Are you saying it isn't very important to win the League if we hold the record? Or that we shouldn't try as hard to win it?
Are we heading for a big squad clear out?
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Are you saying it isn't very important to win the League if we hold the record? Or that we shouldn't try as hard to win it?
i took it to mean there would be less pressure.
If we have taken over Liverpool's record people would be more accepting of a transitional period.
If we fail to win the league this season and try to enter the same period of imbalance and transition people will likely get all outraged and irritated as Fergie 'throws away' the chance to knock 'em off their fecking perch.
Of course we should still aim to win the league, and try our best to win it, but in terms of being understanding if we fail to do so - people will be more accomodating if we have already got to 19.
If we have taken over Liverpool's record people would be more accepting of a transitional period.
If we fail to win the league this season and try to enter the same period of imbalance and transition people will likely get all outraged and irritated as Fergie 'throws away' the chance to knock 'em off their fecking perch.
Of course we should still aim to win the league, and try our best to win it, but in terms of being understanding if we fail to do so - people will be more accomodating if we have already got to 19.
clear out or no clear out. i dont expect to go all big in the transfer window as thats not what we should expect, plus we got a good amount of young players coming through, lets give them a chance
If there are doubts about evra, we should give his natural replacement fabio more gametime to see what he can do. Losing evra would also lend more weight to the possibility of signing bale, even though he is primarily a winger.
whats this about Evra wanting to leave in the summer?
The usual bollocks. Madrid want him and he's yet to sign a new deal.
I can see VDS, Neville, Owen, Hargreaves, Gibson, De Laet, Kuszczak all retiring or leaving this summer. Maybe Wes too if he continues to struggle to get games. Diouf and Macheda are both maybes too, I think.
Can't see the likes of Park leaving, I think Giggs is definitely ok for another season and probably Scholes too as long as he chooses to keep going.
Can't see the likes of Park leaving, I think Giggs is definitely ok for another season and probably Scholes too as long as he chooses to keep going.
Football's changing and evolving all the time. Attacking full backs are more importnt to us now than they were 10 or 15 years ago. Partly because of the style of wingers we've got - Nani, for instance, is just as likely to cut inside as outside, or not even be on the wing. Park isn't an orthodox winger. So we need a lot of support from full backs, and they should have good attacking ability which includes crossing. Remember Evra talking about his early struggles and Fergie reminding him he bought him to attack.
They might not be be called wingbacks, but the way they play, it's not that different.
I hope Evra stays, it may actually aid Fabio's progress, because if he goes and we end up getting a younger full back such as Baines, it would be tougher on Fabio.
Evra won't go, I have full faith in him that he'll sign another contract.
A squad clear out isn't likely to happen either, SAF seems to have a hell of a lot of faith in this current breed of youngsters, maybe too much, who knows. It'll mostly be the old guns who bugger off.
I don't want VDS to leaveHe's still absolutely awesome. No need for retirement.
erm where have I said that I want Evra to go? Regarding VDS well he's retiring and there is little we can do about.
That lad who plays RB for us has a brother apparently. Maybe we should give him a go
He is largely unproven and I cant see Fergie relying on him for whole season, however I would love to see him given a chance. Although he has been playing midfield for the reserves these days, maybe he is being groomed as a future midfielder.
Huh? Look at where I quoted you, after my point about Evra, that was nothing to do with your post.
And the VDS bit wasn't a dig either, it was me being sad
There's no way 4 to 6 players will come in this summer.
why this shite about Evra leaving again, its getting very tiresome.....
Its not like its being reported on goal.com or caughtoffside or whatever they are. When its published in the UK its published by the telegraph or the times, the more respectable media outlets.
Im not saying its true, but I certainly wouldnt rule it out.
It was the same with Vida though.
Why would Evra want to move anyways?
However Wayne Rooney out of all wanted to leave so I won't be surprised anymore.
However Wayne Rooney out of all wanted to leave so I won't be surprised anymore.
Maybe if they include the likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Macheda coming back from loan?! I definitely agree, 1-2 signings max depending on Scholes/Edwin retiring.
from evra to baines.
ffs.
that'll have europe trembling in their boots.
furthermore, no more scousers please.
ffs.
that'll have europe trembling in their boots.
furthermore, no more scousers please.
No he isn't. Decent Premier League fullback. Not United quality
Yes he is.
Whatever you say.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding when he looks back at the end of his career and he never did any better than Everton.
He's decent going forward and has great delivery from crosses and set pieces. Going backwards he's iffy to say the least. He get's rattled very easily and struggles to recover and just generaly isn't that great. He's generaly pretty weak and get's bullied too.
It's not like he's a kid either. He's 26.
Well he has 2/3 of his game nailed. It's not as if Evra has bossed every player he has come up against. If Evra WAS to leave and Baines came in I wouldn't mind. Much better than Coentrao
I'd rather give Fabio the opportunity.
I've not seen enouth of Coentrao other than when he was at the World Cup so can't really say.
Seen plenty of Baines though and i'd be upset going from Evra to him. It's a definate and vast downgrade imo.
I like Bains and as other have said fantastic delivery. Would be great against the lesser teams but I'm wondering whether he would de defensively good enough if someone like Robben was running at him.
You haven't seen Sneijder play very much have you? He's more than just a playmaker or second striker. He's attacking in his mindset for sure but that has been down to the fact he has been at Madrid where it's all about Attack and at Inter Milan where they had Zanetti and Cambiasso behind him so there wasn't much of a shift needed.
Two great examples of him being able to play defensively are the UCL Semi Final at Camp Nou you'll have seen how well he put himself about and got involved with the defensive side, also in the World Cup Final despite having Van bommel and De jong behind him, he was always getting back to cover before charging forwards. Both were real box to box efforts.
So while I will grant you that defending hasn't been much of his concern for most of his career, he does have it in his armory. I see no reason why he couldn't come here and play as an attacking Midfeilder most of the time, but put the odd box to box shift in aswell. He's definately capable of it.
It's a pipe dream though, I can't see us going for him.
A big transition is inevitable when the old guard retire.
It is obvious that our main purchases need to be first and foremost, a good bloody midfielder, and secondly a long term replacement for VDS if Lindegaard isnt to be our #1.
Then we may need to replace any key sales made in certain positions (eg Evra).
I would sincerely hope however, that we dont try to cheap out on CM and GK - we need players of quality there. Fergie and co have always said the money is there if they need it - well, we will need to for those two positions so it will be time for them to make good on that promise.
There are plenty of good options available for GK and CM, it is just about picking the right ones, but Schweinsteiger for example, would be a fantastic purchase for us.
I would assume on top of that, we would dabble into our usual youth purchases. I would really love for us to get Bale too, but he is ultimately a luxury purchase and would mean either Nani or more likely Valencia being dropped. Still, imagine what we could lineup as if we really splashed the cash;
the back line picks itself and we have imo, the best strength in depth in the world in defence. Not only is our first team lineup fantastic, but with cover of the quality of Smalling, Evans, JOS and Fabio, our 2nd string of defenders would beat most in the league.
Midfield is the problem area, but with a player like Schweinsteiger things would look brighter. Him along with Anderson, Carrick and Fletcher would provide plenty of options, although still arguably our weakest area of the pitch.
Wings are well stocked with Nani and Valencia first choice (if we could add Bale in the mix though, him on the left and Nani on the right would be bloody outstanding). Park, Giggs, Cleverley, Obertan, Bebe and Welbeck all provide good options for cover.
Up front things look exciting - Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Welbeck as the top four I would say.
Consider how we might lineup with that squad;
----------------GK------------------
Rafael ---- Rio ----- Vidic ------ Evra
-------------Carrick ----------------
-----Schweinsteiger - Anderson -----
Nani -------------------------- Bale
----------- Rooney -----------------
There are loads of combinations, possibilities and formations.
Point is though, we dont need a mass clearout, we need to cut some of the deadwood (PIG, Neville, Brown, Gibson, Hargreaves, Owen) and replace them with a couple of quality players in key positions.
It is obvious that our main purchases need to be first and foremost, a good bloody midfielder, and secondly a long term replacement for VDS if Lindegaard isnt to be our #1.
Then we may need to replace any key sales made in certain positions (eg Evra).
I would sincerely hope however, that we dont try to cheap out on CM and GK - we need players of quality there. Fergie and co have always said the money is there if they need it - well, we will need to for those two positions so it will be time for them to make good on that promise.
There are plenty of good options available for GK and CM, it is just about picking the right ones, but Schweinsteiger for example, would be a fantastic purchase for us.
I would assume on top of that, we would dabble into our usual youth purchases. I would really love for us to get Bale too, but he is ultimately a luxury purchase and would mean either Nani or more likely Valencia being dropped. Still, imagine what we could lineup as if we really splashed the cash;
the back line picks itself and we have imo, the best strength in depth in the world in defence. Not only is our first team lineup fantastic, but with cover of the quality of Smalling, Evans, JOS and Fabio, our 2nd string of defenders would beat most in the league.
Midfield is the problem area, but with a player like Schweinsteiger things would look brighter. Him along with Anderson, Carrick and Fletcher would provide plenty of options, although still arguably our weakest area of the pitch.
Wings are well stocked with Nani and Valencia first choice (if we could add Bale in the mix though, him on the left and Nani on the right would be bloody outstanding). Park, Giggs, Cleverley, Obertan, Bebe and Welbeck all provide good options for cover.
Up front things look exciting - Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov, Welbeck as the top four I would say.
Consider how we might lineup with that squad;
----------------GK------------------
Rafael ---- Rio ----- Vidic ------ Evra
-------------Carrick ----------------
-----Schweinsteiger - Anderson -----
Nani -------------------------- Bale
----------- Rooney -----------------
There are loads of combinations, possibilities and formations.
Point is though, we dont need a mass clearout, we need to cut some of the deadwood (PIG, Neville, Brown, Gibson, Hargreaves, Owen) and replace them with a couple of quality players in key positions.
We are in dire need of one, if not two, top quality CMs.
Sneijeder would is everything we need in a player. If we actually have any money, we should show some ambition asnd try and secure his signature.
We should go after Bale and try to keep him from City's clutches. He's the most exciting British player since Rooney, so I would hope we'd be in for him even if we don't actually desperately need him. All the other big clubs buy top players without there being a neccessity to do so.
We will also need a worldclass GK to replace our outgoing legend.
Sneijeder would is everything we need in a player. If we actually have any money, we should show some ambition asnd try and secure his signature.
We should go after Bale and try to keep him from City's clutches. He's the most exciting British player since Rooney, so I would hope we'd be in for him even if we don't actually desperately need him. All the other big clubs buy top players without there being a neccessity to do so.
We will also need a worldclass GK to replace our outgoing legend.
I think it's more a case of some journo looking at the possible outs and then thinking we will replace them man for man.
Predictions
Sold: PIG, Gibson, Carrick
Retired: Neville, Scholes, VDS
End of Contract: Owen (Hargreaves to be offered 1 year paid as you play)
Sign: Adler, Defour, Modric
Loan returnees: Welbeck, Cleverley
Sold: PIG, Gibson, Carrick
Retired: Neville, Scholes, VDS
End of Contract: Owen (Hargreaves to be offered 1 year paid as you play)
Sign: Adler, Defour, Modric
Loan returnees: Welbeck, Cleverley
Sneijder, Schweinsteiger, and Adler would make for an amazing summer silly season.
It never fails to amaze me that people think Carrick should be sold.
I didnt say he should be sold. I just have a feeling he might be a shock exit to freshen the side up a bit. He hasnt been playing particularly well for a while now if we're brutally honest, he's not getting any younger and we seem to be continually linked with other defensive midfielders. (Busquets, Diarra, Defour etc)
You inferred it by listing him amongst players you think will be sold, and have just done so again by suggesting his sale would freshen the side up.
And he's had a few games where he dropped off a bit but for the most part he's had a good season, he's just hugely under appreciated, especially on here. He played a big part in Andersons run of good form, allowing him the freedom to play his most effective game. Selling him makes no sense.
And he's had a few games where he dropped off a bit but for the most part he's had a good season, he's just hugely under appreciated, especially on here. He played a big part in Andersons run of good form, allowing him the freedom to play his most effective game. Selling him makes no sense.
It makes all the sense in the world and you know it, you simply refuse to believe it.
I don't see where Sneijder would fit into our team. He likes to play as the furthest forward in a 3 man midfield. I don't think i've ever seen him play in a 442 and that's what will be required of any midfield player we sign.
The transfer forum scares me at the best of times Doc, please don't join them!
remind me and I'll vote for you!