You see it's from Gazetto Dello Sport and you'd think, they might have some info and there could be some semblance of truth in it. Then you see them mention £24m as the price and you realise that someone is being paid money to pull rumours from their arse.
Arturo Vidal
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Available for only 24 million
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...et-Arturo-Vidal-available-for-24m-this-summer
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...et-Arturo-Vidal-available-for-24m-this-summer
The reports are saying that Vidal will be available for a cut price deal but I wouldn't care too much about the money. If Vidal is available at all in the first place, it should spark us into action no matter how much Juventus are asking. A cut price deal would be a bonus.
Got to be something to Big Louie's verbal wanking off of Vidal the other week. He's like Mourinho in the sense that there's always something to his words. He's not one to slap someone on the back for shits and giggles. If he's available we have to go for him.
I especially like the bit where he essentially says 'Juve will accept a cut-price deal... because they need money.'
Need money. Sell player for less than half his actual value. Suuuure.
Sorry lads, there's absolutely no way he's available, not even for the massive sum he's actually worth.
Need money. Sell player for less than half his actual value. Suuuure.
Sorry lads, there's absolutely no way he's available, not even for the massive sum he's actually worth.
£24m is a decent amount for an Italian side. It's more than 10% of the entire club revenue
And by that logic, £50m - which they could get for him if it became known he was genuinely available - would be more than 20%. Why would they so dramatically undersell one of the best and most admired midfielders in the world?
Because you touch yourself at night. Its all your fault.
I think your right in saying he is not available but I do think their could be some sense in Juventus' actions if they sell Vidal. At the moment they have a very strong midfield but if they feel that Pogba will be their main CM then if they sell Vidal they will be able to raise funds to strengthen other areas like the wing (Alexis Sanchez) or other positions they feel needs strengthening. I wouldn't rule out Vidal leaving but it is unlikely.
If someone needs money for whatever reason, selling assets off for less than ordinary market value is common. It's how the 'needing money' things work. If you need money you don't hold out for the best possible price. Otherwise you clearly wouldn't need it that much in the first place.
Because they may need the money?
You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how people/businesses/clubs act when in need of cash. His true valuation may well be higher but if clubs are aware of Juventus' hypothetical need for money, they wouldn't touch that price and Juventus would know it.
A club desperate to sell has never been in the driving position of any negotiation. A natural reaction to needing money asap isn't often "great, let's hold out for the long term to get the best deal possible"
Cheers for the economics 101. Looking at the actual market we're talking about, you think Juventus would have to lower Vidal's price to £24m to sell him? They could make it known he was available for £35m and have offers in the inbox within a week. They could be pretty confident of selling him this summer for £45m.
Let's not forget David Luiz just went for £50m.
You seem to 'fundamentally misunderstand' Juve's position. This whole 'they need money' thing is nothing to do with desperation. They're bossing Serie A comfortably and their finances are very much in order. If they can raise some funds then they can go for a couple of worldies in the positions they're looking to strengthen, but they aren't desperate for that money.
You're making out as if they're conducting some sort of firesale - which is what selling a player of Vidal's eminence for £24m would constitute.
Clubs don't operate in secret. If it's known Juventus need cash (if that's the case) they wouldn't necessarily have any offers for £35m threshold. You underestimate just how much a disadvantage wanting to sell is. It's no reflection on the player at all but if you knew someone selling an asset needed to do so quickly why the hell would you match their opening asking price? You wouldn't.
Even in deals where a club has no incentive to sell hardly ever does an initial asking price get greeted with a response of "sounds reasonable, do you accept cheques?"
X puts asset Y up for sale because they need the money, one thing is guaranteed: they ain't getting the initial asking price, whatever it is.
Again, where the hell are you getting this from? Juventus obviously don't want to sell Vidal, and they don't need to either, let alone quickly. They're not in a 'must find cash' situation. They only need money in the sense that their squad is somewhat top-quality-heavy in certain areas and somewhat top-quality-light in others, but not in a way that is actually really doing them any harm at the moment - they're comfortably in control of the Scudetto once again. They're nowhere near the sort of rabid desperation for funds that would force them to sell Vidal for £24m. We're talking about probably the second best all-round CM in the world right now.
I was working on the hypothetical that if Juventus did need the money then it'd explain the £24m price tag. As I think was made clear. I didnt say they needed to, I was just explaining why a club who needed money would consider selling an asset for less than its actual ordinary market value.
Besides their combined financial losses from 2010-2013 were 171m Euros. Even now, in a much improved financial situation than a few years ago their revenue barely covers expenses. I'm not saying they have to sell but they're not exactly in rude financial health either.
After who?
Cleverley
I am big fan off Yaya Toure. Pace,power,goals he is just brilliant to watch.
£24 million! 
You have to laugh at the Express. They think it's still 2005.
You have to laugh at the Express. They think it's still 2005.Modric, no?
Ok, well I was talking about Juventus' actual situation, because that's the one that's relevant to Vidal's price tag.
No one he is number 1
We should wait till the end of the window, at this rate we will sign him for free.
£24 million? Seems to good to be true. Would be a bargain.
Going by the season just gone Schweinsteiger, Toure and Modric would have had better seasons.
Based on what exactly? All of them also play for better teams which enhances their performance btw.
Well take out Schwein then, you can't argue with Modric or Toure's individual performances this season.
Yes they had good seasons. however I don't rate either of them better than Vidal.
Put Vidal in that City team or in the RM midfield and it would be a complete joke.
You're fanboying now. Modric has unquestionably been the better midfielder this season. He's been Madrid's second best player - and arguably equally as important as Ronaldo given how reliant the latter's impact is on Modric bossing every midfield he's come up against. He's outplayed some of the best midfields in the world this season - Bayern, Atletico, Barca - and can take as much credit for winning the CL as any Madrid player, and far more than most.
As good as Vidal's been, Juve didn't even get out of their CL group. He's shone in Serie A in a midfield also including the likes of Pirlo, Pogba and Marchisio (hardly the poverty of quality which would hold back his performances as you suggest), but that doesn't mean he's been better than Modric.
For what it's worth I'd put him second, above even the likes of Toure, Schweinsteiger and Kroos.
Toure vs Vidal - Whoscored league stats
Toure : 35 apps 20 goals 9 assists 90% pass accuracy
Vidal : 28 apps 11 goals 5 assists 83.7% pass accuracy
Toure was dominant through this season, also Vidal takes penalties, no?
Dont get my wrong, I'm a huge fan of Vidal, its just few player played better than him this season, grant it not by a huge margin.
Don't do that, they both play an entirely different game in an entirely different league in entirely different formation with completely different job roles. I think this comes down to opinion, i 'd say neither of you are wrong.
Well I'm less fussed about which of these two we rate higher - my main point was just that Modric is comfortably above both.
But for the sake or argument, those stats hardly cover the fact that Vidal does the work of both a passing CM like Toure and a DM combined. Whereas Toure's defensive contributions and work rate are pretty limited for such a deep midfielder, which is why he only plays well when paired with a more responsible, hard-working partner like Fernandinho.
So yes, Toure edges Vidal in the offensive stats, but those stats account for 80% of what Toure does and only 40% of what Vidal does.
Not really I just take into account the team people play for when I look at their performances. Its similar to another thread where they were discussing Pirlo vs Xavi.
As a midfielder you are going to look better and be able to dominate better if you have another bunch of world class players around you. Like say if you are playing for RM or City or Bayern. Not that Juve are not a top team, but they are not in the same league.
It's just my opinion that Vidal is a better player than Modric as he has more to his game than him, in my opinion he is a more complete midfielder. If that makes me a fan boy then so be it.
I said Modric and Toure had good seaons, its just my opinion that Vidal is the better player, again if that makes me a fan boy then fine.
Good post.
I personally like the bit where they state LvG is our new box... Proofing at it's very, very best...
Not for me, I think Vidal is better.
Modric is a fair call though, better than the others you may have suggested.
His market value is probably around the 70m Euro mark.
Modric and Vidal would be a dream midfield, I hope he doesn't go to Madrid.
Modric has more quality on the ball than Vidal, but that engine of Vidal's would make him ideal for this league. He would have more of an impact than Yaya defensively while not offering the same quality going forward.
Koke has been one of the best this season.
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