Are United done after De Gea, Jones and Young?
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I don't think United are done yet. There's still two months to go in this transfer window and a lot can happen between now and the end of August. There will be at least one more midfielder coming in this summer.
I sure hope we are not done yet. At least one more midfielder.
Not including a 37 year old Giggs, our midfield is Fletcher, Carrick and Anderson.
We need two midfielders imo.
We need two midfielders imo.
we still need a midfielder ala Sneijder/Modric/Nasri.
Can't see SAF going for them, they are too established names. Either of them would be great but they are not typical SAF signings.
In an ideal world, I'd love us to break the bank for Fabregas. Obviously, it'll never happen as he prefers Barcelona.
I despise the muppets on this site and would love for our transfer business to be done so they'd feck off but I'd say there's one more coming if available at the right price.
Big if though. In any event I'm pretty happy with the squad we have. Great all round team. Two world class midfielder's in Fletcher and Carrick and Anderson will join them in the season or so.
Big if though. In any event I'm pretty happy with the squad we have. Great all round team. Two world class midfielder's in Fletcher and Carrick and Anderson will join them in the season or so.
It might be it if SAF can't sign players of sufficient quality for the positions where we need strengthening.
Fletcher and Carrick World Class? Jesus, I've heard it all now.
Yeah, so let's just pretend that two first regular choice midfielders in our most succesful period in history (last five years) are average.
Goon.
we still need at least another top class central midfielder. two would be even better.
at the moment we have only carrick, fletcher, anderson and giggs as our CMs. scholes retires, hargreaves is release, while gibson is likely going to join another premiership club. given our injury record or luck with injuries over the years, we are going to have big problems during the course of the season if we didn't add another midfielder to the team.
what we desperately need is a midfielder who can tackle, pass and control the tempo of the game, like roy keane used to do...we were terrible away from home last season, i can remember us struggling and were dominated by the likes of wolves, WBA, bolton etc...
if we are going to sign a playmaker like sneijder or nasri, then it would be fantastic, but we perhaps needed a proper 4-4-2 central midfielder rather than a flashy playmaker right now.
just hope we are still going to sign at least another midfielder anyway...
at the moment we have only carrick, fletcher, anderson and giggs as our CMs. scholes retires, hargreaves is release, while gibson is likely going to join another premiership club. given our injury record or luck with injuries over the years, we are going to have big problems during the course of the season if we didn't add another midfielder to the team.
what we desperately need is a midfielder who can tackle, pass and control the tempo of the game, like roy keane used to do...we were terrible away from home last season, i can remember us struggling and were dominated by the likes of wolves, WBA, bolton etc...
if we are going to sign a playmaker like sneijder or nasri, then it would be fantastic, but we perhaps needed a proper 4-4-2 central midfielder rather than a flashy playmaker right now.
just hope we are still going to sign at least another midfielder anyway...
She's purty!....I know she also cage fights but hey!
I agree, we need a midfielder who can dictate play and hopefully combine with Rooney as Giggs did last season, and one steely DM.
They are far from average yet I still remain unconvinced by either of them at the very highest level. That said I think that a fit Fletcher may have got up Barca and unsettled them a bit more than we did at least. I'd have loved to see Keano in his prime take it to them.
That was due to us having a worldclass gk, defence and one of the best strikers in the world. The rest of the team practically carried the midfield which went missing in so many games. If you can't see the defiency in our midfield, i suggest you switch to watching another sport which you probably understand better.
ps: nobody said fletcher and carrick is average, but label them as worldclass??
This is the problem with the unrealistic expectation of our fanbase and the undervaluing of players like Fletcher and Carrick.
Sorry to break it to you, but there's no player like Roy Keane playing football at the moment. He was a once in a generation player. A impossible player to replace. Just like Paul Scholes will be impossible to replace.
We were blessed to have two such great players playing for us at the same time.
Even if such a player were available we're talking about 50 million signing, plus wages, and they'd be two teams who we can't compete with financially who'd be outright favourites to sign him.
Our best bet is Fergie unearthing someone none of us have ever heard of, but that isn't a given and will take time.
Our manager fortunately lives in reality land and doesn't dwell on the past. Fletcher and Carrick are good enough to run our midfield. Anderson just needs to add consistency to his game. Our midfield isn't in dire straights as some suggest. It's very good.
I wouldn't disagree with one more signing though.
an attacking midfielder at least...
Are you saying they are either average or World Class? Average is a rather vague term which seems to have been changed to mean shit these days. By what measure would we 'pretend' they are average? Average among who?
In any case, playing a lot of games doesn't mean you were an important part of any success or that you are world class. Of the major successes that we've had in the last 5 years, Fletcher has never been one of the most important players, indeed him catching a horrible virus was a major part of us reaching the Champions League Final this year, and in our biggest success of those 5 years (without which they would not be the most successful) he didn't even make the bench. The one season where he was a key player was the one where we lost the League.
Carrick you could make an argument for, we probably wouldn't have won the League in 06/07 without him, but it certainly doesn't on its own make him world class. He's achieved a lot, and been a good player for us when the system has suited him, but our success has been built on an excellent back 5, excellent wingers and excellent strikers, central midfield hasn't been a particularly strong point for us for nearly a decade now. It's certainly not necessary to have world class players in every area to achieve what we have achieved, just good ones. This is especially true when you have the likes of Vidic, Ferdinand, Ronaldo and Rooney as just some of the fantastic players who aren't playing in the area in question.
That was due to us having a worldclass gk, defence and one of the best strikers in the world. The rest of the team practically carried the midfield which went missing in so many games. If you can't see the defiency in our midfield, i suggest you switch to watching another sport which you probably understand better.
ps: nobody said fletcher and carrick is average, but label them as worldclass??
This!
I'm confident there will be two new additions and around four or five leaving, so we're far from done.
That was due to us having a worldclass gk, defence and one of the best strikers in the world. The rest of the team practically carried the midfield which went missing in so many games. If you can't see the defiency in our midfield, i suggest you switch to watching another sport which you probably understand better.
ps: nobody said fletcher and carrick is average, but label them as worldclass??
Problem is unlike you I don't just "Watch" football. I've been involved in the game all my life at various levels which gives me a greater appreciation of things that someone who admittely just "Watches" football.
Anyway, you don't become the most consistent team in Europe, plus the dominate the premiership if you don't have anything other that World Class midfielers. As I said they are not at the same level as Scholes and Keane in their prime who were just sheer masters of the game, but these players are so rare we'll just have to put up with meer world class players like Fletcher and Carrick.
Our midfield needs strengthening, thats not hard to see. Whether Fergie's going to do it by buying a midfielder or promote from within doesn't really bother me, we need more quality there. Fletch and Carrick are not really world class, but they are good players capable of world calss performance once a while, and our success in the last 5 years were more to do with the sheer brilliance of other players rather than our midfield.
i am not undervaluing fletcher or carrick. fletcher has always been good for us, especially in those big games. carrick at his best is a very good player to have, and he was immense against chelsea, and was in good form towards the end of last season.
but did you watch those away games of last season, to be honest we were quite frustrating to watch really..what i meant is we need someone who can help and control the midfield, like roy keane used to do, not a player like roy keane himself, i would be the first one to admit there is no player like roy keane at this moment of time.
i've watch a bit of ever banega, and he came across like someone who can tackle, pass, and even has some good skills in his bags. he might be the kind of the player that we needed .(maybe not banega himself but he is the type of a player that we perhaps needed the most at this moment)
Wouldn't that be nice?
Even if you subscribe to the opinion that Carrick and Fletcher* are excellent CMs, as I do myself, we are certainly looking short on numbers and options in terms of actual proper CMs.
*and potentially Anderson.
*and potentially Anderson.
yup, wanting us to sign another midfielder or two doesn't mean we undervalued or didn't appreciate what we already have with our midfield players now.
it is just that there is a room for improvement in that area..and the others are getting better as well so we need to make sure we are always a step above our challengers.
it is just that there is a room for improvement in that area..and the others are getting better as well so we need to make sure we are always a step above our challengers.
The frustrating thing about our away performances were so very bizarre defending errors and inability to take chances. I don't remember the midfield being the "stand out" problem with our poor away form, though I do remember a couple of disasterous passes in midfield that led to goals. We were poor all over the park. I think it was more to do with psychological problem, rather than a quality players problem.
I have also watched the youtube clips of Benaga in that thread. Admittedly he looks very impressive in those, but let's not forget United would have had tracks on him since he was a teenager, and there's probably reasons why Fergie isn't interested in him whether it's because he believes that he wouldn't be suited to the game in England or because there's something about his lifestyle or temperament he doesn't like. Someone also posted a good article on the stats revoluton in football, maybe there's something ridiculous about his game that just wouldn't suit United's midfield like only running a limited amount of km's or how his performance tapers of after certain minute mark?
Who knows? Don't you think for such an internet hit it's funny there's not many big clubs chasing his signature at the moment?
Reminds me of the hype behind Riquelme and Aimar.
It will happen, depending how long Fergie decides to stick around. He's not going to panic buy in the mean time though. Not when he has the likes of Fletcher and Carrick and to a lesser extent Anderson around. They have proven they are good enough to be first team starters in succesful European and Premier League sides.
I have said it muliple threads that we need another midfielder and Fergie will sign one given the right circumstances.
I just detest this "movement" among fans who believe our midfield is poor and not good enough. One bellend even said it's the 14th best in Europe. This is just nonsense. Our midfield is the best in England and among the top side in world, excluding Barcalona who are just so far ahead in the midfield department at the moment they would be impossible to catch.
You are deluded!
We are only successful because of the front and back! The middle is our weakness and needs to be addressed.
Time to remove the rose coloured spectacles.
Didn't Gill say that he had a busy few weeks ahead of him before he goes on holiday at the end of June? 3 transfers later and it's the end of June...
That said, it does seem to be a trend that most big transfers don't happen til late july right through august.
That said, it does seem to be a trend that most big transfers don't happen til late july right through august.
Agreed. At most we'll get one though. I think Fergie will try anyway.
From the United website....worth bearing in mind.
Contradiction much?Actual mentalism
I doubt that is our lot. We still haven't addressed our midfield problem. Young has come in and will do a great job for us, but we are still 1 world class midfielder short.
There is an enormous gap between "average" and "world class" (whatever that means).
Carrick and Fletcher are both very good players to have, but neither has the class or ability at the top level to be the attcking pivot that the team seems to lack.
Spot on.
United got overran in midfield last season on a number of occaisions - Wolves away being the most painful example.
Fergie seems to realise the limitations in his sqaud given the shoeing we got against Barca where even though they obviously played very well, United were also very poor, unable to keep the ball even for short periods of time.
His comments since suggest he'll make some big changes but i suppose we'll have to wait and see.
Can't see it being us "done". We got smashed by Barca and in the league Chelsea will most certainly be better than last season and they will strengthen. At this moment despite improving the squad and hopefully the first team in the long run, we haven't actually improved the first team NOW, there's even an argument that it's obviously weaker due to losing Edwin and bringing in the young De Gea.
I feel we'll need to be better than last year to win the title, in fact I'm certain of it, and therefore we need to strengthen our first team for the coming season, most of of know that we're excellent at the back, on the wings and up top so....
I feel we'll need to be better than last year to win the title, in fact I'm certain of it, and therefore we need to strengthen our first team for the coming season, most of of know that we're excellent at the back, on the wings and up top so....
That's the day (and there were many last year that had me close), that I finally gave up on the Fletcher/Carrick midfield combo, as a 2 they are just not good enough against the best. Both can offer a LOT, but not together in a 2.
It would be madness not to buy at least one midfielder