I’m so confused by this whole thing
Arthur Melo - Juventus's old number five
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I’m so confused by this whole thing
Not sure what Barca get out of it. Unless their financial situation is really that bad that they need the deal to book the dodgy accounting. For footballing reasons it’s a crap deal, great for Juve though.
These swaps to navigate FFP seem to becoming more common, Barca did one last year with Valencia swapping Cillessen for Neto. It speaks of the mismanagement at Barcelona though that a very promising young midfielder is being forced out due to it not working out there yet and due to them needing to fudge their accounts before 30 June.
I’m so confused by this whole thing
Thats quite a lot of money in this market... especially when he isn't really first team key player for Barca
I agree with this. He's nowhere as good as people claim he is. A lot of the time I find him to be underwhelming.
Except, correct me if I’m wrong, surely it’s not because it’s 10m euros difference and they can say whatever prices they like for accounting reasons presumably? How would it be beneficial to overprice these players like this?
These post-pandemic fees put our club in advantage to certain situations and disadvantage in others.
On one hand, our top players that might be pursued by other top clubs can retain their value and we can't be bullied into selling Pogba for a cut-price, as an example. On the other hand, the same sentiment goes for us and we won't be able to seriously negotiate the price down of someone like Sancho, which I fear will mean we go for someone else, since what Dormund are asking is just too much.
On one hand, our top players that might be pursued by other top clubs can retain their value and we can't be bullied into selling Pogba for a cut-price, as an example. On the other hand, the same sentiment goes for us and we won't be able to seriously negotiate the price down of someone like Sancho, which I fear will mean we go for someone else, since what Dormund are asking is just too much.
Its Pjanic + 10m.
People will be shitting on Arthur for his price tag when in reality its a great price for Juve..
I've said this myself a few times on here.
Though, for me, his one good attribute in which he's probably better than anyone in (press resistance) is so good that despite all of his flaws on the pitch; of which there are many, he still is a good player because of that sole attribute.
It's beneficial in the short term, harmful in the medium term and neutral long term.
Players are considered assets accounting wise, so their value is appreciated over the course of their contracts. When they sell Melo for €80, they recieve an €80 m accounting profit for the books. If they buy Pjanic for €70 m they will of course have to pay the €70 m according to the deal they do with Juve, but that's not how it's registered. If they give Pjanic a 4 year deal, then he's a €70 m asset that loses €70/4 m value per year, or €17.5 m. So, accounting wise they register an 80 million profit for the sale of Melo, a 17.5 million loss for Pjanic, and a net profit of 62.5 million.
This makes them able to spend more without breaching FFP. However, for the next three years after they'll register a 17.5 million loss each year, harming their ability to spend in accordance with FFP those years. It's a band-aid, basically.
This is a little bit simplified because Melo's book value has to be subtracted from this year's net profit. They bought him for 30 million, so if they gave him a 5 year deal that's 6 million per year. He's been there for two years, so he's now worth 18 million. Accounting profit from his sale is then (80 million - 18 million = 62 million), not 80 million, but this doesn't impact the benefits and drawbacks by inflating the fees like this.
Can't wait for Messi to retire so that Barca finally becomes a midtable team
Think of all the money wasted on Griezmann/Dembele/Coutinho. It's crazy.
This guy is the definition of danger dolan
What the heck have Barcelona done. My Barcelona mates are fuming.
Great, really helpful, thanks!
Don't they just brutally inflate the market and tie their own hands with that strategy? If they want to do the same next year (as in, artificially creating a bet profit), they'll have to resort to even bigger fake sums given that these 17.5m yearly losses will add up.
Also, don't agents often get % out of transfer fees? They needlessly give them even more with such transfer sums.
Considering that everyone probably knows what's going on, I doubt it will influence the market much, if at all. Barca and Juve will have some more room to buy, or to avoid selling, so that could have some impact but probably not a lot.
If they keep doing this, that's more interesting. I'd assume some governing bodies would be forced to look into things if it gets too crazy to ignore, though I'm sure they don't want to, and if they fail go get someone else to play ball with them then they're screwed. That doesn't mean they won't try, of course, football history is full of brutal economic stories. Short is, I don't know.
Agent fees, absolutely, that's an unnecessary cost they take on to do this, so me saying it's neutral long term financially wasn't strictly speaking correct.
"The incoming "money" -- and it's worth repeating that the only cash on the move is €12m -- is immediate income in full. The outgoing cost is spread across the duration of their contracts through amortisation. Hey, presto, close to a €50m profit. Which is handy when it comes to FFP. The accountancy is more creative than the midfielders are."
Sid Lowe is a savage
Sid Lowe is a savage
This takes Juve's attention off Pogba for the forseeable future. Hopefully Madrid spunks on someone like Debruyne.
Is this something Juventus have done before with Danilo and Cancelo? Because that deal stunk to high heaven as well.
Good for him
Nah, don't agree with that at all. Fair enough with Bale doing what he's doing at Madrid because he's still making himself available for selection. Actively running away and not returning while you're still under contract? Shitty.
"The incoming "money" -- and it's worth repeating that the only cash on the move is €12m -- is immediate income in full. The outgoing cost is spread across the duration of their contracts through amortisation. Hey, presto, close to a €50m profit. Which is handy when it comes to FFP. The accountancy is more creative than the midfielders are."
Sid Lowe is a savage
It's a business and he should honor his contract even if he's been sold. But since it's Barcelona, i love it
what a massive whopper he's turned out to be.
I’m normally on the players side on things like this, but at the end of the day he’s still under contract and agreed to join Juventus, so I’m not sure why he’s acting like this. Well, I know why he is. He’s extremely unprofessional and supposedly caught an STD before a Classico Derby last season.
To be fair to him though, didn't he not want to leave and they basically made it impossible to be there anymore.
Of course he could have refused the Juve contract but maybe they've told him they'd never play him again
It's a business and he should honor his contract even if he's been sold. But since it's Barcelona, i love it
Barca get a taste of their own medicine. It's hard to feel sorry for them.
Be quality if Barca won the UCL now.
This
Hilarious.
Well respect is both ways, he never wanted to go to juventus but was forcelly sold against his will as though he was a slave. At least give him the decency of where he wanted to go. Rather sad really from both ends.
He's allowed to refuse the contract from Juve. When you sign a contract with a club you're essentially 'owned' by them.
I think its poor from him
This isn't a thing
Yeah this is not how it works. He was free to refuse the transfer. A shitty situation to be in but this is not the NBA where you get traded across the country without your knowledge.
I know we don't know what happens behind closed doors, but he came out and said he didn't want to leave.
He ended up leaving. Maybe Barca treated him like shit, telling him he wont play for the club ever again etc, basically forcing him out of the club.
Sure he could reject the Juve offer, but if the future at Barca was, you won't get back into this side, what choice did he have?
Imagine coming home and your Wife has just told you shes cheated on you, wants you to leave, but wait, before you go, can you just do the dishes
Completely disagree. This is not an ideal situation for a player, sure, but to suggest contractual obligations no longer apply because you feel hard done by, is ludicrous. Many players have been frozen out or put in the reserves when a manager decides they don't fit into their plans; most players keep their head down, fulfill their contractual obligations, and eventually get the move they want. They have rights too, and can refuse any move and continue to wait until the move they want comes along. You can feel sympathy for the way Arthur has been treated, but there is no excuse for not playing while you are under contract.
The wife analogy is so inane it doesn't need a response, but you and your wife are not contracted to stay together.
As i said, a shitty situation to be in but you're trading Barca for Juventus, Barcelona for Turin, the slave comparison was inapt to say the least.Barca are cnts so i don't really blame him to want some revenge before leaving.If it was any other club, i would still expect the player to dig in for one more month and then leave.
Trying hard not to slam the poster, but anyone who tries to compare this situation to slavery needs to give their head a wobble, at the very very least.