I'd worry about CM, Striker, CB, and RB before contemplating of ditching Young. He and Fellaini are important squad players to win the league, or even Europe. We had Blomquist on left wing when we won the treble. And I think Young is better than Blomquist.
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I'd worry about CM, Striker, CB, and RB before contemplating of ditching Young. He and Fellaini are important squad players to win the league, or even Europe. We had Blomquist on left wing when we won the treble. And I think Young is better than Blomquist.
7 goals/assists in the games he has had as an offensive player is absolutely fine for him.
Especially because in so many important games this year he has won us points. Palace when we're worrying about fourth place, he's our best player. Newcastle away before Tottenham/Liverpool/Chelsea games and he pops up with the winner and also gets MOTM. Stoke at home in the season when we need to stop climbing the ranks and he's playing as a left back, in injury time he's clearing shots off the line and saving us.
He's contributed to so many important matches this year. He deserves all the praise he can get, especially as he also missed a bit of the season with an injury
Especially because in so many important games this year he has won us points. Palace when we're worrying about fourth place, he's our best player. Newcastle away before Tottenham/Liverpool/Chelsea games and he pops up with the winner and also gets MOTM. Stoke at home in the season when we need to stop climbing the ranks and he's playing as a left back, in injury time he's clearing shots off the line and saving us.
He's contributed to so many important matches this year. He deserves all the praise he can get, especially as he also missed a bit of the season with an injury
Blomquist hardly ever played in fairness.
Blomqvist played 38 times for United in the treble season. That's not "hardly played"
How many times as a sub?
How many goals and assists did Evra get last season?
He started the final in Barcelona I remember that much!
Edit: 9 of his 38 appearances came off the bench.
1 goal, 5 assists in the Premier League
1 goal, 1 assist in the Champions League
1 goal in the League Cup
1 assist in the Community Shield
3 goals, 7 assists total
I know that my opinion will be a bit weird for some, but Ashley Young being our best player so far, is a very very bad news. I know that from his point of view, it’s just excellent because he has a great impct on the team, in the dressing room, and revealed as a leader… But in an other way, you will never see Pedro as the best player in Barcelona, never see Shaqiri (in his time) for Bayern, or Khedira for Madrid… In big clubs, big player are there and reveal, and this season he was our best player (as outfield player)
I’m sorry, but he was great at Anfield and against a struggling City at home, but he was anonymous at Chelsea and Everton, like the team…. He’s the type of player that will never step higher in big games…
I’m happy for him, but I would rather have Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Van Persie, being our best players than Young, because they are supposed to lead the team to a certain extend in CL next year…
I’m sorry, but he was great at Anfield and against a struggling City at home, but he was anonymous at Chelsea and Everton, like the team…. He’s the type of player that will never step higher in big games…
I’m happy for him, but I would rather have Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, Van Persie, being our best players than Young, because they are supposed to lead the team to a certain extend in CL next year…
I completely agree with you, the United standard has really dropped, we tend to celebrate mediocrity these days, this is something that started after Ronaldo's blockbuster move to Madrid, Fergie has to take some of the blame, Ashley Young has had a magnificent season, probably his personal best but he really shouldn't be a contender for United's POTY based on his performances, we just happen to have a lot of players who are currently under performing which helps to highlight the likes of Young's contributions.
I guess the alternative would be to ramble on about our best players not performing so fans have chosen to praise the slightly above average players for their brilliant performance to promote positivity.
well that's why I included Fellaini (CM) and Valencia (RB) in there too. CB I agree, seems it's high on the list anyway, and while I agree Smalling, Jones and Rojo are not good enough, or injury free enough, collectively to form a partnership at the back, I do think they're good enough to form a foursome of CBs with someone else brought in. striker is also an issue, but Rooney is at least better than the other 4 players I mentioned, even though, ultimately, I agree we ultimately need someone more dynamic and younger up front, particularly to build alongside Depay.
Just forget that he was still playing as an offensive wing back before then and still expected to create stuff, and forgetting that half of his output came in one game in over 20 starts.
It really is not Young`s fault that our "star players" are not performing in a way they should. With all respect for him and Fellaini I agree that they should never be the standout players when you have names like Rooney, di Maria, Falcao, Mata etc. on the team sheet.
Not saying its his fault.
I don't think we should be judging performances on the players name. Young has contributed to the team and we've missed him when he's not been there. We're currently a far better team with him than without him.
I appreciate his performance against Palace. I don't appreciate most of his performances throughout the rest of his games in his nigh on four years here.
Yeah. I remember vividly that he featured in a lot of games that season. He had some fine performances too.
i'd like to state for the record that i have never, ever missed him when he's not been there.
It's a new regime. Rafael was the best RB we had under Fergie's last era, but he couldn't perform under LVG. Thus he's (most probably) out. Januzaj was electrifying under Moses but pants under LVG, then he'll be most likely loaned out.
We should judge players by their performance (and potential) under LVG's era.
that, to me and a number of others, still doesn't count young in. he was pants for most of his previous time here, and now because he's not quite as bad as he was, he's worthy of being a starter for united? i have a problem with that.
again, the amount of lives this guy has is amazing. he shouldn't have been here here come september, but he was. he shouldn't have been in the lineup against crystal palace, but he was, an admittedly he played well. but the previous three matches he was utterly anonymous and for someone as limited as this 29 year old (ie someone who should be at their absolute peak), there really isn't a lot of sense in having him play week in and week out.
Well, there are other players that were pretty anonymous in these last FOUR games. We'd have to change more than half of the team then
.The team has performed better with him this season than without. You must not enjoy Utd winning that much.
People just don't enjoy watching the players they hate have good games, period.
I don't think most are questioning that. The point is we should be looking for even better.
I said before that I think Young would make an excellent sub for us and stand by that. He can actually impact a game unlike everyone currently on our bench but for a starter I'd like someone better than him.
I'm sure we all would like somebody better than him but while he's playing well it doesn't matter whether his name is Ashley Young or Angel Di Maria. I don't think enough people realise that being a better player doesn't necessarily make a better fit for the team.
What a ridiculous statement. I've no hate towards Young and I definitely enjoy when he does something good for the club I support. That and my overall feelings towards his contributions to the club are not mutually exclusive.
I'm not questioning anything to do with his name or who he is. Just that some people have lowered their standards of what we should expect at United.
He's stood out because everyone else has been poor while he's been averagely good. He's earned the right to stay at United (and I definitely want him to after this season), but I think we should be looking at improving there, as it seems we are.
Who's actually done that? I don't see many Utd fans shouting from the rooftops about how good we are. Saying Ashley Young has had a good season isn't lowering standards. It's a reasonable statement. He has had a good season and made as good a contribution to the team as anyone bar De Gea. For a team likely to finish fourth I'd say that qualifies. Nobody's claiming he's up there with Ronaldo. Park wasn't either but you would've been lynched here 5 years ago if you said you didn't rate him.
I'm not going to trawl through posts for this but it's cropped up plenty of times.
On a scale of how many fans we have I doubt it would be very high. The overwhelming majority of people on this forum do nothing but complain about our team.
That wasn't a blanket statement but if the shoe fits....
Pretty sure he's top 10 or 11 in all time premiership assists. Don't know why people pretend that he's not had a great career. Maybe cos they just dont know
and 'not quite as bad' = the best outfield player in a team incl di maria, rooney, herrera, van persie, falcao, mata. All likely on 200,000 / week +. Under a great manager. We shouldn't undersell our own players just because we don't want to look stupid for writing him off
you're right... that's exactly what that means. i don't enjoy united winning.
i agree about underselling our own players. but the top 10 in all time premiership assists? are you serious? ashley young?
He is 10th with 57
i would never in a million years have guessed that. wow.
One step at a time mate. We are far off from european glory. For now he has actually been one of our better players.
I think the point might be, why replace young? Why not replace mata or someone like that who's more fashionable but less effective?
That's not the point either. We're talking about Young here and one is not mutually exclusive of the other anyway.
Again, the point is that while Young has played well in comparison to almost everyone, if he'd done that years ago when we were performing better as a team (which is what we should be aiming for, albeit in a different system) we'd likely have deemed it not good enough. So we shouldn't be settling for that now. I'm not saying stop playing him immediately, because that would be stupid.
Addressing your Mata point, well, he has a higher ceiling than Young, and it's unfair to judge with what's going on around him. Although it does look like he may never fit into this system. That's got nothing to do with this though.
Couldn't have put it better myself. He's the ultimate symbol of mediocrity this club has descended into, well, either him or fellaini.
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