Arsenal - 2024/25

What about Zinchenko? Could easily play Timber RB and Zinchenko LB.
It was also Zinchenko first game in months as he’s returning from injury.

I wouldn’t say Arsenal fans were primarily blaming the defeat on injuries. Arteta himself has downplayed the effect and explicitly said it was down to refs or any external forces, we just deserved to lose the game.

We had quite a few unavailable against Liverpool where that was a factor. But Newcastle was a dreadful game for us and injuries were way down the list of reasons for that.
 
It was also Zinchenko first game in months as he’s returning from injury.

I wouldn’t say Arsenal fans were primarily blaming the defeat on injuries. Arteta himself has downplayed the effect and explicitly said it was down to refs or any external forces, we just deserved to lose the game.

We had quite a few unavailable against Liverpool where that was a factor. But Newcastle was a dreadful game for us and injuries were way down the list of reasons for that.

He was available for the last 2 PL games, was on the bench and played 60 mins in the league cup.

Liverpool game was 1 game and it was 1 extra injury.. White wasn't available, the rest were all the same.
 
Not really the point though, was it?
Well it kinda is the point, we'd have lost even worse if Zinchenko had played. He's only even near the team because Calafiori is injured and White couldn't start. That's without even mentioning the half fit Timber and Gabriel. It's disingenuous to say we were only one player short of our best XI
 
He was available for the last 2 PL games, was on the bench and played 60 mins in the league cup.

Liverpool game was 1 game and it was 1 extra injury.. White wasn't available, the rest were all the same.
Zinchenko was on the bench because he was coming back from an injury that ruled him out of every match since the end of August. The 60 minutes he played in the League Cup was nursing him back from injury, chucking in a half fit play player to mark Salah is something we tried to avoid. So much so that we brought on a teenager who has yet to make a league start at LB instead.

Our first choice back line when we’ve had everybody fit this season is

Califiori Gabriel Saliba Timber

Gabriel came off injured early in the second half so finished the game with none of those on the pitch. We were (and still are) also missing Tomiyasu who is one of our first choice rotation options as he’s 6’3”, two footed and can play all across the back line.

I don’t think you know all that much about Arsenal’s squad, which makes sense as you’re not Gooner. But player availability was very much an issue against Liverpool and some games prior to that.

It was far less of a problem against Newcastle, which is why Arteta said that the loss wasn’t bad luck, it was on us as a team.
 
Zinchenko was on the bench because he was coming back from an injury that ruled him out of every match since the end of August. The 60 minutes he played in the League Cup was nursing him back from injury, chucking in a half fit play player to mark Salah is something we tried to avoid. So much so that we brought on a teenager who has yet to make a league start at LB instead.

Our first choice back line when we’ve had everybody fit this season is

Califiori Gabriel Saliba Timber

Gabriel came off injured early in the second half so finished the game with none of those on the pitch. We were (and still are) also missing Tomiyasu who is one of our first choice rotation options as he’s 6’3”, two footed and can play all across the back line.

I don’t think you know all that much about Arsenal’s squad, which makes sense as you’re not Gooner. But player availability was very much an issue against Liverpool and some games prior to that.

It was far less of a problem against Newcastle, which is why Arteta said that the loss wasn’t bad luck, it was on us as a team.

I know about Arsenal's squad.. player availability v injuries is two different topics. I was talking about injuries, where Arsenal fans are crying about.

In respects to Vs Liverpool, Saliba being out was his fault getting sent off the game before. Tomiyasu is no longer first choice rotation option. Ben White Calafiori and Timber are the main options.

I mean its funny that you are moaning that a teenager is being asked to play LB but I have seen so many Arsenal fans asking for Nwanyeri to start.
 
I think maintaining the form of the last 2 seasons was always going to be hard work. Dont let Saka or Odegaard get injured isn't really a realistic expectation. They've been pretty lucky with injuries the last 2 seasons. You look at chelsea, newcastle, us and probably half a dozen other teams last season and their injuries and absenses are just brutal. With the number of games thats probably going to be pretty common.
Your first choice defence / midfield / striker not being available is just somethign teams will have to deal with and Arsenal have better options than most really. No one will really care how good their excuses for dropping down the table are.
 
Wonder if he's got an hour in him at the weekend. Needs to be him or Nwaneri, Trossard is an impact from bench player, too often goes missing when starting.

They said on comms during the game that he’s hardly trained properly yet, so I honestly doubt he starts at the Bridge, might come on the final 30 mins or so.

But the pressure on Odegaard to lift his team out of this slump feels massive. I think he’ll do it too, but his absence has highlighted just how over reliant Arsenal had become on him.
 
They said on comms during the game that he’s hardly trained properly yet, so I honestly doubt he starts at the Bridge, might come on the final 30 mins or so.

But the pressure on Odegaard to lift his team out of this slump feels massive. I think he’ll do it too, but his absence has highlighted just how over reliant Arsenal had become on him.

If he's not fit to start, start Nwaneri then. We need a spark centrally, Trossard certainly isn't providing it.
Spamming crosses won't cut it.
 
They never give penalties when keepers come out for a cross and clatter into players, why would they start doing it for fecking Arsenal of all teams? No one gives fouls when they use basketball screening at every corner too.
 
They never give penalties when keepers come out for a cross and clatter into players, why would they start doing it for fecking Arsenal of all teams? No one gives fouls when they use basketball screening at every corner too.
Yeah, they actually do. Onana did the same and Copenhagen got a penalty, and Argentina got one at the World Cup.
 
I think maintaining the form of the last 2 seasons was always going to be hard work. Dont let Saka or Odegaard get injured isn't really a realistic expectation. They've been pretty lucky with injuries the last 2 seasons. You look at chelsea, newcastle, us and probably half a dozen other teams last season and their injuries and absenses are just brutal. With the number of games thats probably going to be pretty common.
Your first choice defence / midfield / striker not being available is just somethign teams will have to deal with and Arsenal have better options than most really. No one will really care how good their excuses for dropping down the table are.
Yeah they put absolutely everything into last season in particular and their form was outstanding and it still wasn't enough. People say it should make them even more determined but it doesn't always work out like that.

Injuries are obviously hurting them but I wouldn't be surprised to see them have a poor season.