They bought a business, it was a business when they bought it and it's actually the reason why they have been able to purchase it.
Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news
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They bought a business, it was a business when they bought it and it's actually the reason why they have been able to purchase it.
I laugh at the posts equating the Glazers being capitalist cnuts with the Saudi royal family'' cnutishness.
I can only say as I've gotten older, I care less and less about big name players and titles. I care more and more about what I like to think this club represents.
There are effects of that shitstain of a regime all over the world, for me close to home in my native country. Football is not the most important thing. I'm not saying everyone should be a sjw, each individual can draw his own line.
From a financial pov, I can't see the Glazers selling for £3.8bn. I don't even think the Saudis are very buoyant atm. The sale of Aramco has gone tits up, they have some political turmoil with the family infighting. Think this will go along the way of that Red Knight bullshit.
I can only say as I've gotten older, I care less and less about big name players and titles. I care more and more about what I like to think this club represents.
There are effects of that shitstain of a regime all over the world, for me close to home in my native country. Football is not the most important thing. I'm not saying everyone should be a sjw, each individual can draw his own line.
From a financial pov, I can't see the Glazers selling for £3.8bn. I don't even think the Saudis are very buoyant atm. The sale of Aramco has gone tits up, they have some political turmoil with the family infighting. Think this will go along the way of that Red Knight bullshit.
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Isn't it only the Sun that's referring to this rumor? They're horrible when it comes to reliability.
We don't need handouts like that massive club from Ardwick to win trophies. No thanks. Keep that dirty blood money away from the greatest club in the land.
Quick question
Considering the current and historical political factors if Saudis do end up buying the club does that mean we can easily buy City players considering how the sheiks from UAE are biggest supporters of the Saudis and toe their line when it comes to foreign relations .
Considering the current and historical political factors if Saudis do end up buying the club does that mean we can easily buy City players considering how the sheiks from UAE are biggest supporters of the Saudis and toe their line when it comes to foreign relations .
Let' hope that massive club from Ardwick don't win the quadruple eh? You would think the Glazers will have to sell sometime. There is a limit to what the club can be worth and the TV deals will reach a ceiling. Unfortunately the club needs a bottomless pit of money to compete. We aren't competing if you hadn't noticed. Could the money come from a better source, of course, but anybody/country who makes a lot of money usually tramples someone underfoot in the process. My own country is a good example of that.
That's a good idea. Buy City as well and they can be our super duper bench.
No.
buy 15 clubs in the Premier league and invest 200m in transfer window summer for each club every year so we can try to relegate Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. P.S we sell many players from City and fill them with beadwork and get relegated.
The reason we don't compete is down to technical mistakes not money and it's something that has happened to pretty much all the clubs on earth included the ones currently thriving.
We've out spent three of the last five EPL winners and people think we are failing cause of money.
Why do people bring up the fit and proper test in relation to the Saudis?
I was under the impression the test is to ensure the people buying the club will not send it into ruin? I didn't think it was a test to ensure buyers got their money morally?
If anything the Glazers would fail such a test in this day due to the debt they piled on the club.
I was under the impression the test is to ensure the people buying the club will not send it into ruin? I didn't think it was a test to ensure buyers got their money morally?
If anything the Glazers would fail such a test in this day due to the debt they piled on the club.
That's the sad truth.
But you can't deny, surely, that United have massively underperformed given the money spent by the current ownership. Our wages have been the highest in world football - or very close - for years now. We're the grand exception to the rule which states that the clubs with the highest wage bills win the most trophies. And that's down to the way the club is run (and the team managed) - not down to being unable to match City penny for penny in every regard.
Leverage buyouts are not prohibited under the fit and proper tests.
But it is a football club, first and foremost. If you want to bring it down to business, then you have to recognise that they have neglected the product. Lose sight of that and they will lose the sponsors which were attracted to the club because of our status and image built up over decades before these leeches came along. I wonder how clever Woowoo would be in attracting sponsors to Newcastle or Everton?
I seriously don't want saudi's and their blood money in my club, being associated with that awful regime would drag our good name, our football and moral values through thet thick, gooey oil sludge.
Largely down to the fact that not only has that money nowhere near replaced umpteen world class players lost since Ronaldo left, due to inadequate funding and what players were purchased were soon discarded by the next manager who had different ideas and also because Woodward thought it was a good idea to buy Fred, Sanchez etc and watch players who we needed, go to clubs who had less pull and less money.
If the club was run correctly and the right targets identified we would not need oil money.
We have the biggest revenues in the world. If you add up how much we have spent and replace those players with those signed at other clubs for the same outlay we could have had a fantastic side already.
Yes more investment is required but it has to be the right investment and not just for the sake of it.
We have the biggest revenues in the world. If you add up how much we have spent and replace those players with those signed at other clubs for the same outlay we could have had a fantastic side already.
Yes more investment is required but it has to be the right investment and not just for the sake of it.
Sorry this is off topic but I find that nickname brilliant
@JPRouve has mentioned about that. I just worry if we let things just roll along as they are things won't change. Some of the contract renewals we have been handing out show that. It is like they are just wanting to keep players forever and do not want to change as the ones running the club might lose a bit of power. Yes a DOF might change that, but if it is another yes man then Ed will still be buying who he wants. Unfortunately I am probably still very worried about Ole becoming our manager and I am not entirely sure why. I very much doubt the Saudi's would pick him, they would go for the best out there.
If the Saudis do buy us it’s because of what some refer to as soft politics or sports washing, the idea that they won’t buy us until the whole Khashoggi affair dies down (pardon the pun) is bollocks in my opinion, it could be perfect timing.
Look at what the owners of city have done, whatever your opinion of them as a club or how you view their owners, they have invested heavily in the squad, the stadium and more importantly the surrounding area, creating jobs and stability in an area that for years was deprived and run down, does it matter to those city fans about the morality of their owners, does it matter to the people that live and work in that area, does it matter to all those charities that city back and support, does it feck. Times that by 100% and then you have what that could offer in Manchester United, it wouldn’t just be part of the city of Manchester it would be a billion fans from across the globe. It wouldn’t take long for those billion supporters to suddenly forget about the morals of the Saudi government, it wouldn’t take long for all those charities and businesses that are now being highlighted and fawned over on the TV and in the media, they build a new stadium with all the glitz and glamour that would bring, they invest in the local area, they send the players and ambassadors of the club around the world pictured with the poor and in the most deprived areas, not just in Manchester but around the world, look at what that could do for the princes Saudi vision 2030.
Yes it would cost them billions but what they could make out of it would be priceless. It makes total sense to buy Manchester United now and I could be wrong here but I don’t think that Newcastle United have that sort of global reach.
Replacing world class players with (ready-made) equivalents has become very difficult. But having enough money to outbid PSG for Neymar isn't the only way in which a club like Manchester United can be competitive. We've been poorly managed - it's mainly that. Forget about the Fergie era - we can debate all day long whether more should have been invested between the Glazer takeover and Fergie's retirement. Just look at the money spent in the Woodward era: give that money to competent, progressive, innovative people - and I guarantee you that the end product won't be 7th, 4th, 5th, 6th and 2nd in the league (and a country mile and a half off anything resembling any proper challenges for the top prizes).
I hardly feel good about myself that I’m powerless to do anything about the society I live in, but I don’t choose to beat myself over it. The only way for you to remove yourself from the system in order to be able to criticise it in your absurd standard is to cease to exist, because chances are even if you live as a hermit that land would still fall under eminent domain of a state complicit in murder/oppression. That’s why it isn’t an argument, or if it is, not a very intelligent one.
I wouldn't say that they have neglected the product and I actually think that it's a ridiculous take. Until 2013 United were one of the top 5 teams in the world and the main asset was the best manager in football history, the particularity of United is that it was managed by the same man for 26 years and by the end he was essentially the club. The issue with the Glazers is that they didn't anticipate his departure, they didn't reduce his weight in the club which would have made his departure less crucial, objectively we can blame them for that because it's their responsibility but the truth is that most fans were against the idea of changing the structure of the club then and a lot are still against it now. I'm pretty sure that they didn't do it because SAF is Manchester United biggest icon.
Also people often talk about PSG and competing with them but PSG have been a mess since Leonardo left, they haven't really improved even though they spent a fortune and they haven't bridge the gap with the absolute best. The main issue for PSG is that they haven't replaced Leonardo, they lost his expertise and network, and no amount of money have made the difference because in sport the most important thing is expertise, money is great, it makes things easier but money can be thrown out of the window very easily, that's what PSG and United have done in the last 4 years.
Think there has been a terrible lack of judgement from the top regarding managers, which has led to a terrible lack of judgement in the purchase of players, although the playing side purchases were going awry before SAF left. We went a bit Spursy, getting a big fee for someone and instead of spending that money on a world class player, we spread it around a number of players. That is fine if you fall lucky and uncover a gem, but we didn't and have paid for it ever since.
I agree.
I'm genuinely not sure i can bring myself to pay any money in to the club if this goes through.
We don't spread it around a number of players though, United is one of the clubs that concentrates its transfer budget on a relatively small amount of players and we spend a fortune on them. Just an example, the money that we spent on Lindelof and Bailly is/was a lot of money for CBs, more or as expensive as the likes of Umtiti, Skriniar, Hummels and others. Players like Fred and Lukaku were also very expensive, Shaw and Schneiderlin in that transfer window were expensive too. The issue for United isn't "how much" but "who who spend on" and "for whom", the latter is also important in terms of spending since our last full time manager was on a massive contract, so again money wasn't the issue.
What I'm saying isn't an excuse for the club or the owners because ultimately they are responsible but the issue isn't money related.
We bought Berbatov who did not fit United's style, great player but not for us. Then Owen, Obertan. Valencia was good at first, but somehow has ended up at RB, so never sorted his position at RW ever since. We have had several kids who were supposedly the next someone but weren't. Fellaini the panic buy, Mata another who is lovely, but does not fit our style. Then once LvG and Jose came in the list got longer and longer.
There's more than just being able to pump crazy money in team so that you can outbid any other club and sign all the best players. Sure it sounds tempting, especially during these hard times, but we'd be selling our soul, something we've been building and nurturing for a long, long time and that's just not worth it in my book. I want UTD to win it all, always and be the best, but there's other ways which doesn't involve becoming an infamous saudi prince' toy.
UTD is something more, it's the charm of "Old Trafford", it's the pride of being the only club in the world having that 80y long unbroken string of having at least one Academy graduate player in our team in every game, it's the greatness of Sir Matt Busby and the legend of the "Busby babes", it's the Munich tragedy, it's the rise back to the top, it's the "attack, attack, attack" manta...it's the the hard times, it's the romantic myth of winning it all with the "class of '92", it's the legendary SAF and the beauty of the "Busby way", and it's so, so much more.
UTD is something more, it's the charm of "Old Trafford", it's the pride of being the only club in the world having that 80y long unbroken string of having at least one Academy graduate player in our team in every game, it's the greatness of Sir Matt Busby and the legend of the "Busby babes", it's the Munich tragedy, it's the rise back to the top, it's the "attack, attack, attack" manta...it's the the hard times, it's the romantic myth of winning it all with the "class of '92", it's the legendary SAF and the beauty of the "Busby way", and it's so, so much more.
Never have I mentioned the fact that they are the perfect owners, my point has always been that the investment problem had been blown out of proportion with them as owners. The money we have spent post saf was enough to build a top footballing team in the current era itself, but the problem always lied in structural side of things at the club and a managers who were given a free hand with an incompetent footballing structure behind the scenes who was not proactive and wise enough to understand the football dynamics and playing philosophes in modern football.
Still I could say a proper footballing manager with attacking instincts would have taken this squad to second in league table than the shambles we hired for last 6 years post saf.
The Glazers won't sell unless a whopping great offer comes in. I'm not comfortable with the Saudi investment.
Of all the filthy rich men in the world, it's gotta be the murderous one that has the power over life and dead in what gotta be one of the most oppressive regimes in the world where civil rights are just a pipe-dream wishful thinking that can get you killed, is trying to buy our club.
I would rather be a shit team than have Arab owners.
The worst part is if that guy is really interested in buying our club, that whopping great offer is likely to come in, since the mofo's worth is estimated at around $850 billion.
And me.
If the offer came, I hope you Manchester people would do anything to prevent the murderer from taking over this club.
So do you think the Glazer's will appoint a DOF which is badly needed, spend hundreds of millions on the team in the summer which is badly needed and then invest hundreds of millions on the training facilities and stadium which are also needed. You might think OT is quaint, but the facilities are now badly outdated. If you don't like the Saudi's I understand, but you go out and find us someone who can invest that sort of money but pleases your sensibilities.
Yeah it really does seem that way, which depresses me. Normally I think the whole local fan/foreign fan divide is nonsense, but it’s spot on in this case.
As a foreign fan who is entirely against it, it disturbs me to see how accepting, and even downright happy people are about the possibility of this happening, the vast majority of them also being foreign fans. “Mbappé and Neymar” is all that matters to most, as it turns out.
Personally I hope this never happens.
The mail mentioned it too....which doesn’t actually help to back up the claim
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