Are you happy for David Moyes?

I have no ill will towards him, he did a very good job with Everton for many years, was clearly out of his depth here, and has now gone on to do a very good job with West Ham.
Fair play to him, one of the success stories of the season.

He had a bumpy period even after leaving us, guess I am glad he has found some stability.
 
I used to absolutely hate Moyes. Everything around him stunk of mediocrity whether it was his tactics, his coaching staff, the way he talked to players and of course Fellaini. However as time went by I felt sorry for him. He was pushed in a job were it was almost impossible to succeed in (a big name club who was used to trophies, an ageing side that required incredible micromanagement to succeed, Woodward, the Glazers etc). The guy was not ready for it and being at Manchester United meant that every mistake will be scrutinised and discussed to the ridiculous.

Moyes didn't deserve the job but United shouldn't have ruined his career either. I am glad that he has been able to move on. The same can't be said about LVG and Mourinho who never really recovered from their own United's mess.
 
Happy for him? I guess, no more so than other managers who have performed above the level they were expected to this season. That said I felt at the time and still feel now that he got a rough deal only getting 1 season at United and not getting the players in he wanted. I think any manager who came in and their big signing was Fellaini would have struggled

One note I will make though is everyone was looking forward to the attacking Leeds side this season and they did well scoring 62 goals which is more than Chelsea and Arsenal. West Ham also scored 62 goals. So plenty of attacking play and goals for them too, not least with Soucek starting in central midfield and getting into the box to be joint top scorer with 10 premier league goals. In many ways he's a better Fellaini who can actually play the holding role as well as getting forward and being dominant in the air

He wanted Fellaini though. His other targets were unrealistic, Woodward also has to shoulder some of the blame for indulging Moyes dithering for so long in that window to be fair.

Also not sure you could describe Moyes tenure at United as simply struggling. Struggling would have been coming 5th and missing out on CL football by a few points. Not dropping from 1st to 7th, finishing 15 points off the CL spots while breaking multiple records and only registering 3 wins against the other top 10 sides all season.
 
I used to absolutely hate Moyes. Everything around him stunk of mediocrity whether it was his tactics, his coaching staff, the way he talked to players and of course Fellaini. However as time went by I felt sorry for him. He was pushed in a job were it was almost impossible to succeed in (a big name club who was used to trophies, an ageing side that required incredible micromanagement to succeed, Woodward, the Glazers etc). The guy was not ready for it and being at Manchester United meant that every mistake will be scrutinised and discussed to the ridiculous.

Moyes didn't deserve the job but United shouldn't have ruined his career either. I am glad that he has been able to move on. The same can't be said about LVG and Mourinho who never really recovered from their own United's mess.

Give Jose the best part of a decade and he might manage West Ham to a 6th place finish too.
 
Give Jose the best part of a decade and he might manage West Ham to a 6th place finish too.

Maybe but I doubt so. Moyes is a solid mid table club manager. He lacks the vision, the charisma and the ability to manage top players or win important trophies. However if Moyes is given a team with a decent group but hardly spectacular type of players who have as much ambition as a typical government clerk then he'll do well with them.

Mou is more of a Sacchi ie a cnut who reached top tier management solely based on a system that was once successful. Once that system became obsolete then he's finished. Jose is too stubborn to change, he's got no man management skills and because of such lack he expects clubs to constantly go full FM management mode to replace the players he burnt bridges with. There is no way that a West Ham type of club can provide him with that. They'll expect him to work with what he's got and do the unthinkable ie develop players.
 
I'm finally at the point where I can tolerate Moyes again. Now he's not trying to save his reputation every time he steps in front of the camera he's become less of a bellend.

Regardless of what he said he still dismantled a PL winning team and was under the impression he had 8 years to build a new one and win a league title. He's found his level now and good for him.
 
I don’t really care one way or another. I don’t like West Ham though.
 
I'm definitely not happy but as I was hoping they'd make top4 at the expense of the dippers and rooting for them for a while, it helped me to eradicate my previously strong negative feelings towards him.
 
I always respected him at Everton. Was the wrong man to take over for Fergie (not sure who was...other than Klopp) but he always talked about the club with the utmost respect and seemed honored to manage United.

I wish him well. Unlike the Toxic One.
 
Yes, Moyes not West Ham. Took a dream job that he should've never been offered. Decent manager who was so far out of his depth and had his reputation damaged significantly in 6 months. Even his daughter started getting shit while he was here.
 
Maybe but I doubt so. Moyes is a solid mid table club manager. He lacks the vision, the charisma and the ability to manage top players or win important trophies. However if Moyes is given a team with a decent group but hardly spectacular type of players who have as much ambition as a typical government clerk then he'll do well with them.

Mou is more of a Sacchi ie a cnut who reached top tier management solely based on a system that was once successful. Once that system became obsolete then he's finished. Jose is too stubborn to change, he's got no man management skills and because of such lack he expects clubs to constantly go full FM management mode to replace the players he burnt bridges with. There is no way that a West Ham type of club can provide him with that. They'll expect him to work with what he's got and do the unthinkable ie develop players.

I think they're both cnuts in their own way. But yeah Mourinho is a has been and Dave is a never was.
 
I always respected him at Everton. Was the wrong man to take over for Fergie (not sure who was...other than Klopp) but he always talked about the club with the utmost respect and seemed honored to manage United.

I wish him well. Unlike the Toxic One.

Well he's changed his tune in the years since his sacking. Didn't cover himself in glory during his time at the club either, making ludicrous claims and throwing everyone under the bus in an attempt to save face while failing at his job.

PS you signed up on the day United sacked Moyes. Happy belated Moyes day.
 
He failed to fill Fergie's boots and in hindsight, that task looked impossible for more accomplished managers like LvG and Mourinho. It was a no brainer for him to take the job at that time and it was equally inevitable that he'd get sacked. I wish him well as he is a good manager for a fringe top 4 club.

Tottenham might turn their nose up at him but he'd be a solid candidate there.
 
I will always want Moyes to do well outside of United, as it'll have to come at the expense of one of our main rivals.

That aside, I genuinely like the West Ham team this year. Been great for fantasy football. Being London fans, they're full of shit, but ultimately will always root for them vs most other clubs.

Imagine they'll be absolutely wank again next year, as is tradition.
 
Of course I'm happy for him. The vitriol aimed at him was always over the top. Was out of his depth and shouldn't have been hired but that squad was in need of a major overhaul anyways.

Pleased he's doing well.
 
Well he's changed his tune in the years since his sacking. Didn't cover himself in glory during his time at the club either, making ludicrous claims and throwing everyone under the bus in an attempt to save face while failing at his job.

PS you signed up on the day United sacked Moyes. Happy belated Moyes day.

I haven't seen him criticise United much in the media, maybe I just missed it.

To be honest he probably has a right to feel a bit bitter. Nobody forced the club to give him a 6 year contract and I imagine Woodward promised him rather more than Fellaini. The modern version of Sir Ed isn't ideal, I can't imagine it was fun working with the work experience era Woodward.
 
I would've been much happier if he would've knocked one of Chelsea or Liverpool out of top 4.
 
He was given Thiago by Ferguson all wrapped up in a bow and he rejected him in favour of Fellaini. He has also taken zero responsibility for the job he did here. So in summary: feck him.
 
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I haven't seen him criticise United much in the media, maybe I just missed it.

To be honest he probably has a right to feel a bit bitter. Nobody forced the club to give him a 6 year contract and I imagine Woodward promised him rather more than Fellaini. The modern version of Sir Ed isn't ideal, I can't imagine it was fun working with the work experience era Woodward.

Yeah maybe mate.

Yeah he has the right to feel however he wants about his United exit. But at some point hopefully he'll grow a spine and accept some of the responsibility for his failure at United.
 
This forum has strange obsession towards Moyes . He is a mid table manager . We made a mistake and am happy he is doing well.
 
I keep forgetting he's their manager. I mostly wanted them to do well to mess with Chelsea and Pool, but at the same time it is a nice accomplishment for them I suppose.
 
He wanted Fellaini though. His other targets were unrealistic, Woodward also has to shoulder some of the blame for indulging Moyes dithering for so long in that window to be fair.

Also not sure you could describe Moyes tenure at United as simply struggling. Struggling would have been coming 5th and missing out on CL football by a few points. Not dropping from 1st to 7th, finishing 15 points off the CL spots while breaking multiple records and only registering 3 wins against the other top 10 sides all season.

The board bumbled the Herrera transfer that window. SAF and Gill supposedly had Alcantara wrapped up for that summer only for the player to follow Pep to Bayern. They missed out on Strootman who was sublime before he crocked his knee.

I believe he panicked into Fellaini, and his only reason for pursuing the transfer was his prior relationship having coached the player. Fellaini was never United material. And this was after other targets had failed - Alcantara, Fabregas, Marchisio, Modric, Verratti, all basically indicating they had zero desire to play for Moyes. The Mata winter transfer was also a panic buy.

Moyes wasted half the summer dallying around before realizing just how big the United job was. He came off as a novice not possessing a top class mentality required for the job, his tactics were shit as well, and his ego saw him sack Ferguson's remaining coaching staff so he could bring in a world class pedigree in Steve Round.
 
I have no ill will towards him, he did a very good job with Everton for many years, was clearly out of his depth here, and has now gone on to do a very good job with West Ham.
Fair play to him, one of the success stories of the season.

He had a bumpy period even after leaving us, guess I am glad he has found some stability.

Yes. Well said. I am very happy for him. He is a decent human being as well as a very decent football manager. Pleased for him and for West Ham.
 
I am to be fair. He’s like that little brother in the family. Take the piss out of him for his feck ups but are pleased when they do well.
 
He has methods that work well for midtable clubs, but the Hammers fans may grow tired of his methods in a year or two.

Getting rid of Mike Phelan from his backroom team, is a mistake he will never recover from.
 
The board bumbled the Herrera transfer that window. SAF and Gill supposedly had Alcantara wrapped up for that summer only for the player to follow Pep to Bayern. They missed out on Strootman who was sublime before he crocked his knee.

I believe he panicked into Fellaini, and his only reason for pursuing the transfer was his prior relationship having coached the player. Fellaini was never United material. And this was after other targets had failed - Alcantara, Fabregas, Marchisio, Modric, Verratti, all basically indicating they had zero desire to play for Moyes. The Mata winter transfer was also a panic buy.

Moyes wasted half the summer dallying around before realizing just how big the United job was. He came off as a novice not possessing a top class mentality required for the job, his tactics were shit as well, and his ego saw him sack Ferguson's remaining coaching staff so he could bring in a world class pedigree in Steve Round.

Well yes due to the lack of time mostly, Moyes didn't even want to go for him until he had scouted him more extensively. According to Graham Hunter the club got sick of his dithering hence the scatter gun approach late in the window for Herrera, DeRossi, Khedira, Coentrao etc. in an effort to just get some players in.

Moyes reportedly nixed the Thiago deal as he again hadn't scouted him enough. Think it was a similar story with Strootman.

Moyes has himself said Fellaini was one of his targets from day one. The club made a joint bid for him and Baines in June/July and we only missed out on signing him for his lower release clause fee as Moyes didn't want him to be the first signing as he thought it would put too much pressure on him.

I agree Mata was a panic buy that neither he nor his predecessors had a plan to use properly.
 
He has methods that work well for midtable clubs, but the Hammers fans may grow tired of his methods in a year or two.

Getting rid of Mike Phelan from his backroom team, is a mistake he will never recover from.

Think they did already wasn't that why he was sacked the first time he managed them?
 
Think they did already wasn't that why he was sacked the first time he managed them?
True, but Moyes had a brilliant transfer window a year ago, whether that's down to the West Ham scouts, or Moyes, I don't know. But a year from now, Rice and Soucek will more than likely move on, and West Ham will struggle to replace that quality, and that's probably when results will start to go south.
They desperately need to keep Jesse too, not securing him will put a dampener on the mood going into the new season.
 
WHU this season was similar to Sheffield United last season.

But, he is a good mid table manager, nothing beyond that. Better than Lego Pep though. They should hire Moyes.
 
I'm indifferent towards him. He had the burden of being the manager to follow after SAF with an aging squad that did manage to win the PL the season before his start here. His spell here was so poor that I don't blame him for trying to justify it in some ways. He's committed mistakes but the club was also not run very well which ended up hurting him too.
I do have a lot of respect for his resurgence though. After his poor spell at Real Sociedad, many wrote him off but he returned and has done a good job at West Ham. Fighting for the EL spots in the Premier League is his level and I think he can have a long-lasting career there.
 
I'll feel happy for him even more when he'll loan Williams and sign Jesse. Woody can throw Andreas on top of that.

Seriously not a bad season for him and fair play to him, he has eye for development for some younger players.
 
Any manager offered such job would accept it even if he wasn't good enough for it. It's no bariner really.

From the start we shouldn't have even moved for him, but ultimately it seems like we didn't prepare well for SAF's retirement and started moving for a new manager pretty late.

I’m not going to argue you’re wrong, but I’m not sure you’re right.

If offered the job at the time would Allardyce or Pulis have taken it? I doubt it. Some men are aware of their limitations, some are not.

Moyes was clearly unaware of his limitations, but he shouldn’t have been. He had never won a single trophy and had never endured the kind of scrutiny that comes with the job of managing clubs like United or even Arsenal. It is easy to say this all now, but nearly all United supporters went into meltdown when word got out that Ferguson knighted Moyes for the job, one of the reasons being because he was a Scot.

A once-in-a-lifetime chance, sure. But Moyes should have had enough self-awareness to realize he was completely unfit for the job.