Are we heading for a big squad clear out?

RDCR07 said:
Of course 50M is a ridiculous amount for Gareth Bale. He is worth 20M right now in my opinion.
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It's not what you or Fergie or any manager thinks he's "worth" that counts.

The only thing that counts is what Spurs would be willing to sell him for - they set the price on his "worth" and the only choice that others have is to either pay up or walk away.

20m might buy you his right leg, but not his left.
 
I don't know if the if the clear out will be as excessive as this but who knows,
I do feel this coming summer will see a few changes made.

Henderson and Rodwell seem smart and realistic targets IMO, as for the keepers, I can see Lindergard coming as a back up but I'm not sold that De Gea will move at this point.

The jounro said 6 in but only named 4, my hope is one of the other 2 will be a more experienced player who is a genuinely ready to go top drawer player. for the other I'd like a left winger.
 
RDCR07 said:
Either Anderson or Carrick - they could pick.
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And I don't believe I have to say this Anderson will not and won't be joining Spurs! :rolleyes:

Seriously the last exchange United did with Spurs was £30.75 million + Fraizer Campbell on loan ... if they wanted Carrick, Anderson, or goodness who else you "don't love" at United, they would've demanded him as part of the deal and United would've have sold him.

Maybe if Rooney or Vidic or Evra were willing to go the otherway they'd consider ... but I'd doubt players like Berbatov and Carrick who've already came from there, would be considered.

Spurs - Bale`s not for sale!

Read the above, cry into a pillow if you want to but if that doesn't go down with you well then get your wallet out.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's not what you or Fergie or any manager thinks he's "worth" that counts.

The only thing that counts is what Spurs would be willing to sell him for - they set the price on his "worth" and the only choice that others have is to either pay up or walk away.

20m might buy you his right leg, but not his left.
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£20 million Bale's right leg

£50 million Bale signing a contract at United

Being owned by Rafael da Silva, John O'Shea and Gary Neville on various ocasions at a combined transfer value of £2.6 million ... priceless
 
NOTW claiming that SAF will be given 100mil in the summer.All bollocks of course.
 
I don't think you need 100 million.

If you spend wisely you could easily sell 20 mill worth of players and add a further 20 million and have a better team at the end of it.
 
If Giggs, Scholes, Neville, and Edwin are deemed ready to roll for another season, we'll be frugal in our activity again, however, if we lose 2 or more of those characters we'll make some sort of investment in established player's. That's just the impression I get.

We already have Rafael, who I've every faith will take the RB mantle for years to come, the rest will need replacing with adequate quality when they call it a day.

The one thing I'd insist that we do is cut our losses on Hargreaves and look to sign the box-to-box midfielder with a bit of everything in his game, that we have been lacking for a few years now. That has to be a priority IMO as our goal threat from CM is virtually non-existant and too much is demanded of Fletcher to be our ball-winner, I think his poor form this term is a result of this over-reliance for the last 18 months.
 
Rowem said:
No he wasn't. This is Nani's 4th season. Giggs is still here.

Nani was bought because he's a quality young winger. He's nothing at all like Giggs.
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No?

Sir Alex said:
"The idea was that Anderson would replace Scholes and Nani would replace Giggs in the long term," said Ferguson. "It is always a worry when you buy young players for a lot of money whether it is the right decision, but we can tell our judgment has been good with these two.
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It would be a shame to force Nani to the left, he's earned the right to play in the position where he is at his best.
 
Devil may care said:
It would be a shame to force Nani to the left, he's earned the right to play in the position where he is at his best.
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I think Nani is getting to the stage where he can almost be given a free role like Ronaldo was, and I think he would perform best given a free role but starting from the left.
 
Fiskey said:
I think Nani is getting to the stage where he can almost be given a free role like Ronaldo was, and I think he would perform best given a free role but starting from the left.
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When using a free role player it's vital you have another winger who can switch with you and a midfielder/striker who will pull wide to keep the shape, other than Rooney that doesn't suit most of our forward line, Berbatov is best central and Valencia is best hugging the touchline.
 
It could be argued that Nani is a replacement go Giggs, Rafael for Neville and Anderson for Scholes. At the minute, only Nani is close to to being able to step in immidiately without a 'bedding in' period. That's nothing against Anderson or Rafael but it's nigh on impossible to replace a legend without an impact.

And even if the players can step up and take the mantle, you still need to replace the retiring players in the squad, so replacements will be required regardless, even if they are youth players, who replace the replacemenst (for the veteran players). I think we definitely need some experienced players, whilst they dont need to be 'superstars', some proven quality in some key positions to gel with the youth and clear potential on the squad will be the difference between challenging and winning trophies.

It's strange as I am torn between being 'doom and gloom' as it's IMO the worst squad we have had for 20 years (in terms of where the players are at the moment, but they can improve and be better) but all it takes is a few signings and some players to improve their form (e.g Carrick) and people like Anderson pushing on an we will have a fantastic squad capable of challenging for the forseeable future.
 
I don't know if it's been mentioned but during the week Fergie mentioned that it's pretty hard to work in longer than 4 year cycles with players. At the end of this season, it will be 4 years since we signed Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez. I suppose it all depends on when Giggs and Scholes retire, and on a lesser note Edwin, as Fergie has pretty much said he may have to spend bid on quality to replace them.
 
Berlinknives said:
Seriously the last exchange United did with Spurs was £30.75 million + Fraizer Campbell on loan ... if they wanted Carrick, Anderson, or goodness who else you "don't love" at United, they would've demanded him as part of the deal and United would've have sold him.

Maybe if Rooney or Vidic or Evra were willing to go the otherway they'd consider ... but I'd doubt players like Berbatov and Carrick who've already came from there, would be considered
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
If Hargreaves doesn't make it back, I can see him going. Wes Brown seems to have fallen a bit low in the picking order now, unless there's an injury I'm unaware of. He's gone from being the best Right Back in the country for a year, to being effectively our fourth choice Right Back and fifth Choice Centre Back. He'd still get into a lot of Premier League sides though. His only shot at staying is if Neville goes (which he probably will) and Sir Alex wants a third Right Back option (it does seem to be the position he chops and changes a lot) and having a fifth Centre Back other than O'Shea is a benefit for Cup Games.

van der Sar has to be seriously considering going, but I don't think anyone would be surprised if he signs another one-year deal to give us more time on getting the replacement as we all know it won't be Kuszczak.

I won't read too much into it yet, but it's basically what everyone else has had a thought about so people will see the possibility. All the players mentioned above are coming to their last year(s) with Man Utd, or they're having some indifferent form and question marks have appeared. I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if almost all of those players leave, but I'm maybe expecting around half or less to leave.
 
Ferguson suggested at the end of last season the squad needed a clear our, but it never happened

I certainly think there are players that couldn't complain one bit if they were shipped out. Michael Carrick right at the head of the queue
 
i find it strange to hear people talk about paying over the odds for bale....

Ozil or Van der Vaart would have been much better signings at 13 and 8 million

I can see 3 players coming in at least and maybe one or two others depending upon the kind of season Carrick/Hargreaves/Brown/Anderson/Owen have

If i was going to pay 20/25 million plus I'd be expecting to buy world class - bale is far from that...

The worring thing is you can't make too many changes at once without seeing a drop in performance

I expect scholes will carry on for one more - maybe Giggs as well
 
buckooo1978 said:
i find it strange to hear people talk about paying over the odds for bale....

Ozil or Van der Vaart would have been much better signings at 13 and 8 million

I can see 3 players coming in at least and maybe one or two others depending upon the kind of season Carrick/Hargreaves/Brown/Anderson/Owen have

If i was going to pay 20/25 million plus I'd be expecting to buy world class - bale is far from that...

The worring thing is you can't make too many changes at once without seeing a drop in performance

I expect scholes will carry on for one more - maybe Giggs as well
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I agree with that 5 players in and 5 players out wouldn't really go done to well with cohesion for next season. However the spin would still be there Rio ,Vidic, Fletcher, Rooney?
 
buckooo1978 said:
i find it strange to hear people talk about paying over the odds for bale....

Ozil or Van der Vaart would have been much better signings at 13 and 8 million

I can see 3 players coming in at least and maybe one or two others depending upon the kind of season Carrick/Hargreaves/Brown/Anderson/Owen have

If i was going to pay 20/25 million plus I'd be expecting to buy world class - bale is far from that...The worring thing is you can't make too many changes at once without seeing a drop in performance

I expect scholes will carry on for one more - maybe Giggs as well
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If he was playing for United you'd be raving about him.

"world class" is a vague concept. Was his performance against Inter not "world class"? Right now he's as good as any left winger in the world and he's only 21 years old and the lad has a massive future ahead of him.

He'd be more expensive that other players on the basis that he's british and on a long contract with his current club but he's looking like he could be a top class player for the next decade at least.

Sometimes you've got to pay a bit over the odds and take the risk on a player.
 
WireRed said:
The one thing I'd insist that we do is cut our losses on Hargreaves and look to sign the box-to-box midfielder with a bit of everything in his game, that we have been lacking for a few years now. That has to be a priority IMO as our goal threat from CM is virtually non-existant and too much is demanded of Fletcher to be our ball-winner, I think his poor form this term is a result of this over-reliance for the last 18 months.
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Who did you have in mind exactly?

I'm not saying this isn't a good idea, but who is available, who would want to come at the right price. All the best options have recently moved unless Wesley Schneider can be persuaded.

Bale looks like a good shoe in as a replacement for Giggs though, but as its Spurs they'll inflate his price by about 30% for sure.
 
Berlinknives said:
£20 million Bale's right leg

£50 million Bale signing a contract at United

Being owned by Rafael da Silva, John O'Shea and Gary Neville on various ocasions at a combined transfer value of £2.6 million ... priceless
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That's like saying the combined value of Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Bojan is 0.
 
SiYuan said:
That's like saying the combined value of Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Bojan is 0.
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Shouldn't that tell you a lesson about youth development? :D

The player's valued at more than Nani, Valencia, Ronaldo and Park combined cost United... never mind the combined sales of Rafael, Neville and O'Shea could generate. :wenger:
 
Colin129 said:
Who did you have in mind exactly?

I'm not saying this isn't a good idea, but who is available, who would want to come at the right price. All the best options have recently moved unless Wesley Schneider can be persuaded.

Bale looks like a good shoe in as a replacement for Giggs though, but as its Spurs they'll inflate his price by about 30% for sure.
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I do like Defour, and as I've said in other threads I think there's just an air of inevitability in that one.
 
Fiskey said:
I do like Defour, and as I've said in other threads I think there's just an air of inevitability in that one.
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Who?

Edit: Alright I've read some more info on the Defour thread, but I hardly see this guy as the world class, marquee, quality signing that we are looking for, surely you don't see this guy as the answer to our problems?
 
Colin129 said:
Who?

Edit: Alright I've read some more info on the Defour thread, but I hardly see this guy as the world class, marquee, quality signing that we are looking for, surely you don't see this guy as the answer to our problems?
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The answer to out problems maybe pushing it but I think he's a good player who will fit in here and has the talent to develop. With Carrick's form getting more and more worrying perhaps the transfer will have to come a bit earlier than I think was planned.
 
Colin129 said:
Who did you have in mind exactly?

I'm not saying this isn't a good idea, but who is available, who would want to come at the right price. All the best options have recently moved unless Wesley Schneider can be persuaded.

Bale looks like a good shoe in as a replacement for Giggs though, but as its Spurs they'll inflate his price by about 30% for sure.
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I'll leave who to SAF and his scouts as the player's fitting that description are limited in terms of their availabilty(certainly within our budget anyway).

I would have gotten Khedira this summer, he would have been perfect and £11m is hardly earth shattering in the current climate and he also has room for considerable improvement at 23.

Now that ship has sailed, finding a similar player who's realistically going to come here is difficult. De Rossi would be another suggestion but I think he's another than falls into the unrealistic/too expensive category.
 
As usual, no one seems to have any answers...

Lets just add another adequate player to the squad & see how it goes.

Everyone bemoans our midfield problems and Scholes, the only one of real quality that we have, may be retiring at the end of the season.

Most peoples solutions is to spend £10M on someone with a bit of potential. I though we had Cleverly for that?

Either come up with some serious options or admit we have to make the best of what we've got. Maybe we can prise Schnider away?
 
Karel_Poborsky said:
De Rossi is a great player. But doesn't offer anything more than Fletcher to a football team.
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Are you sick? He's a box-to-box midfielder of a high quality, a leader, gets goals, tackles well, and as is apparent with his probable career-long stay at Roma, is loyal to the cause. He's a much better player than Fletcher(nothing against Fletcher but it's the way it is).

Having said that, he's not OT bound. Would add something different to us whilst taking the heat off Fletch to be our ball-winner though.

We need someone of a similar calibre to add some substance to our midfield. That much has been clear for donkey's years, even more so now that other parts of the team have reduced in quality over the last couple of seasons.
 
Colin129 said:
As usual, no one seems to have any answers...

Lets just add another adequate player to the squad & see how it goes.

Everyone bemoans our midfield problems and Scholes, the only one of real quality that we have, may be retiring at the end of the season.

Most peoples solutions is to spend £10M on someone with a bit of potential. I though we had Cleverly for that?

Either come up with some serious options or admit we have to make the best of what we've got. Maybe we can prise Schnider away?
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Sneijder isn't what we need, especially at that price. We need someone who can play CM in a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3, Sneijder is purely a playmaker who can only truly excel in a 4-2-3-1 with a free role behind the striker/front pairing if the system is tweaked.

We need someone who can defend and attack from midfield in equal measure, someone who can pass and break up play. Khedira would have been perfect at £11m IMO, also as I mentioned he has scope for improvement at that age but for whatever reason we never went for him.
 
RedRover said:
If he was playing for United you'd be raving about him.

"world class" is a vague concept. Was his performance against Inter not "world class"? Right now he's as good as any left winger in the world and he's only 21 years old and the lad has a massive future ahead of him.

He'd be more expensive that other players on the basis that he's british and on a long contract with his current club but he's looking like he could be a top class player for the next decade at least.

Sometimes you've got to pay a bit over the odds and take the risk on a player.
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World class isn't based on a performance or when on a collection of performances - we're talking year in year out brilliance otherwise nani/Valencia/giggs would be all world class

Let's not over rate the player
 
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