Ashes I - 2013 - In England

ha_rooney said:
Not been able to watch the game today. Is the Aussie collapse due to great bowling or shit batting? Pitch was very flat yesterday, how the feck are they 94/6??
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Not just atrocious batting, but poor decision making all round. Profligate use of the DRS (again) and then that run-out just sums it all up.

from the BBC - "So Australia lost six wickets for just 54 runs during that afternoon session. Only Steve Smith, who copped a corker from Graeme Swann, can feel as though he didn't play a major role in his own downfall."

Normally I'd be unhappy about such poor performance - I want to beat the Aussies when they're good, as we did in 2005 - but having had to endure England throughout the 90s, I am very much enjoying this.
 
Can you imagine the Aussie quicks opinion of their batsmen right now? Bowl all day yesterday in 30 degrees,then get carted all over the field for an hour this morning, must of been looking forward to a nice rest this afternoon & evening at least :lol:
 
shaggy said:
We may as well enforce the follow on. They are in disarray.
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The problem is what if the Aussies somehow get their act together during the follow on innings, bat through 2 days or more, scoring 600 runs and declaring with England needing 400+ to win on a day 4/5 Lord's pitch, which was already showing signs of crumbling this morning

Edit: Not saying this WILL happen, but its what Cook will be thinking
 
Well given the last wicket partnerships so far the 50 runs needed to avoid the follow on are pretty much guaranteed...

No chance England will follow on, they'll look to build a huge lead (with a poor start where we lose a couple of early wickets leading to a period of extremely slow scoring that frustrates everyone) but ultimately getting up to a score of around 300 and a total target of around 500.
 
EvilChuck said:
The problem is what if the Aussies somehow get their act together during the follow on innings, bat through 2 days or more, scoring 600 runs and declaring with England needing 400+ to win on a day 4/5 Lord's pitch, which was already showing signs of crumbling this morning

Edit: Not saying this WILL happen, but its what Cook will be thinking
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I can't see them getting their act together in such a short space of time. They're all over the place.
 
EvilChuck said:
The problem is what if the Aussies somehow get their act together during the follow on innings, bat through 2 days or more, scoring 600 runs and declaring with England needing 400+ to win on a day 4/5 Lord's pitch, which was already showing signs of crumbling this morning

Edit: Not saying this WILL happen, but its what Cook will be thinking
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IF they do that, they fully deserve the draw the test.
Its only slightly less likely they do that in a 4th innings.

On form and talent of both teams, both options highly highly highly unlikely. England have every right to feel confident, back their bowlers and make the aggressive call.
 
Swann drops an easy one from Harris. Another tenth wicket partnership forming here?
 
Its almost a complete 180 degree role reversal vs 12-15 years ago. Aus are as shit as England are good.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Agreed, in any rate talk of it is far too early. Clarke, Smith and Haddin are the 3 Aussie players I would back to do well in this situation.
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NinjaFletch said:
World class mockers :lol:

Oh well, Clarke looks in world class nick, no way he'll throw his wicket away here.
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NinjaFletch said:
I'm still expecting Australia to put on a good score, though, the batsmen to come are in excellent nick.
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c NinjaFletch b England

Happy to be of service.
 
I'd honestly enforce the follow on right now
 
128 All Out. Oh dear.

We'll bat again without too much pressure, hopefully put another 250-300 on the lead to give us an unassailable 500 run lead with two days to bowl them out. That's the hope anyway. Good chance for some of our top order to knock themselves into good form.

KM said:
I'd honestly enforce the follow on right now
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As tempting as that is for a quick win. The only way I could see us not winning this match is if we force them to follow on and they go on to rack up a big score on a very battable pitch, leaving us to chase a total on a now crumbling surface. Not worth the risk IMO.
 
KM said:
I'd honestly enforce the follow on right now
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I don't think there's any need to really, the opening batsmen with the exception of Bell could all do with getting some runs so it's a good idea to give them an innings and give them that chance whilst the Oz confidence will be low, the bowlers will need a rest to especially considering there was only 3 days in between the test. I'd go out and bat, hope the openers and Pietersen get some big runs and then give them a couple days to bowl the Aussies out, I doubt they will all rediscover their form looked awful today, the only one you'd say is unlucky is Rodgers but that was again because of stupid decisions with their referals.
 
:lol: Went out to enjoy the sun and come back to this :lol:, I'd enforce the follow-on because there must be about 7-8 guys who don't want bat again today.
 
Australia's fielding is almost as bad as their bating.

What is Haddin even wearing gloves for if he's gonna do that?
 
For once I agree with not enforcing the follow on. As Tom Fordyce says:

"No-one would want to bat last on this turning track; it's blisteringly hot, in the second of back-to-back Tests, so his bowlers need a rest; and finally and most importantly, Australia's best chance of somehow pulling off a win from this dire position was if they followed on."

Basically, Swan just got a fiver-fer on day 2. He must be dreaming of what he's going to be able to do on Sunday. All we need to do is score 100 and the job's done.

The only problem is, we wil no doubt wait until we have about 300 on the board to declare. If we don't have an early collapse, by tomorrow lunchtim England fans will be desperately hoping for wickets to fall!
 
NinjaFletch said:
Australia's fielding is almost as bad as their bating.

What is Haddin even wearing gloves for if he's gonna do that?
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This day just gets better. To top it off, just switched off work laptop, went to the fridge and discovered cold beer I didn't know was in there. Get in!
 
Sir A1ex said:
The only problem is, we wil no doubt wait until we have about 300 on the board to declare. If we don't have an early collapse, by tomorrow lunchtim England fans will be desperately hoping for wickets to fall!
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Tomorrow is only the 3rd day. It'll be no problem for England to bat the entire day if necessary. Aus are not going to last 2 full days batting - if they did, they'd deserve the draw.
 
Great decision to follow on then?

Hope Root and Pieterson can get 'some runs to help get them into form', which for me can be the only reason for not enforcing the follow on.
 
sammsky1 said:
Great decision to follow on then?

Hope Root and Pieterson can get 'some runs to help get them into form', which for me can be the only reason for not enforcing the follow on.
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Batting again was so obviously the right decision.

Graeme Swann was getting turn and bounce on day 2, the fourth innings is going to be the only innings where batting will actually be hard.
 
sammsky1 said:
Great decision to follow on then?

Hope Root and Pieterson can get 'some runs to help get them into form', which for me can be the only reason for not enforcing the follow on.
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Swann will bowl them out in no time. They'll give themselves two days to bowl Aus out which will be more than enough.
 
What the hell are you guys worried of? There's no way in hell Australia can chase anything over 250-300 or survive over 4-5 sessions. This game is over.
 
Not worried for England. I just think they should smash the Aus confidence and go for all out humiliation. Follow on does that.

England will post a minmum 450 target and there is a 99% chance Aus cant get it. But nothing humiliates a team having to follow on and then lose by and inning or 9 or 10 wickets.

Anyway, Im arguing bollox as the decision has been made.
 
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