How many do you think we should spent every year?
Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news
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How many do you think we should spent every year?
They have invested 400 m plus, the problem lies with the managers and Woodward who all had different visions and didn't spend it on right players.
When did they invest that out of their own pockets, or do you mean the club has invested 400m of the money it's generated?
You do know that money out of the owners pocket are written as debt in the financial book do you? One day they asked their money back is the day your club is fecked
The point is more than 400m has been invested in the squad by the club, one can't blame the glazers directly for the shambles on the pitch, with the lack of investment as a reason for the shambles on the pitch.
The only blame lies with them is the way, they handled the structural side of things pre and post Saf and gill retirement and some lack of proactivity in recruitment side of things. The managers, ceo's and scouts incompetence in using the money in the right way is not down to glazers.
If we get Saudi as owners we don't need to worry about players not wanting to renew their contracts!
I think you're misunderstanding, I'm saying the Glazers haven't put any money into the club without it being a loan. Everything that the club has invested, could have been invested without the Glazers.
But the original point was the Glazers have been taking off the top when that money could have been invested further into the squad.
It's a very one sided view of analyzing things, as they are also responsible for increasing our revenues each year and us being one of the highest earners in club football despite shambles on the pitch with the marketing model they employed and brought money in so as to be self sufficient and still having the capacity to spend 400 m plus. It's not a bad position to be in, certainly. How many self sufficient clubs can afford that?
Of course right now that’s the case.
But I refuse to believe somebody will just stop supporting united after years of following them.
Right now People say they’ll do it but in the end they won’t. They'll still watch, they’ll still go to matches, buy the kit etc
It would be awesome if we could have a sugar daddy that actually invests in the club instead of sucking it off dry like the Glazers, but for some reason these kind of takeovers only happen to plastic clubs like City and PSG.
Glazers have indeed increased revenues but with the sole aim of lining their own pockets.
I followed United since 6, haven’t missed a match since I was 11 or so. The day this club got bought out by the Saudis is the day I stop watching. It’s no fault of the club, but I wouldn’t support anything having to do with that regime.
Football, despite what Shankly said, isn’t bigger than life and death.
All clubs have increased their revenues due to the massive tv deals and while the glazers may have increased them in certain areas the amount is peanuts to what they have skimmed off plus the intrest payments the club has to make to buy it for them.
Less than 15 years ago we broke the bank to get Rooney (30 million IIRC)
Clubs like Watford can spend that today.
The glazers have not been good for Manchester United in any way at all.
Torture and murder to start with.
I feel the same way. I desperately, desperately hope that this is just media bollocks because if it happened, it would leave a massive hole in my life.
Glazers. Utd. Kids. Wife.
It always surprises me how people continually give their money to these guys for oil products, but then suddenly have moral reservations when these guys are spending that money given to them by the morally hurt guys. If you don't like them, you shouldn't give your money to them. But then you'd have to give up luxury like driving, flying, plastic products, etc. and actually do something yourself. In any case we're all guilty now, by keeping them in power with our money.
Well, okay. Many fans like me will still watch United. And I'm sure many overseas fans and new young fans also just like me. As long as we can dominate football again, buying superstars. We will be more interesting to watch.
It is going to happen and we may get used to it. Glazers will sell to highest bidder no matter who it is. This is not going to go away, the saudis are intent on buying and it will happen.
Glazers or Saudis? Its a no brainer, MBS for the record is a lifelong Utd fan, whereas the Glazers on the other hand have absolutely no affinity for the club whatsoever and for those of you alarmed at the prospect of being owned by the Saudis then first consider that its all the Glazers doing in the first place in entertaining such an idea, get it? They've never had any love for the club whatsoever and only own the club which they've never paid for in order to make themselves richer and lets no go into moral details when the Glazers themselves throw in $$$ from your pockets into shady goings on in certain parts of the middle east, Salman on the other hand if he buys the club at least won't be doing so for his own financial gain and after 14 years of debt the club would be debt free and finally be able to compete again for 1st and not some ridiculous aim of trying to get into the top 4....
The premise of that is that our moral hypocrisy is ok and we should look the other way, and to state otherwise is just whining? How convenient for us, this way we can keep buying our luxuries from them so they can continue their ways, and not feel bad about it! Except when they buy your football club of course.
Well, they bought a business.
I agree with you, but Shankly was living in a very different society.
In a post-Brexit UK this kind of deal will be encouraged by a government no longer bound by European safeguards. Get ready for some pretty repulsive marriages to fortune. In this case the Saudi’s would play the tradition card at first and then the club would change into an icon of a very dubious royal family. British football lost its soul to money a long time ago so most fans won’t care, but in a small way this kind of deal would co-opt us to to a very different set of moral values and challenges.
If it happens I would face the prospect of losing my greatest emotional attachment for almost 60 years - painful but I would have to let it go. Sometimes there are just more important things than football.
Might be a broad generalisation, but it seems more English people have an issue with this sale happening, and fans from aboard seemingly don’t care. Which is a bit odd, as having a problem with that regime should be worldwide.
Everyone would like their club to be locally owned and run by one of their own fans! The world has changed dude.
As unsavoury as it may sound I would rather switch our current owners for one that would see us debt free. I would also rather have owners that just for their own ego want to be bigger and better than all the rest.
Our current owners just want bigger bank accounts.
Ownership can change. Times can change. Football, regardless of owners is about getting the ball in the net. The rest isn’t worth fans worrying about anymore, we can’t control it. Just enjoy the games.
In my case it comes from direct experience of living and working with that country and region in the past. There is no way I would sign up for anything to do with that society.
The issue isn't about where they are from but who they are. For some reason people are still ignoring that we are talking about the royal family not a random businessman from Saudi Arabia.
The ‘world’ as in people hasn’t changed that much as you say but capitalism certainly has. When the club was owned by the Edwards they retained an attachment to the community. That has been eroded and now all but gone. The community still wants their club back but its successive governments and capital that has obstructed those wishes irrespective of political persuasion. Not every society has allowed this kind of thing to happen as we know from European clubs and many have retained their community links, still made money, and even bought top players. The potential for a communal base has always been there but we’ve been obstructed by thirty years of self interests.
It's a mistake to think the current money from the middle east is any different, like they are doing it for their ego or to put their country in a better light.
They are just more aggressive, better initial investors than the Glazers. Once the brand has been pushed up by the initial money, it is about earning them money and the wild investments will go down. We've seen it at Chelsea with the Russian, we're currently seeing it at Man City who won't pay for their targets any longer, and we'll be seeing it at PSG at some point.
They are just putting their money at work by diverging it into different investments. At some point they all turn into Glazers, they don't got this rich by pissing money away. So what's left once you realize the current and future owners in English football just want to earn money from the clubs. Well, just the hope that they do business so well it is profitable for both club and owner (a bit like the Glazers, but hopefully not like Arsenal were 4th is good enough). Still will have to compete with Real and Barca were a large chunk of the money doesn't go to the president.
If the Saudis buy Utd for 4 billion it means they will want to earn that back plus their additional investments plus future profit, in other words, you'll be leeched again with the biggest initial chunk going to the Glazers.
Suspect that this is going to happen, too much smoke and too many contracts being renewed across the playing staff, Glazers probably want to cut and run tbh given the debt still severe, stadium needs redevelopment and wages and transfer fees becoming more and more exorbitant, plus this Salman guy is a lifelong Utd fan it just seems an obvious deal.
You missed the point completely.
Partaking in a structure by design doesn’t make you a hypocrite when you criticise those who abuse such structures.
‘Stop buying oil products if you don’t like the Saudis’ isn’t an argument.
You can be sure that fans of City, Liverpool, Chelsea probably even Barcelona and Madrid absolutely don't want this to happen....
Indeed, people are somehow missing that the talk is going not about “the Saudi money” per se, but rather about the next Saudi King in particular.
Currently, MBS reports only to his father, but soon enough he will be reporting to no one
Currently, MBS reports only to his father, but soon enough he will be reporting to no one
Why would anyone want to buy United 4 billion, when it needs massive investment to be back on top again, and all source of sponsorship have been exhausted?
They can just buy Newcastle, then spend 2 billions on players; and they'll have much better team with some change and more sponsorship opportunities.
They can just buy Newcastle, then spend 2 billions on players; and they'll have much better team with some change and more sponsorship opportunities.
Nah I didn't miss the point. We are already hypocrites, and you doubled that by portraying yourself as a poor innocent victim of society, just so you can go on consuming your luxuries while pointing the finger, so you can keep feeling good about yourself. Do you know what isn't an argument? Dismissing an entire argument with a logical fallacy because otherwise you'd have to accept some guilt to the situation.
The prince is a Manchester United fan
Because Man utd and Newcastle utd are like night and day.
It's not that simple though is it. Chelsea was bought with that same thought process including hiring our CEO to make then bigger than United. 15 years later and with almost the same amount of trophies as United, Chelsea are no where close to the United from a financial, number of fans or commercial opportunities point of view.
Sorry Patrick, but all you’ve done is highlight the fact that they are not interested in the football side of things (reminder: we are a football club) and only interested in profit for themselves. You need look no further than Woowoo. Zero football experience/money man. Their puppet.
You say we’ve spent 400m? We lost talent far in excess of that and replaced it with Valencia, Buttner, Michael Owen, a geriatric Schweinsteiger etc etc
We were the biggest earners long before they arrived
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