[Walrus]

If he "doesn't always get the final ball right" (which is putting it lightly) then what use is it looking threatening consistently? He consistently gets into good positions and uses the ball poorly, and somehow that's worthy of praise...I find it absolutely incredible. He averages 5 "unsuccessful" crosses per game which puts him in 11th place for the most mishit crosses in the league. Worse than someone like Yannick Bolasie who people regularly criticise for having a poor final ball and use it as a reason for him still being at a midtable club. The only players who cross it more often are Trippier, Downing, Navas, Albrighton, di María, Moses and Tadic, and in terms of end product he's at the same level as Trippier, Albrighton and Victor Moses and a level below Downing, Navas and Tadic.

We used to criticise Nani for far, far, far less. Our standards for good wingplay have dropped to such a low level it's sad.

I was always in the pro-Nani brigade anyway, for what its worth.

"looking threatening" isnt enough by itself of course, my point is simply that its a start. And it is more than what some of the much-lauded superstars have been doing.

Today Young created both of our goals. Prior to today we hadn't scored in 3 games. Obviously that isnt good enough, but I fail to see why the blame should lie with Young rather than Mata, Rooney or Herera, all of whom have essentially provided less than Young over the last month.


If we were banging in goals for fun, and the other players I mentioned (as well as Di Maria) were firing on all cylinders, then I would agree that Young would need to up his game, but at the moment he is the last one of our attacking players that deserves criticism.

 

[Nighteyes]

No, he was criticised for playing shite. It isn't rocket science, this; if a player is good or bad then we call a spade a spade. His previously cowardly attitude and diving wasn't very endearing either.

Criticized for playing shite despite better than most of our other creative players who get away with it.

Posts on how he should be sold when his stock is high when he's the only one giving a feck and trying to mix up things going forward.

Probably the player who gets the most unfair stick on this forum. At least he tries to create eh

 

[montpelier]

Excellent today, best outfield player on the park by a distance.

 

[Kag]

Criticized for playing shite despite better than most of our other creative players who get away with it.

Posts on how he should be sold when his stock is high when he's the only one giving a feck and trying to mix up things going forward.

Probably the player who gets the most unfair stick on this forum. At least he tries to create eh

I was referring to his shite performances prior to this season. His upturn in form recently has quite naturally resulted in a resurgence of popularity.

The stick he was receiving wasn't unfair prior to this season. And the most recent stick, I've been vocal on this, in regards to his direct contribution on the pitch, was also warranted. He changed that today by directly winning a penalty and setting up the winner.

I'm pleased for him. I just think it's weird that the usual suspect(s) on here are using his good form as a means of criticising other posters for previous legitimate criticism.

 

[Nighteyes]

I was referring to his shite performances prior to this season. His upturn in form recently has quite naturally resulted in a resurgence of popularity.

The stick he was receiving wasn't unfair prior to this season. And the most recent stick, I've been vocal on this, in regards to his direct contribution on the pitch, was also warranted. He changed that today by directly winning a penalty and setting up the winner.

I'm pleased for him. I just think it's weird that the usual suspect(s) on here are using his good form as a means of criticising other posters for previous legitimate criticism.

You don't have to look that hard to if you want to see people giving him stick. Last week should be recent enough and the week before that and one before that as well...

People are waiting to for him to have bad games and when he has good ones he they want him sold because his stock is high

 

[Wumminator]

Bula

If he "doesn't always get the final ball right" (which is putting it lightly) then what use is it looking threatening consistently? He consistently gets into good positions and uses the ball poorly, and somehow that's worthy of praise...I find it absolutely incredible. He averages 5 unsuccessful crosses per game (out of 6.7 crosses overall) which puts him in 11th place for the most mishit crosses in the league. Worse than someone like Yannick Bolasie who people regularly criticise for having a poor final ball and use it as a reason for him still being at a midtable club. The only players who cross it more often are Trippier, Downing, Navas, Albrighton, di María, Moses and Tadic, and in terms of end product he's at the same level as Trippier, Albrighton and Moses and a level below Downing, Navas and Tadic.

We used to criticise Nani for far, far, far less. Our standards for good wingplay have dropped to such a low level it's sad.

Sorry Brwned but I'm not having that.

Stats are useful but they're a load of shit for stuff like this. Di Maria might get an assist when Rooney controls the ball out of thin air and smashes it in but Young gets nothing if the keeper stretches to it and it narrowly misses am attackers head. He's been MOTM today, easily for our outfield player.

 

[Randall Flagg]

No, he was criticised for playing shite. It isn't rocket science, this; if a player is good or bad then we call a spade a spade. His previously cowardly attitude and diving wasn't very endearing either.

To be fair I never went overboard on young At all. I always felt he gets a hard time and a lot of the time he was better than was given credit for. He often helped out extremely well defensively but when was short on confidence his attacking game suffered badly at times. The abuse he received was pretty horrible IMO

 

[evra]

Great performance, apart from Fellaini he was the only player that looked at all dangerous.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

If Di Maria had put in a performance like this you wouldn't shut up.

We're talking about him relative to his team mates. And he's looked our most lively attacker since about December.

Oh sod off.

His crossing was sub par, all game. That was as close to a recent di Maria performance as you can get. Take the cross for the penalty, why was it aimed at Dann and not Rooney? The right back had the best of him for ages, which was why Young was forced onto his left foot for large parts. Credit to him that he took advantage when Crystal Palace sniffed blood. Had they not, it would have been another bland Young performance.

 

[Nighteyes]

Oh sod off.

His crossing was sub par, all game. That was as close to a recent di Maria performance as you can get. Take the cross for the penalty, why was it aimed at Dann and not Rooney? The right back had the best of him for ages, which was why Young was forced onto his left foot for large parts. Credit to him that he took advantage when Crystal Palace sniffed blood. Had they not, it would have been another bland Young performance.

It was aimed at Rooney I believe. He was trying to curl it past Dann and onto Rooney's head. Also had a cross towards Mata and then the cross towards Fellaini.

Good going.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

It was aimed at Rooney I believe. He was trying to curl it past Dann and onto Rooney's head. Also had a cross towards Mata and then the cross towards Fellaini.

Good going.

Aimed at Rooney? It went straight to Dann, though. Pretty useless aim. Good of you to point out at his accurate crosses, also nice you missed out the fact that he attempted 10 and 6 failed to reach a man.

 

[Massive Spanner]

He was really poor. People seem to be using his assists today to counter that but Nani used to get lambasted on here for performances like that, where he constantly got into good positions and fecked up or made the wrong choice.

 

[FromTheBench]

He was really poor. People seem to be using his assists today to counter that but Nani used to get lambasted on here for performances like that, where he constantly got into good positions and fecked up or made the wrong choice.

You can't be serious ? Nani never got slated for such a performance with 2 assists And he didn't even feck up situations much on average.

Motm for me just ahead of De Gea.

 

[bugmat]

Was very average the past 3 games but today rediscovered his mojo a bit though didn't make it count enough. The penalty and cross for goal were great but he had that palace RB on toast all game and maybe should have delivered some better crosses first half. Great game overall still.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

He was really poor. People seem to be using his assists today to counter that but Nani used to get lambasted on here for performances like that, where he constantly got into good positions and fecked up or made the wrong choice.

Eh? How do you work that out then?? consistently beat his man and was a great outlet for us on the attack created a 2 goals and very nearly scored as well. I cant see how you come to the conclusion he was poor, ok not everything he tried came off but on the whole he had a great game and was our most threatening player by a mile.

 

[SirAF]

Can't believe Young is getting stick today. He got two assists, and drove their RB nuts - yeah he had a little poor spell in the match but easily the best outfield player for us.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Eh? How do you work that out then?? consistently beat his man and was a great outlet for us on the attack created a 2 goals and very nearly scored as well. I cant see how you come to the conclusion he was poor, ok not everything he tried came off but on the whole he had a great game and was our most threatening player by a mile.

His crossing was absolutely abysmal for the most part after he beat his man though, that's my point.

I simply expect more from a Man Utd winger. I don't see a long term future for him here.

 

[Nighteyes]

Aimed at Rooney? It went straight to Dann, though. Pretty useless aim. Good of you to point out at his accurate crosses, also nice you missed out the fact that he attempted 10 and 6 failed to reach a man.

Doesn't really matter. 1 cross won us a penalty and a second one ended up as a goal courtesy Fellaini. More like 10 crosses and 2 of them resulted in goals. I'll take that all day long.

 

[facund]

He seemed to be the only player willing to hold on to the ball for more than 2 seconds whilst in the attacking third and looked like the only genuine threat we had today and I think the team agreed judging by the amount of times they looked to pick him out. Kept plugging away and trying to be positive and deserved man of the match if only for sheer determination.

His quality will always be questionable but he has really shown desire, commitment and courage sadly lacking all to often with many of his team-mates this season and he hasn't shied away from responsibility.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Thought some of his crosses were either a bit rushed, or blocked, as Palace pressed us hard all day. It's not like he had all th etime in the world and then delivered a shit cross into nowhere. Some of the criticism is a bit harsh, considering many others were well below par.

 

[Massive Spanner]

For the record I agree he was probably our best outfield player today, but that doesn't say much. I just can't ever watch Young play and think that there's a player worthy of being on the wings for us. He's not good enough.

 

[RetroStu]

Some of his crosses were poor but feck me, he put in the effort and work. He must of touched the ball twice as many times as the next Utd player.

 

[Sied]

My MOTM. I think this philosophy is missing a little bit of stick the ball in the danger area sometimes.

 

[RetroStu]

For the record I agree he was probably our best outfield player today, but that doesn't say much. I just can't ever watch Young play and think that there's a player worthy of being on the wings for us. He's not good enough.

If you think young is not good enough for us (and i'm not saying i disagree) then i'd shudder to know what you think of some of our other players.

 

[ottosec]

I didn't think his performance was anything special today, average at best.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Doesn't really matter. 1 cross won us a penalty and a second one ended up as a goal courtesy Fellaini. More like 10 crosses and 2 of them resulted in goals. I'll take that all day long.

Oh yeah me too, buddy. Something I've argued in the di Maria thread. It's about results, and Young delivered that with the shoddy cross for the penalty and a good one for Fellaini. Overall, I just thought it was a performance almost identical to much maligned di Maria performance against Liverpool. Poor passing, both utilised their pace well, inconsistent crosses, yet both created a penalty and assisted a goal. I gave Young a 6/10; like I said, it wasn't a great performance, it was a efficient one and one which requires improvement if he is to continue starting, next season.

 

[Massive Spanner]

If you think young is not good enough for us (and i'm not saying i disagree) then i'd shudder to know what you think of some of our other players.

I've never considered him good enough for us. He's just playing well for the first time in three fecking years every now and again.

Valencia was the only other starter tonight that I don't think is good enough for us going forward. It doesn't help them that they're both nearly 30, mind.

 

[RetroStu]

I've never considered him good enough for us. He's just playing well for the first time in three fecking years every now and again.

Valencia was the only other starter tonight that I don't think is good enough for us going forward. It doesn't help them that they're both nearly 30, mind.

What about Evans?

 

[Massive Spanner]

What about Evans?

He didn't start

 

[Amar__]

He was lucky today same as di Maria was lucky with some of his crosses people are accusing Angel of, because that cross was Young's usual overhit cross that would end up out of play or in this case in keeper's hands if their defence didn't make the comedy out of it(or if Falcao didn't foul their player). Usual Young's performance, only thing that I always like about him is his attitude and character, but he definitely lacks quality to be starter for us. But then so are few other players.

 

[Nighteyes]

Oh yeah me too, buddy. Something I've argued in the di Maria thread. It's about results, and Young delivered that with the shoddy cross for the penalty and a good one for Fellaini. Overall, I just thought it was a performance almost identical to much maligned di Maria performance against Liverpool. Poor passing, both utilised their pace well, inconsistent crosses, yet both created a penalty and assisted a goal. I gave Young a 6/10; like I said, it wasn't a great performance, it was a efficient one and one which requires improvement if he is to continue starting, next season.

That's fair enough.

I'd settle for Di Maria and Young on the wings for next season.

 

[VeevaVee]

His crossing was terrible at times. I like him because he's quite often the only one that seems to provide any kind of threat. I do however think he's substitute material in the longer run. Substitutes should be able to provide an impact, which none of them do at the moment, but he could do just that. We've let our standards drop if you think he's plenty good enough, but it's far from a priority position.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

That's fair enough.

I'd settle for Di Maria and Young on the wings for next season.

With Depay, too. We should be sorted on the wings, now.

 

[Borys]

He was lucky today same as di Maria was lucky with some of his crosses people are accusing Angel of, because that cross was Young's usual overhit cross that would end up out of play or in this case in keeper's hands if their defence didn't make the comedy out of it(or if Falcao didn't foul their player). Usual Young's performance, only thing that I always like about him is his attitude and character, but he definitely lacks quality to be starter for us. But then so are few other players.

Yeah, that's how I see it. He should get some sort of award for his attitude this season.

 

[NinjaFletch]

He was lucky today same as di Maria was lucky with some of his crosses people are accusing Angel of, because that cross was Young's usual overhit cross that would end up out of play or in this case in keeper's hands if their defence didn't make the comedy out of it(or if Falcao didn't foul their player). Usual Young's performance, only thing that I always like about him is his attitude and character, but he definitely lacks quality to be starter for us. But then so are few other players.

Came here to say this but you beat me to it.

Wasn't terrible but its the exact reason why he's not good enough to start for us.

 

[204Red]

I can't believe Young is taking stick after that game.

For most of the match he was the ONLY player who offered something going forward.

2 Assists and MOTM for me... (only DeGea and him emerge from that mess with any credit- maybe Afro man for scoring the winner... but that's it)

Is he our best player?, hell no... but to bash him after he showed up to play in what was basically a MUST win game for 4th place is pretty churlish.

 

[PlayerOne]

I've never considered him good enough for us. He's just playing well for the first time in three fecking years every now and again.

Valencia was the only other starter tonight that I don't think is good enough for us going forward. It doesn't help them that they're both nearly 30, mind.

Agree with this. Young is having a good season but we need to look further ahead and there's where Depay comes in.

 

[Bloxy]

I've never considered him good enough for us. He's just playing well for the first time in three fecking years every now and again.

Valencia was the only other starter tonight that I don't think is good enough for us going forward. It doesn't help them that they're both nearly 30, mind.

well you've made up your mind about him before today then.

he was the only player to who took other players on, and did it 3 -4 times.
One assist, a few crosses and our only threat today.

 

[VeevaVee]

I can't believe Young is taking stick after that game.

For most of the match he was the ONLY player who offered something going forward.

2 Assists and MOTM for me... (only DeGea and him emerge from that mess with any credit- maybe Afro man for scoring the winner... but that's it)

Is he our best player?, hell no... but to bash him after he showed up to play in what was basically a MUST win game for 4th place is pretty churlish.

Because he was one of the better players he can't be criticized at all? People can't say they don't actually think he should be the standard we aim for?
I've praised him a lot this season but we should be striving to get back to the point where he's substitute quality at best.

 

[Bloxy]

Came here to say this but you beat me to it.

Wasn't terrible but its the exact reason why he's not good enough to start for us.

today he was our best chance of getting a goal, and our best player on the pitch bar DDG. People like you hold on to some old shit.