrick's been out the side though, but I guess you can say that for most of them.
 
Twigginater said:
I agree with all of that. The only bit I'm now sure of is the "you don't win the league with Young" I'd argue you do, but he certainly isn't a star man.
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I'd be glad to keep young in the squad for next year. He's won over a lot of fans again with his hard work this season, and deserves to be in the squad. Don't see him as a regular starter though when we have the team set up next year. At least he can now play and do a decent enough job.
 
He scored 8 goals and had 12 assists in his first season for us where he had a great start but then awful, yet he was better than Di Maria's first season here. I mean if we compare stats like many love to do when defending Di Maria.
 
Twigginater said:
I agree with all of that. The only bit I'm now sure of is the "you don't win the league with Young" I'd argue you do, but he certainly isn't a star man.
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Not with him a starter/star man.

He can do a decent job as backup/cover for our new left winger (I guess that will be Depay), and even take responsibility and start when Depay will inevitably go into a bad string of games (it happens for all new signings, especially for young players). He has shown this season, that he can do a very good job. But our opponents have superior players in his position, so I guess we need to do better there.
 
Man-United said:
He scored 8 goals and had 12 assists in his first season for us where he was awful, yet he was better than Di Maria's first season here. I mean if we compare stats like many love to do when defending Di Maria.
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Nani was also the best winger in the league for 2 years, overlapping this time. What does that matter? It was over 3 years ago now. Yes, Young's debut season was probably similiar to Di Maria's, some good games and lots of bad ones, it was the 2 seasons that followed that were useless.
 
Man-United said:
He scored 8 goals and had 12 assists in his first season for us where he had a great start but then awful, yet he was better than Di Maria's first season here. I mean if we compare stats like many love to do when defending Di Maria.
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I think that even those fans who really like Di Maria (for example, me) would agree with this. Especially on the first half of the season, Young was really good. Like this season, but with far better end product.
 
Orton said:
Nani was also the best winger in the league for 2 years, overlapping this time. What does that matter? It was over 3 years ago now. Yes, Young's debut season was probably similiar to Di Maria's, some good games and lots of bad ones, it was the 2 seasons that followed that were useless.
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There's no agenda against Di Maria though as some would say. Young got so much abuse here (much much more than Di Maria) after the 2011/12 season yet he got 8+12.
 
My problem with Young is how he drifts in and out of games, without really having an impact. I would say he was a squad player, and a good sub but not a regular. Yesterday he drove into the box and laid it backwards but the Falcon was square on and all he needed was a touch. That's happened all too often with Young this season. Against Everton he ran out of ideas against two or three defenders, he is easily countered and that makes him not a regular IMO.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You've been slagging him off all season but strange timing to use that phrase in a game where he got two assists. No doubt you'd be waxing lyrical if Di Maria had put in the same performance. Feck it, just seeing him beat his fullback as often as Young did would have had people reaching for the superlatives.
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When di Maria set up Mata's goal and the penalty with two dinked through balls that cut open Liverpool's defence was anyone waxing lyrical? No, most people were busy criticising his lucky assists. I just said he was our most dangerous player, which is exactly what I said about Young today. I just asked what's the point of looking dangerous when ultimately it creates so little. Yesterday was a standard Young performance in which we were somewhat fortunate to get a helping hand from Dann and Speroni.
 
He's poor in the final third. What good is being able to beat your man if your next ball is wasted? He gets enough chances that eventually one of his hit-and-hope crosses finds someone, but he does not have a good football brain and more often that not picks the wrong ball. Him and Valencia are a huge part of the reason why we've struggled to create chances for so much of the season.
 
I think to suggest he's poor in places is a little too far. He made the assists yesterday, played very well at times but in some games he gets completely shut out and has little in his toolbox to fix it. That's why for me he's not a regular.
 
Brwned said:
When di Maria set up Mata's goal and the penalty with two dinked through balls that cut open Liverpool's defence was anyone waxing lyrical? No, most people were busy criticising his lucky assists. I just said he was our most dangerous player, which is exactly what I said about Young today. I just asked what's the point of looking dangerous when ultimately it creates so little. Yesterday was a standard Young performance in which we were somewhat fortunate to get a helping hand from Dann and Speroni.
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You can obfuscate all you want about "helping hands" (and the cross for our winner would unsettle any defence) but he categorically did not create "so little" yesterday. He won us the game.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You can obfuscate all you want about "helping hands" (and the cross for our winner would unsettle any defence) but he categorically did not create "so little" yesterday. He won us the game.
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Perhaps we're arguing different points here. He played well yesterday and given it was one of the five games this season when he's managed to score or create a goal it has to go down as one of his best performances. The comment you quoted was about the season as a whole. The comment you've highlighted here is again about the season as a whole. Every one of my comments since yesterday have been about the season as a whole. Twigg's already given you stats above - 4 assists and 2 goals. That's pretty poor. Last season he had 3 goals and 2 assists from 9 less starts so he hasn't even improved his productivity from last year, and his lack of productivity is surely a big part of the reason you said this less than 12 months ago in this same thread?

Pogue Mahone said:
Harsh but fair. One of Fergie's worst signings, especially when you consider the fee/alleged wages.
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We all acknowledge his performances overall are an improvement on last year and he adds balance to the side, but ultimately our wingers are there to provide a goal threat and he's still as poor as he's ever been despite getting in better positions much more often this year.

Twigginater said:
Apparently it is not how the stat works. Which is bizarre.
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So it's bizarre when people say it about Young, but when people say it about di Maria it's fair game? Excellent.
 
For where he's played this year, Young has got a good enough amount of goals and assists. 1 in 3 when he's starting as a winger isn't bad.
 
If only he would learn to look before he crosses and would try to find a teammate because he does all the work before crossing so well. He creates space for himself, he links up well with his LB and even Fellaini, he can dribble. The most important and most decisive thing is missing, an accurate pass because he could have had so many more assists or created much more danger this season.
 
If he was as dangerous going down the line as he is cutting in he'd be a serious player. On the one hand it's a credit to him and on the other it's a sad state of affairs that he's been one of our better players overall this season. He's managed to add a bit of end product recently too which has been important because for most of the season he wasn't creating anything for us despite the plaudits.
 
I don't know where the criticism is coming from. IMO we'd be a lot worse off without a much improved Ashley Young this season. He's provided the ability to take on his man, link up well, and inject pace to our offence. In contrast, our right wing is woeful and shiteous because of Valencia.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
I don't know where the criticism is coming from. IMO we'd be a lot worse off without a much improved Ashley Young this season. He's provided the ability to take on his man, link up well, and inject pace to our offence. In contrast, our right wing is woeful and shiteous because of Valencia.
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i think the point that i and and a few others have, is that young is lucky beyond belief that he even started with united this season. he's been horrible up until this season, yet he and valencia are given opportunity after opportunity after fecking opportunity to make something happen. even a clock is right twice a day, is somewhat apt.

nevertheless, he's been decent this year. nothing more, nothing less. it's just that the ceiling is so low with him, compared to what di maria can potentially bring based on precedent and based on what januzaj has in terms of potential. i don't think we'd be much worse off had di maria or januzaj been afforded those sames minutes that young has received.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
I think to suggest he's poor in places is a little too far. He made the assists yesterday, played very well at times but in some games he gets completely shut out and has little in his toolbox to fix it. That's why for me he's not a regular.
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Sounds more like Fellaini
 
Stretford End Phil said:
Almost, have said the same about Fellaini. Young has improved on previous seasons but even this season he's drifted in games. I just don't think he should be an automatic choice.
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He's the only player we have right now that is taking on and beating players. I can't find much fault in his efforts
 
Stretford End Phil said:
That's true but when he gets shut out the consequences have been dire. It's like the rest of the squad a series of conundrums, which have to be resolved for next season.
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Can't heap much blame on him considering the way teams have been parking the bus against us lately. Which other regulars in the squad have dug out something more when shut out by these tactics?
 
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