I hate this. Giggs is one of three established wingers at the club. Nani is not his replacement.
Are we heading for a big squad clear out?
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I hate this. Giggs is one of three established wingers at the club. Nani is not his replacement.
Nani was always bought as his replacement.
We have Nani, Valencia, Park as 3 senior wingers.
We have Bebe, Obertan and possibly Welbeck/Cleverly as 3 young wingers.
I personally think Obertan will step up this year anyway. So problem solved. We have no reason to invest any more money in our wingers frankly.
It's CM, GK and a possible Striker we need. Which will cost alot of money!
Bought as his replacement maybe, but that was before everyone realized he is actually much better on the right. I think another replacement is needed, as in a left footed winger. N'zogbia would do.
Whereas I think Obertan will make the grade allowing us to hold off on buying another winger.
Obertan is right footed though isn't he? SAF likes wingers whose natural foot is on that side. Valencia is a prime example of this, he's not a world beater but he's a very effective out and out winger.
I wouldn't mind if we didn't buy a left footed winger, I'd obviously rather see us spend big on a keeper like De Gea or a midfielder like Defour, Hamsik whomever, but someone like N'Zogbia for less than £15m would be a good buy. Bale for £30-40m is way over the top on the other hand.
You've only given one example it's hardly set in stone, Ronaldo was frequently played on the left just as Park has been and more recently Nani, the reason Valencia only plays on the right is because he is not as flexible as the others mentioned. Some players can play both sides and some are more comfortable cutting in and Fergie hasn't really shown a preference for which he prefers one way or the other so it isn't inconceivable for him to stick with Nani, Obertan, Valencia and Park once Giggs retires and anyway as long as we have Evra then we will always be dangerous on the left.
No he wasn't. This is Nani's 4th season. Giggs is still here.
Nani was bought because he's a quality young winger. He's nothing at all like Giggs.
It'll be a massive retirement party for sure.
Giggs, Scholes, Van der sar, Gary Neville...
maybe Fergie?
Giggs, Scholes, Van der sar, Gary Neville...
maybe Fergie?
Erm what was Giggs in the years of Webb, Sharpe and Walace?
In Giggs's fourth season, Ryan Giggs was a first choice winger, Webb and Walace had left, Kanchelskis came in and Lee Sharpe covered for both of them. The fourth choice winger then was, what Mike Phelan, Colin McKee?
Outside of Nani, Valencia, Park: United have Obertan, Bébé, Cleverley, Eikrim ... which to be fair is a little more depth than Phelan, McKee and an untried teenage trio of Thornley, Beckham and Gillespie. If not young wingers come and go (e.g. Richardson, Tosic, Eagles, Chadwick) and more would need to be brought in.
And surely Anderson should be able to cover for Giggs being in the centre? Probably may need another midfielder for competition, which would obviously have to double up as Paul Scholes' replacement.
Neville has been replaced.
A new keeper and midfielder is what we need.
I think Carrick should move on.
80k a week he's on and we might get a 7 or 8 million for him.
Bale, Rodwell please.
80k a week he's on and we might get a 7 or 8 million for him.
Bale, Rodwell please.
It's looking likely Scholes may even retire before Giggs ... Giggs as a temporary Scholes replacement?
I can see a fair few players moving on in the summer. Neville and Hargeaves are out fo contract and will be gone. I suspect Giggs will stay (unless he fancies a tilt at management with Wales) and Scholes will probably see how he fares for the remainder of the season.
Carrick is on the fringe and would bring in some decent money. I don't reckon Park will go but Brown will probably do off if anyone wants him.
Fergie's comments this week seem to suggest that he's aware that in the near future a few players will be needed and that their's money there if the right players are available.
Henderson looks decent from the relatively little games I've seen of him, and my Sunderland season ticket holder colleage reckons he's got real potential.
Rodwell will be a top class player and I can see us being linked with Bale.
I also suspect that Fergie may try to bring in one top class "big name" player from abroad to appease the fans and create a bit of hype, and a keeper will be needed if VDS decides he's had enough.
Should be interesting how things pan out in light of Rooney's new contract. Should have people speculating all sorts about what he's been promised will happen in the future.
Carrick is on the fringe and would bring in some decent money. I don't reckon Park will go but Brown will probably do off if anyone wants him.
Fergie's comments this week seem to suggest that he's aware that in the near future a few players will be needed and that their's money there if the right players are available.
Henderson looks decent from the relatively little games I've seen of him, and my Sunderland season ticket holder colleage reckons he's got real potential.
Rodwell will be a top class player and I can see us being linked with Bale.
I also suspect that Fergie may try to bring in one top class "big name" player from abroad to appease the fans and create a bit of hype, and a keeper will be needed if VDS decides he's had enough.
Should be interesting how things pan out in light of Rooney's new contract. Should have people speculating all sorts about what he's been promised will happen in the future.
I wouldn't pay 15 quid for him let along £15 million. Trouble with a capital "T" - thinks he's better than he is.
Bale would be expensive but looks very, very special. His performance the other night - against the European Champions, in the San Siro, 4 nil down - and at 21 years old - marks him out as someone with a very bright future.
Sometimes, to get the very best players you need to take a risk. £27 million on Rooney was a big one and it seems to be working out.
Agreed, our defence and strike-force is at an acceptable level (especially in terms of young players with good potential). This summer we need to buy a new goalkeeper and at least one central midfielder.
Bale will never join United.
True about Evra, but I still think we need a left footed player there, it just adds more versatility to the squad, and if we get a left footed player who can play on the right wing too and cut in it's hardly bad either. We've quite a few wingers and none of them are left footed.
Of course he would, but Spurs wouldn't sell them for a price we'd be willing to pay.
Indeed, we're talking upto 50million for Bale m'afraid. The time to buy Bale was last summer. Missed the boat on him.
Which means ... Bale won't join United.
Could see him retiring on the bench at City though.
Where would Bale play anyway? I can see Nani and Valencia being our first-choice wingers for the next few years.
Jordan Henderson is clearly overrated here. I know nobody will mind Rodwell but Henderson is a bit too much. He is not worth it. I wonder how much Rodwell is going to cost us if we decide to move for him?
They could be first choice wingers but you certainly can't expect them to play every game of the season. And if they have a dip in form, then we can play the in-form player. And what happens if one of them injured like Valencia is now. I, for one, would love to see Bale at United.
Like Park and Brown (with the exception that unlike the later, they will actually be fit and available to play more than once in a blue moon), only ten years younger, and on much lower wages. So we should get rid of the youngstersw and keep the old squad players?
'Won't' and 'Will never' imply 2 different things. One's personal, one isn't
Let me clarify then Bale will not join United and won't join United ... Satisfied?
£50 million is a tremendously high price for "love".
Carrick "earns" £70,000 a week. He has been dreadful for over a year and unless he bucks that trend this season he will be out of the door in the summer for whatever fee we can get for him, I feel. I don't think Gibson is great, but he can do a better job than Carrick has been doing of late in the squad player role that Michael has recently assumed and for far less money. We are also likely (hopefully) to be getting a new midfielder to take a starting place meaning we will have to make room somwhere.
I'd have no qualms about keeping Brown and I agree about how good he can be but he's on £60,000 a week keeping Hargreaves company in the treatment room. He's barely played since 2008. We have Rafael, O'Shea, Fabio who can play in that position, as can Evans or Fletcher if we really struggle. I'd let him go simply because ther eis no point keeping players who are never available to play.
Like Park and Brown (with the exception that unlike the later, they will actually be fit and available to play more than once in a blue moon), only ten years younger, and on much lower wages. So we should get rid of the youngstersw and keep the old squad players?
Say you get to the Champions League final this season... You have an injury stricken squad. Who would you rather play, Obertan and De Leat or Brown and Park?!
I know what i'd say.
Of course 50M is a ridiculous amount for Gareth Bale. He is worth 20M right now in my opinion.
Worth 20 million.. but to tempt Spurs into selling you would be talking 30 million+
How about Stefen Defour? Why are we talking about Henderson when there is Defour? Aren't we still linked with him? Is Defour primarily a defensive midfielder or is he more of a playmaker?
That is when you throw in an extra player plus 20M in a cash plus player deal.
So who are you offering them? Obertan lols
Either Anderson or Carrick - they could pick.
I would rather wait for Bebe to secure the LW position rather than spend a huge amount on Bale.
A bit audacious.
That's just being greedy. I don't like the idea of us having three really good players in a position where only two will play. Especially if it means we have to spend £30-40m (or above), bench a player who has been great for us and give fewer opportunities to our own youth players like Cleverly. Bale is a cracking player but I can't see sense (or, dare I say "value") in signing him now. He'd likely feel the same. Had we got him when he left Southampton, it'd possibly have been a different matter.
On current form, I'd pick Mike Phelan over Park, nevermind Obertan. Wes Brown or DeLaet, would most likely come down to who was fit, so the odds would be you'd have to go for DeLaet anyway.
I wouldn't mind to be honest, likes of Rodwell and Henderson are the type of youngsters we should be looking to bring to this club.. young, but more importantly have experience playing in the premiership rather than completely raw with little technique.