Australia's bowling has been very good this series. Add Cummins into the mix and it's looking rosy on that front.
Ashes I - 2013 - In England
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Looks a good Cricket wicket this.
I think it's in the balance as it looks hard-ish to score. 400 would be a good knock, work to do.
I think it's in the balance as it looks hard-ish to score. 400 would be a good knock, work to do.
every time 
(little g!)Bird should have played the entire series. He's that extra 'tight' bowler that Starc isn't.
The convicts are well behind with their over rate. Blatant time wasting. Need to stamp this out with hefty fines IMO
Well that was a bit shit.
Could make less than 300 easily here.
Could make less than 300 easily here.
bell you fecking twat.Lyon wickets on day one are like gold. Called it.....
Ghaliboy are you ten years old?
That shot gets worse every time I see it.
Kiss of death...
I fancy these two for a big partnership here.
I fancy these two for a big partnership here.
Another inept batting display from England, or should we be calling it par for the course now?
No.
Haddin.. Knob
Pretty sure we are still batting mate.
We might score 500 yet
Won't happen. Our tail will probably post us a respectable score but the top order fails far too often. It's just not working at all at the moment but I don't know what we can do to change it.
Drop Bairstow, demote Root back to middle order, get back Compton or any other opener you've.
Root was prematurely promoted to open IMO.
There's nothing wrong with the order, or the players playing.
We're 2-0 up in an Ashes series, but even aside from that, there are just some proven top players out of nick....It happens.
Chill FFS. Root scored 180 a few weeks ago, and now he's not good enough yet?
We're 2-0 up in an Ashes series, but even aside from that, there are just some proven top players out of nick....It happens.
Chill FFS. Root scored 180 a few weeks ago, and now he's not good enough yet?
I don't think Compton is good enough but would definitely drop Bairstow. I think we will stick with him for the rest of the series now though and see how he does as the results aren't hugely important. I do like Root and we'll need to be patient with him, still very young.
Not saying Root isn't good enough, obviously he's, but he's still very young and needs to acclimatize to test cricket first rather than being promoted to open so early in his career.
Dropping Bairstow is the only real change that needs to be made.
Cook and Trott just aren't batting that well, and Root is still young. Just have to wait it out and hope things change.
Cook and Trott just aren't batting that well, and Root is still young. Just have to wait it out and hope things change.
I think the top order is as good as we can get. It's just under-performing, currently. Dropping Bairstow won't make any difference to that.
I agree with that, but I just don't think Bairstow is good enough.
Probably not. You thinking Taylor?
oh ffs!
16 runs of the last 10 overs.
I'm glad I'm not watching this...
16 runs of the last 10 overs.
I'm glad I'm not watching this...
Interesting test match cricket?
Great days play so far.
Great days play so far.
Why the moaning about run rate? It's a fecking test match
I can't see them dropping Bairstow when virtually all the other batsmen other than Bell have been just as bad or worse, it's a bit awkward actually as if he does get a good knock he'll probably secure himself into the team for the return series. Eventually there might be a test player there but he rarely looks comfortable and although he's got a reputation as a big hitter he rarely scores quickly for England - albeit he rarely comes in to a pressure free situation.
^ Complaints about run rate are legitimate when England are at a situation of 188-5 (not pinned back from great bowling by the most part), cautious batting is all well and good if you actually stay in, but its a bit pointless if you get 10 from 60 and then get out.
^ Complaints about run rate are legitimate when England are at a situation of 188-5 (not pinned back from great bowling by the most part), cautious batting is all well and good if you actually stay in, but its a bit pointless if you get 10 from 60 and then get out.
I think if we want him in the team, right now, he should swap places with Prior.
I am not following you. If you get out, then 10 from 20 is no better than 10 from 60. The top order hasn't been in the greatest of nick and the beauty of test matches is that allows you the time to get your from back.
But for the most part the wickets come from pressure building by the slow scoring which gives bowlers confidence, means Clarke sets more aggressive fields, and eventually pressure shows and someone makes a stupid shot. England too often end up in this shut up shop mentality in the final session, I mean its a 1/3 of the day and the run game after game slows to about 1 an over. 0.60 in the last 10 overs! Fair enough Bell getting out put some pressure on them but at the current rate they'll have to batting for 2 days to get scarcely over 400...
I take into account the poor form but its virtually every game this happens now, I can't help but feel a lot of these players are hindered by seemingly a tactic to bat so defensively which goes against a lot of their natural instincts - Cook and Trott aside. There's a happy medium to be found between one day batting and deathly slow eating up a huge amount of overs and still only managing modest scores. They'll struggle for 300 here.
The dicking around there with DRS was ridiculous, obvious Prior hadn't hit it so why did they spend 5 mins looking at the fact he hadn't? Just needless time out of the game.
England well behind, haven't won a day for 6 days.
England well behind, haven't won a day for 6 days.
Australia have in general won more days and sessions than England really. England have actually for the most part been quite poor this series, Anderson and Swann at various points, and Bell for most innings aside, no one else has really put in the level expected of them. Doesn't help of course that continually the first innings has been atrocious.
Certainly wouldn't put money on England retaining the Ashes in Australia on current form.
Certainly wouldn't put money on England retaining the Ashes in Australia on current form.
Lucky that's even umpires call tbh. Looked to be going on to hit middle of middle.
Engand's middle order has been poor all series, have to question Bairstow for the next test.
Prior looks out of touch too.
Don't know why they don't look at Carberry to open and drop Root down to number 6.
Prior looks out of touch too.
Don't know why they don't look at Carberry to open and drop Root down to number 6.
This is as tame a capitulation as I can remember in a long time from an England term, absolutely abysmal.
I absolutely agree.
The pitch hasn't done much. Test Cricket or not, but the run rate of 2.43 is abysmal particularly if you've lost 8 wickets.
England will win the Ashes in Australia, 3-1 I reckon.
They do fine when they have a challenge, getting to number 1, going to Australia and winning, going to India and winning etc.. its when they get complacent that they get fecked around e.g. the humiliation in the UAE. The only real exception being South Africa, but they're just a better side and England had internal problems.
That's why they're such an annoying side, because they're not hopeless cricketers like in the 90s they're just one of the most defensive, complacent teams around. Id love to see Flower sent on his own way and Gary Kristen given a go, Flowers been brilliant, but I think its got stale.
They do fine when they have a challenge, getting to number 1, going to Australia and winning, going to India and winning etc.. its when they get complacent that they get fecked around e.g. the humiliation in the UAE. The only real exception being South Africa, but they're just a better side and England had internal problems.
That's why they're such an annoying side, because they're not hopeless cricketers like in the 90s they're just one of the most defensive, complacent teams around. Id love to see Flower sent on his own way and Gary Kristen given a go, Flowers been brilliant, but I think its got stale.
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The team mirror it's own captain IMO. Cook is defensive that's why the team is defensive.
And I won't be sure about the Ashes in Australia.
Will be interesting to see how Australia get on with the bat. No county team has made more than 250 on this pitch this season apparently.
Really useful runs from Swann and these two.