Are you confident of success in the INEOS era?

UnofficialDevil said:
If we look at what they have done at Nice it's nothing to get excited about. After 4 years of ownership, they finished 9th in the league.
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They started this season well, but have fallen out of The CL places in recent monthd. They're likely to get Europa League football at best.

They're a good team defensively, but have struggled to score goals. 36 goals scored from 31 games. Just 25 goals conceded.

They spent a lot of money last summer. By their standards. And brought in reinforcements in January.

Brest have been the surprise team. They might achieve CL football, which would be the equivalent of Crystal Palace doing it in England.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
If we look at what they have done at Nice it's nothing to get excited about. After 4 years of ownership, they finished 9th in the league.
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I would presume it's a different team, management and budget entirely between Nice and Man Utd. We have a so called "best in class" now with Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox. Hopefully a new manager and head of recruitment soon to revamp the squad. Also, with the budgets we have at Man Utd the outcome could be much better than I presume a 4th place finish in Ligue 1.
 
No not looking how they're handling the fraud from abroad.
 
I have some hope but I am far from confident. Their previous football clubs have been run a bit shit and there is barely any improvement on them post takeover. They seem to be hiring good at United but the rumors that they’ll continue with EtH are a bit unsettling.

I think it will be better than Glazers but I do not think we would go anywhere near City.
 
Im the most confident I’ve been since fergie left. They know what there doing we just need to give them time. We won’t get instant success
 
Revan said:
I have some hope but I am far from confident. Their previous football clubs have been run a bit shit and there is barely any improvement on them post takeover. They seem to be hiring good at United but the rumors that they’ll continue with EtH are a bit unsettling.

I think it will be better than Glazers but I do not think we would go anywhere near City.
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You can only do so much with smaller clubs. They won’t have the pulling power or resources to do what we can. We’re hiring all the best possible people for the correct roles.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I would presume it's a different team, management and budget entirely between Nice and Man Utd. We have a so called "best in class" now with Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox. Hopefully a new manager and head of recruitment soon to revamp the squad. Also, with the budgets we have at Man Utd the outcome could be much better than I presume a 4th place finish in Ligue 1.
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Yes, but maybe this is a worrying example?
PSG were a struggling mid-table club before Qatar took over, now they walk the league have won it 9 times in a row or something.
Nice taken over by INEOS 5 years ago and still seem to be struggling..
 
Revan said:
I have some hope but I am far from confident. Their previous football clubs have been run a bit shit and there is barely any improvement on them post takeover. They seem to be hiring good at United but the rumors that they’ll continue with EtH are a bit unsettling.

I think it will be better than Glazers but I do not think we would go anywhere near City.
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Like I said, compare PSG to NIce, in other words Qatar to INEOS in the same league. Not very promising.
 
If they get rid of Ten Hag, yes. Not only because they would be removing the man himself but because it'll show we finally have some standards after the most pathetic season we've had post-Fergie. If they give him another season, then doubts will creep in as it's just more of the same.
 
This is a long term project so nobody should worry that Ten Hag hasn’t been fired yet. Thankfully INEOS are not a kneejerk as many of our fans. Ten Hag will be replaced, but we need to get a lot of our house in order first.
 
PoTMS said:
If they get rid of Ten Hag, yes. Not only because they would be removing the man himself but because it'll show we finally have some standards after the most pathetic season we've had post-Fergie. If they give him another season, then doubts will creep in as it's just more of the same.
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It's certainly interesting that despite moving around individuals in the hierarchy, success will fundamentally be determined around what is actually happening on the pitch with the coaches. Their judgement over Erik is either going to have a drastic positive or negative impact on the short-medium term success.

I think like any new regime the manager should be leaving with the only outlier being that he's an outstanding candidate which Erik is not. The structure he was adopted within was through John Murtough and Richard Arnold, there's very minimal evidence to suggest Erik aligns with the directive INEOS envision. That's why from a business perspective keeping Erik could have little to do with managerial pedigree but rather an objective preference.

I said it before the changes and I'll say it again it will take a successful manager to determine a successful ownership. This is evident with Liverpool under Rodgers and Liverpool under Klopp, same ownership but different coaches totally different perception.
 
El Zoido said:
This is a long term project so nobody should worry that Ten Hag hasn’t been fired yet. Thankfully INEOS are not a kneejerk as many of our fans. Ten Hag will be replaced, but we need to get a lot of our house in order first.
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Ratcliffe stated a desire to be challenging within 36 months that doesn't signify a long-term project in the slightest but rather a positive expectation for the club to compete at the level it's status and resources represents.
 
As with anything. If the process is elite, over the long term success will follow. The process is not yet elite, but the people who are moulding the process are. From that, I would assume yes. Berrada, JCB, Wilcox and Ashworth are all some of the best around and have all helped build elite structures/ processes everywhere they’ve gone.
 
I certainly don't expect much difference in the short term. I think we'll be disappointed in the summer when we can't offload players like Casemiro to free up funds.
 
Redstain said:
Ratcliffe stated a desire to be challenging within 36 months that doesn't signify a long-term project in the slightest but rather a positive expectation for the club to compete at the level it's status and resources represents.
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He may be revising that now, considering he’s just put the whole squad up for sale, and with reports coming out of the offices being an embarrassment. I don’t see how this team can be turned around so quickly, if by challenging he means for the league title. I personally don’t think Ten Hag will be here next season, but it’ll depend on the right replacement being available. INEOS see it, but there’s no point in firing him without a plan, and just to get 10% better. This fanbase really cannot get over the idea of having a saviour manager that’ll make us great again, it’s no longer realistic. The working environment is not conducive for a successful team yet.
 
El Zoido said:
He may be revising that now, considering he’s just put the whole squad up for sale, and with reports coming out of the offices being an embarrassment. I don’t see how this team can be turned around so quickly, if by challenging he means for the league title. I personally don’t think Ten Hag will be here next season, but it’ll depend on the right replacement being available. INEOS see it, but there’s no point in firing him without a plan, and just to get 10% better. This fanbase really cannot get over the idea of having a saviour manager that’ll make us great again, it’s no longer realistic. The working environment is not conducive for a successful team yet.
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Right head coach (and tweak in set-up), along with investing in 2-3 key positions, can do wonders - Leverkusen are surely proof of that. Arsenal went from struggling to make Europe early on to challenging for the title a season or so later just by biting bullet and getting rid of 3-4 ageing dressing-room deadweights, before signing a couple of key players to build upon manager's initial work.
 
I think the upcoming decision will already effect the majority of the fan bases confidence in them long term.

If we sack ten Hag, everyone who still supports him will be annoyed at him not getting to finish what he was attempting to build, and the new manager will have to perform quickly otherwise you'll hear stuff like "see, we should have stuck with ten Hag" which could create another toxic atmosphere.

If we keep ten Hag, the fans who want him out will lose faith because it will show that they aren't prioritising getting the club to finally play progressive football, and if we start the season off struggling then it could end up worse than this season just gone (aside from the FA Cup run).

They're in a tricky position either way.
 
Until there is a period of stability at all levels within the club, I don't think we'll see success for a while, patience is going to be key.
Also, depends what you mean by success, you could say this season was a success, landing the FA cup, albeit unexpected and riding a bit of luck along the way, it's what you're in the game to achieve.

I think though for Utd, success has to be winning the league, being a force in the CL and generally bringing back the good times.
I really don't know enough about INEOS and to be honest, I don't really care about them. So long as it's about Utd and doing everything to improve every aspect of the club, that's the only important thing. I think too much emphasis is being placed on Ratcliffe and these new appointments, yet Utd managed all that success years ago because of one man, SAF. If you get the right manager in, place the trust in them to build the squad, then you just have to hope it's our time again.

What gives me hope right now more than anything is, the changes to the youth setup and good scouting over the last few years is now paying dividends. it's the best period in the youth system for years and it's now producing some quality players coming through at the same time. Garnacho and Mainoo the two main stars I think are just the beginning of a sort of golden period. There are quite a few others all looking to break through as well, it's arguably going to be far more beneficial than INEOS and what they do. This is what Utd is about, developing young talent and finding the stars of tomorrow. If we marry that along with a transfer policy going forward of signing only players under 23, I'm quite excited about the future.
 
Yagami said:
I think the upcoming decision will already effect the majority of the fan bases confidence in them long term.

If we sack ten Hag, everyone who still supports him will be annoyed at him not getting to finish what he was attempting to build, and the new manager will have to perform quickly otherwise you'll hear stuff like "see, we should have stuck with ten Hag" which could create another toxic atmosphere.

If we keep ten Hag, the fans who want him out will lose faith because it will show that they aren't prioritising getting the club to finally play progressive football, and if we start the season off struggling then it could end up worse than this season just gone (aside from the FA Cup run).

They're in a tricky position either way.
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So, option two happened. As I said here, if we start the season off struggling, the atmosphere around the club could end up even worse than last seasons. We have to start like a rocket now.
 
I have to say I'm content with how they approached this decision. They took their time, looked around at their options, and decided they were content with what we have. I can't disagree.

Since they spoke to ETH at the start of this week, we can assume they made their decision last Friday at the latest, which means it took 2 working weeks. That's not awful.

I even think ETH giving a new contract is a good idea, since having a manager in a final year of their contract is a distraction. That is assuming its either a one year extension, or perhaps longer but with top 4 performance targets built into it.
 
quadrant said:
I even think ETH giving a new contract is a good idea, since having a manager in a final year of their contract is a distraction. That is assuming its either a one year extension, or perhaps longer but with top 4 performance targets built into it.
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I'd say give him 6 years, just to be sure no other club will lure him from us...
 
fergiewherearethou said:
I'd say give him 6 years, just to be sure no other club will lure him from us...
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That's quite short for a manager who won an actual FA Cup! 10 year contract minimum just in case he comes good in the 9th year and we would look pretty silly if his contract ran out!!
 
I do worry for INEOS. They clearly mean well but their strange arrangement with the Glazers forces a timeline for success on them so something’s seem rushed and not well thought out while other things are handled very intentionally and un-rushed (bordering on sluggish). Two stand out examples

The timing, process and framework for deciding on the manger clearly wasn’t well thought out. Poor internal and external communication, no clarity on what type of manager given the mixed bag shortlist and a process that could have been executed long before the season ended with better discretion.

The back office revamp is a bit more methodical but shows some unnecessary inflexibility. If your first choice isn’t available In a timeline that serves the club and your interest why not move on to your back up option. That way the new team have time to onboard and ramp up. The club is also better positioned to execute a well thought out plan in the most important window for their planned acquisition.
 
Like with everything there’s the pros and the cons. Their running of Nice isn’t anything to give us hope.

But since arriving the pros: movement where it matters on the football side and infrastructure side.

Cons: could be hiring too many big names in key. The situation with ETH was very badly managed but the resolved it and it’s in the past.

Ultimately I think they will learn from any mistakes. Unlike the Glazers they care about success on the pitch. I do wonder if they will be a board like RM, city etc who want to dominate Europe and win the CL every couple of years, as well as winning league titles. Or just be like the old United board. Happy with top 2 finish and getting to the QF/SF of the CL.
 
Just look at Nice after so many years, they are worse than when they picked them up. They are at 9th place.
 
Selling Sancho for £25 million is pretty much all the proof you need these clowns are not going to succeed here. The Qatar takeover was the only hope of turning this mess around.
 
We are genuinely the most unserious football club of the last 10 years and long may that continue
 
Based on their management regarding ETH and their signings ? no, not really.
 
Still prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. But if Ten Hag is still here for the Brentford game that'll change
 
They're just Glazers' with a little bit more money.
 
They had to sack ETH after the FA cup and dithered and now its getting worse and worse. Zero faith.
 
Not impressed whatsoever. I suppose looking at Nice it shouldn't come as a surprise. Keeping Ten Hag, offering Fernandes a new contract for no reason. They sure push the narrative they have The Plan™ but I'm not really buying into it. Pretty words butter no parsnips.
 
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