Arturo Vidal

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Offside said:
I honestly believe you are getting mixed up between their actual reporting and their transfer clockwatch. I am not like a little child. just because I am treating something like gospel doesn't make me a gullable lunatic. Sky report accurate information all the time. Are you seriously telling me if they have a story tomorrow saying ''Sky Sources believe Arturo Vidal is set for united medical tomorrow'' it will be just as reliable as the Daily Mail who have said it is done and off many times. If they said that, then the medical would take place. Because they provide correct information.

That's all I'll say mate. Not sure why you are so sceptical of a 100% trustworthy source. It's like you think actually believing something makes you 'a little child'
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I'm not getting mixed up with anything. "Sky Sources" is basically what's in the papers. It's staggering that you don't grasp this.

As has already been pointed out to you, they report two types of things "Sky Sources" which is basically what's in the open press and what everyone else is reporting. And "Breaking News", which is stuff that has been made official. That's what they report, and everything you see there will already be reported elsewhere. They're a news station, that's it. They report sports news. It's like you saying you only believe Sky News for what's happening in Gaza, when everything that's happened in Gaza will be reported elsewhere before (or at best at the same time) as it's reported on Sky News.

They don't break news, they report news that's already been broken. The only way you'll see a transfer story broken on Sky Sports News is if you're not on the Internet and are watching it exclusively, and by then everyone will know before you.
 
Offside said:
My original post was stating that I am sceptical about Vidal because Sky haven't reporting what every other outlet is saying.
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They can't though, because they'll only report it when it's done and everyone knows it's done, or is being reported as at the point of no return, done.
 
Adnan said:
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He does have a point anti-muppets. Why would Vidal come out and claim United are one of the biggest clubs and also claim he would be alright if the United option fell through. People claim it is to engineer a better contract but he just signed one last season so it doesn't make sense. Juve don't seem to be in a position to offer better terms either. Vidal saying no no was not really assertive and taken out of context when it really looked as though he was just trying to awkwardly shake off the journalist. If he really signs a new contract after all this, I am sure Juventus fans and Juventus themselves would be least pleased about it. The only reason why some of us are optimistic is the fact that Juventus do not seem to come out firmly and say He is not for sale, period. They make statements like he needs to say he is unhappy etc which is really unnecessary...

From Vidal's point of view, he has acheived just about everything he can at Juventus winning three scudettos in a row and a champions league win looks unlikely in the near future. Conte has left and Juventus do not exactly seem ambitious in the transfer market do they? They seem to have missed out on the likes of Sanchez and Iturbe as well. He is 27 years old, potentially looking for a new challenge given the circumstances at Juve and also looking for a final big contact of his career. United need a midfielder desperately, Juventus hardly seem to be giving any strong assurances that he will stay and Vidal looks like he wants a move. None of them have truly put this to bed, Juventus repeatedly claiming (half-heartedly at that) that he is not for sale unless he is unhappy really doesn't give Juve fans any sort of confidence does it?

I really hope we can get him, but if we don't get him then fine. We will move onto another target and I am not going to be questioning LVG. But its the 'watch this space' from Ed which really seems like a bloody teaser. I know he claimed he will only make a move for it if LVG sanctions it and we all know how much LVG appreciates Vidal and how Ed said we aren't averse to making a big transfer bid. Surely he couldn't have said that just to appease fans on a short term basis. It could be disastrous for him in the future. It all just adds up to Vidal probably coming here no matter how much I try to convince myself otherwise...
 
The Neviller said:
I'm not getting mixed up with anything. "Sky Sources" is basically what's in the papers. It's staggering that you don't grasp this.

As has already been pointed out to you, they report two types of things "Sky Sources" which is basically what's in the open press and what everyone else is reporting. And "Breaking News", which is stuff that has been made official. That's what they report, and everything you see there will already be reported elsewhere. They're a news station, that's it. They report sports news. It's like you saying you only believe Sky News for what's happening in Gaza, when everything that's happened in Gaza will be reported elsewhere before (or at best at the same time) as it's reported on Sky News.

They don't break news, they report news that's already been broken. The only way you'll see a transfer story broken on Sky Sports News is if you're not on the Internet and are watching it exclusively, and by then everyone will know before you.
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But that takes me back to the point where I said they haven't even commented on anything. For example the Mata transfer:









They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal and they are willing to listen for offers, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this like they did with Mata news? I probably think because Vidal news isn't genuine like Mata was.
 
Baxter said:
It quite clearly was coming from our club. It's as close to an official denial, without Woodward or Van Gaal saying we don't want him, as you can get. It doesn't mean it's true, but it is stuff being fed straight from United.
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Can you remind me when we denied any interest in him? Did it happen in the past 48 hours? Genuine question.
 
Offside said:
But that takes me back to the point where I said they haven't even commented on anything. For example the Mata transfer:









They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal and they are willing to listen for offers, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this like they did with Mata news? I probably think because Vidal news isn't genuine like Mata was.
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They don't need to report news unless they are certain that their sources are accurate. They don't need to take risks for one simple reason, they're such a big and well established business that they don't need to take risks on stories to uphold their reputation.
 
They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this?[/QUOTE]
@Offside Which newspaper ? Most newspaper here (UK) are denying we are interested, reports from Italy suggest that his agent will hold talks with the club tomorrow with a offer from big club or clubs.
 
Offside said:
But that takes me back to the point where I said they haven't even commented on anything. For example the Mata transfer:









They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal and they are willing to listen for offers, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this like they did with Mata news? I probably think because Vidal news isn't genuine like Mata was.
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Mata transfer was between two domestic clubs

With the Vidal speculation we should pay more attention to Sky Italy.
 
GDaly95 said:
They don't need to report news unless they are certain that their sources are accurate. They don't need to take risks for one simple reason, they're such a big and well established business that they don't need to take risks on stories to uphold their reputation.
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Well exactly, and the reason they aren't touching the Vidal news is probably because it is paper bullshit.
 
Adnan said:
Mata transfer was between two domestic clubs

With the Vidal speculation we should pay more attention to Sky Italy.
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They've always lied though haven't they? Countless times saying Sneijder was a done deal.

 
Offside said:
Well exactly, and the reason they aren't touching the Vidal news is probably because it is paper bullshit.
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You answered your question yourself, if there is any interest it's in early stage and Sky are not getting involved.
 
Adnan said:
The Agent fees cost us the Sneijder transfer is what I read.
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Yeah I suppose that was a daft tweet to post, got it from nowhere. But I don't think Sky Italia have ever been that reliable from my memory of years of transfer windows.
 
Offside said:
But that takes me back to the point where I said they haven't even commented on anything. For example the Mata transfer:









They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal and they are willing to listen for offers, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this like they did with Mata news? I probably think because Vidal news isn't genuine like Mata was.
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Sky Sources is what is in the papers. They reported the Herrera deal hours after everyone else. And all that Mata stuff was reported elsewhere before Sky reported it.

As for Vidal, the British press aren't currently reporting much, if anything at all, with regards Vidal. They're not being told anything this season it seems, so Sky have nothing to report. Their Italian wing are reporting plenty though, which is where the papers reporting it are based.
 
The Neviller said:
Sky Sources is what is in the papers. They reported the Herrera deal hours after everyone else. And all that Mata stuff was reported elsewhere before Sky reported it.

As for Vidal, the British press aren't currently reporting much, if anything at all, with regards Vidal. They're not being told anything this season it seems, so Sky have nothing to report. Their Italian wing are reporting plenty though, which is where the papers reporting it are based.
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Well, come on. Mirror, Mail, Independant, Guardian have all had a good few articles saying it is 'done'

I do take your point though, finally :)

The papers haven't really reported anything with any substance, so yes that is probably why Sky haven't touched it yet.
 
Just what the world needed, an explanation of the machinations of the media by fevered muppets.
 
The Herrera bid last year was reported first by Cadena Cope. And when he was eventually signed it was reported by Cadena Ser before any of the mainstream British media could even get a sniff.
 
Baxter said:
Tweets by various journalists around July 15 and 16.
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Are these journalists who tweeted working for the same papers that have said we are on and off the Vidal interest for the following 2 weeks? Within 2 days the tabloids went from Vidal being off due to his denial in the airport back to "It is so back on". The tabloids genuinely don't have a firm clue what is going on right now. The most likely source of news we shall receive will be tomorrow where Marotta will discuss with Vidal's agent what the best outcome is for each party, and that should be what people should be interested in, not a president coming saying "ifs" and "buts" with no solid confirmation. I don't believe for a second all these journalists know much of what we are doing, as they couldn't even predict when Luke Shaw was coming (saying it was happening just days after the season ended when it took until after the World Cup to happen) nor did they even latch onto the Herrera deal at all until the last minute.
 
Offside said:
But that takes me back to the point where I said they haven't even commented on anything. For example the Mata transfer:

They are following the saga step by step. The newspapers are reporting we have bid for Vidal and they are willing to listen for offers, why aren't Sky Sources reporting this like they did with Mata news? I probably think because Vidal news isn't genuine like Mata was.
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Or because it's easy for SS to get stories from Chelsea, since they're UK based and leakier than pretty much any other club out there.

The Italian press are the ones keeping the Vidal saga alive, and they have plenty of grubby fingers in Juve's steamy hot pies.
 
Yeahh, I'm now muppeting out of this one after reading Van Gaal's comments recently. Don't see us buying many more players let alone one of Vidal's quality. Best of luck muppets who are still sticking.
 
Red Shorts said:
Yeahh, I'm now muppeting out of this one after reading Van Gaal's comments recently. Don't see us buying many more players let alone one of Vidal's quality. Best of luck muppets who are still sticking.
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Van Gaal's comments would lead you to belief there will be more signings.
 
Red Shorts said:
Yeahh, I'm now muppeting out of this one after reading Van Gaal's comments recently. Don't see us buying many more players let alone one of Vidal's quality. Best of luck muppets who are still sticking.
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Wouldn't Van Gaal's comments about only really top quality signings being made gel quite well with the idea of signing Vidal? Presumably the threads people should be muppeting out of are for the likes of Blind, Depay, Vermaelen etc.
 
Adnan said:
That's a good question, I think the Juve fans maybe suffering alittle bit more.
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I reckon they feel bad enough that they've ended up with Allegri. Imagine how they'd feel if their best player leaves too.
 
Shane88 said:
Juve fans have it tougher. They're worried about losing one of the best midfielders in the world.

We're used to the disappointment of losing out after these long sagas.
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Poor them. They only have Pirlo, Pogba and Marchisio in midfield if Vidal goes. Maybe we should lend them Anderson and Fellaini.

I wouldn't feel sorry for them. They got a lot of bargains in the transfer window in recent seasons.
 
YzWayne said:
Is it tougher to be a Juv fan or a Utd fan for this long saga?
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Suffering isn't rational. If it was, though, then we're suffering worse. If they lose Vidal they still have Pogba, Pirlo, Marchisio, and probably a big pile of Chevrolet cash via us. Boo hoo.
 
Offside said:
Van Gaal's comments would lead you to belief there will be more signings.
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Brightonian said:
Wouldn't Van Gaal's comments about only really top quality signings being made gel quite well with the idea of signing Vidal? Presumably the threads people should be muppeting out of are for the likes of Blind, Depay, Vermaelen etc.
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I'm not quite sure I got the full quotes, but didn't he say something about not buying for the sake of it? If he said buying only really top quality signings then I may muppet back in, but the quotes I saw were not buying for the sake of it, which felt that he would focus more on buying a holding midfielder like Strootman to play behind the 2 midfielders ahead of him, which look to be Herrera and Mata. Vidal would be better as one of the players in front of the holding midfielders as he runs around the pitch to no ends, much like Herrera. Maybe I am reading too much into those comments and trying to connect the dots, but I just feel that Strootman would be a likelier buy, even if there is a big announcement that Vidal will in fact leave in tomorrow's news. If he is then I really hope we step up our pursuit, not only for the sake of getting possibly the best CM in the world, but because if he does leave then it could very well be for the likes of City.
 
Baxter said:
I reckon they feel bad enough that they've ended up with Allegri. Imagine how they'd feel if their best player leaves too.
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Losing Conte, followed by the appointment of the Italian David Moyes and then to compound matters further lose the symbol of your club.

I guess that would be pretty bad to deal with...
 
YzWayne said:
Is it tougher to be a Juv fan or a Utd fan for this long saga?
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We have a history of muppet meltdowns though, our hearts were broken again and again

They would still have a very capable midfield for the domestic arena - not that they competed for CL for quite some time anyway.
 
Adnan said:
Losing Conte, followed by the appointment of the Italian David Moyes and then to compound matters further lose the symbol of your club.

I guess that would be pretty bad to deal with...
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Atleast Allegri has won a league title. I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be. Don't know what people expected him to do at Milan after Ibra and Silva were sold.
 
Bojan11 said:
Atleast Allegri has won a league title. I don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be. Don't know what people expected him to do at Milan after Ibra and Silva were sold.
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Maybe I was being harsh on Allegri, my apologies to the Juve fans who are following our thread.
 
YzWayne said:
Is it tougher to be a Juv fan or a Utd fan for this long saga?
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Juve are in a difficult situation right now with an extremely old first eleven. Pogba and Asamoah are the only players from the first eleven below 27 so they will need to replace up to 9 first team members within 5 years.

They really can't afford that without selling Vidal considering how tightly they've spent lately.
 
Juv fans - One of the best midfielder might be leaving and with the new manager in charge, more uncertainty around their club. However, they have been adding to their squads recently though not knowing the real impact of these new players. They will feel anguish if Vidal does leave but with Pogba and the rest still hovering around the squad, it is not as bad as it seems.

Utd fans - Compare to Juv, our midfield includes the likes(dislikes) of anderson, fellaini, cleverley and fletcher which are deemed not good enough. For ages our fans have been hoping for additions to the midfield area, Herrera was a very good start but we all knows it is not good enough and now with the link to Vidal, we muppets are poised for another suicide if the deal don't go through.

All in all, i feel it is tougher for utd fans because we seen players like kroos, cesc and many others not coming to our club and we are afraid Vidal is just another one adding to our transfer misery. Although i have no qualms if LVG decide not to go after Vidal, but muppets like me dream too much at times and we all know the consequences if our dreams eventually remains a dream.
 
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