Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news

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sam147 said:
I would rather be a propaganda machine for a Saudi regime while dominating football than being a cash cow for a bunch of leeches while being insignificant. A few more years of incompetence from Woodward and dividends being shared out and the club will be years behind all our rivals. Right now we still have a chance. Its a no brainer. All Saudis will do is invest what we make back into the club which is how it should be.
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Me too.
 
Snow said:
Where do you draw the line? You don't mind someone that owns slaves, shits on women and allows them to be stoned to death for nothing and is rich because he's in a position to screw over a whole nation. Kim Jong-Un would be fine as well?
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It's quite hard to play this game in todays world though.

I use Uber, and no doubt various plastic/oil products that are sourced in SA. I also buy Apple products knowing how badly they treat workers. Most of us do it seems.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
They will wait until the next broadcasting deal for EPL is done. With Amazon wanting to get into the streaming market the price is going to increase substantially, and the potential value of MUFC will also increase. More money to the Glazers. Unless someone puts £4b+ on the table, the club will remain under the same owners until 2021 when the new deal is negotiated.
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There is very little to suggest any significant increases in the TV deal are to be expected.

Quite the opposite.

The last renewal saw no growth in the price whatsoever.
 
Tarrou said:
It's quite hard to play this game in todays world though.

I use Uber, and no doubt various plastic/oil products that are sourced in SA. I also buy Apple products knowing how badly they treat workers. Most of us do it seems.
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Choosing to directly supporting the Prince is another matter than a plastic product might be sourced from oil somewhere in the Middle-East. However it's not that hard because you can go by without using much plastic in your life.

You can find out where you fill up your car. The petrol that I use isn't sourced from Saudi Arabia.

Treating workers poorly is not comparable to the Saudi Arabian regime. Buying an Apple phone is more comparable to buying a Rockstar game. The US treats their workers poorly too.
 
kidbob said:
The end of the women's team surely.
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Haha

On another note, I am of the belief that only way we will become a top team again and continuously challenge for the PL/CL is if we are sold and are at least able to reinvest everything we make back into the team.

How else can you compete with teams that actually make more money than you and do exactly that (Real, Barca) or clubs that have supplemental outside money coming in (Coty, PSG)??
 
sam147 said:
I would rather be a propaganda machine for a Saudi regime while dominating football than being a cash cow for a bunch of leeches while being insignificant. A few more years of incompetence from Woodward and dividends being shared out and the club will be years behind all our rivals. Right now we still have a chance. Its a no brainer. All Saudis will do is invest what we make back into the club which is how it should be.
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Don't understand views like this.

No one argues the Glazers have geared up on United's worth but they've also created value/income streams too - most businesses that do this/make profit, take Divs out. How that can ever be worse than a Saudi owner who would (as you say yourself) use our club for propaganda to try and offset the flak they get from 95% of the world's population for slavery, abuse, murder, etc... ?

You'd trade everything that's gone into making our club what it is today, to be .... "significant"?
 
Swap one load of shit owners for another mmmm. The big gain would be we would probably end up with a 130000 seater stadium, with the 11 biggest named stars on the planet. Money being no object and FFP not coming into it. The sheikh is worth £850 Billion apparently.
 
red thru&thru said:
It really is going to happen. Nothing any of us can really do.
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We can turn our backs on the club but I suspect that would be only a symbolic protest and wouldn't last. Emotional investment in the club is a very poor second to the monetary kind and, such is the world of football these days, it's the latter which counts.
 
Snow said:
The US treats their workers poorly too.
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Countries that don't are few and far between. Just look at Britain if you want a case study in how workers' rights have been eroded in the space of one generation.
 
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Who cares how many people they behead on the street or in stadiums. As long as we can buy Mbappe.
 
The glazers have been here since 2005 and within 14 years they have turned the club into a Spurs/Chelsea type club of the 90s.
We are way behind the top clubs in Europe and still around 300 million in debt plus the stadium and training ground are more of less exactly the same as the day before they took over.

The Saudis are one of only a few who can afford to rid us of these money grabbing parasites.


They need to sell the club to someone who wants Manchester United to be the best team in the world and not just the most profitable one.


I'm all for it.


Bring it on.
 
Snow said:
Choosing to directly supporting the Prince is another matter than a plastic product might be sourced from oil somewhere in the Middle-East. However it's not that hard because you can go by without using much plastic in your life.

You can find out where you fill up your car. The petrol that I use isn't sourced from Saudi Arabia.

Treating workers poorly is not comparable to the Saudi Arabian regime. Buying an Apple phone is more comparable to buying a Rockstar game. The US treats their workers poorly too.
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Yeah I know its not comparable to SA, but my point is its all on the scale somewhere and its difficult to draw that line. Very difficult.
 
Snow said:
Where do you draw the line? You don't mind someone that owns slaves, shits on women and allows them to be stoned to death for nothing and is rich because he's in a position to screw over a whole nation. Kim Jong-Un would be fine as well?
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I don't think you read my post.
 
Tarrou said:
Yeah I know its not comparable to SA, but my point is its all on the scale somewhere and its difficult to draw that line. Very difficult.
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I find it easy to draw the line there. My line is drawn much lower than that.
 
This story has only reappeared due to the club releasing their latest financial results recently
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
Don't understand views like this.

No one argues the Glazers have geared up on United's worth but they've also created value/income streams too - most businesses that do this/make profit, take Divs out. How that can ever be worse than a Saudi owner who would (as you say yourself) use our club for propaganda to try and offset the flak they get from 95% of the world's population for slavery, abuse, murder, etc... ?

You'd trade everything that's gone into making our club what it is today, to be .... "significant"?
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They've created income streams based of what? Based of the clubs fans and the clubs success. They created extra revenue streams for themselves. We spend a smaller percentage of our revenue than Spurs have and apparently they are 'cheap' in the transfer window. We are not only a business are we? The fact is there is enough revenue generated for owners to invest into the club and get their profit. The glazers have not done this. They've leeched more than they should and they put a massive debt on our club. I would rather see us used as propaganda then become nothing. Our success is built on winning. Once we do not win for a long period of time the revenue streams will run dry and the Glazers will eventually sell after destroying the club and setting us back years. I am not bothered about what the Saudis do, the occasional billboard of United players and preseason tour in Saudi makes no difference to me. Politics should stay out of football, the USA has done far worse in other foreign countries. You will not find anyone in power who hasn't done the same. So the choice boils down to owners who invest the clubs own revenue into the club or ones who take it for themselves.
 
Snow said:
I find it easy to draw the line there. My line is drawn much lower than that.
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Where is your line then? And what does the line mean to you? Does it mean you just don't spend money on that thing? Or is it something more than that?
 
I dont care one bit about the morals of our owners as long as we are winning and dominating again. The glazers cant compete so bring on the house of Saud.
 
Bet some of you spoke differently a few years ago about PSG and City owners/club. A few years without success and people start selling their souls to the devil. Desperation is kicking in. The Saudis are the worst of the lot.

I would rather win one title in 20 years and celebrate it accordingly instead of winning 10 in 20 under these cnuts. Liverpool did alright the last few years without a sugar daddy in terms of challenging for trophies, didnt think our fanbase would be that thirtsy.
 
So much for all the rumours and stories, few saw the Glazers coming and I suspect few will see them leave, that's the nature of their 'growing the asset' approach. What was the club valued at £0.8B, when the Glazers took over, now reputedly worth around £4.0B? Not bad!
 
Without going into the morality of any prospective owners I think we call agree on this:

Buying United for profit, like the Glazers did, is not viable considering how much the value of the club has soared - in my opinion it’s only viable to buy the club for someone who wants PR and/or prestige. There are not many around who are able + interested.
 
JPRouve said:
It's a little bit off topic but the EU added Saudi Arabia in their money laundering blacklist.
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Yeah, I saw that on the news the other night. Money laundering is just the beginning with these people (I use the term people loosely of course). They are heavily associated with militant groups such as ISIS and Al-Queda - among others no doubt - not to mention their involvement with the murder of Jamal Khasoggi which they appear to have escaped accountability for.

Do our fans even realise just who/what we would be getting in bed with should they take over our club?
 
Tarrou said:
Where is your line then? And what does the line mean to you? Does it mean you just don't spend money on that thing? Or is it something more than that?
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My line isn't perfectly straight but it's basically "don't be a certified scumbag, personally responsible for people death and or assassination and also don't be a rapist.", I reserve the right to add things to the list.
 
Tarrou said:
Where is your line then? And what does the line mean to you? Does it mean you just don't spend money on that thing? Or is it something more than that?
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It usually has to do with money because that's mostly how you show your "vote" as a consumer. You can also protest vocally against something you morally object.

My line in what? Manchester United ownership or product boycott? For Manchester United ownership the line is below slave owning, blood-oil having, women killing rich prats that are without empathy and above a person that got rich in a capitalistic environment where he presumably gained the system or other people in order to get that rich. I would be happy with Al Mubarak either. He's not much better than a Saudi Prince and he's also a big part of corruption in football which is worse if you only look at the footballing aspect.
 
I'm more worried about the opinion of posters with only a few hundreds/thousands posts, albeit have join date 3 years or older.
 
Rock and a hard place. The Glazers are parasites and I'd love to be rid of them..

Sadly, that's only likely to happen if the club becomes a vehicle to launder the public image of an oil rich despot.

Not sure which I dislike more.
 
Snow said:
Where do you draw the line? You don't mind someone that owns slaves, shits on women and allows them to be stoned to death for nothing and is rich because he's in a position to screw over a whole nation. Kim Jong-Un would be fine as well?
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I've seen a video of an american man do that, to an American woman. I've also seen many videos of American men urinate on American women. These are not easy to watch, though I believe some people enjoy these.
I've never seen a video of a Middle Eastern man take a dump on a woman (of any nationality). Do you have a video link of this?
 
sam147 said:
I would rather be a propaganda machine for a Saudi regime while dominating football than being a cash cow for a bunch of leeches while being insignificant. A few more years of incompetence from Woodward and dividends being shared out and the club will be years behind all our rivals. Right now we still have a chance. Its a no brainer. All Saudis will do is invest what we make back into the club which is how it should be.
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Agreed on all points.
 
sunama said:
I've seen a video of an american man do that, to an American woman. I've also seen many videos of american men urinate on American women. These are not easy to watch, though I believe some people enjoy these.
I've never seen a video of a Middle Eastern man take a dump on a woman (of any nationality). Do you have a video link of this?
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Very clever...
 
The business of buying and selling of PL football clubs is the wrong place to look for moral investors.
 
izec said:
Bet some of you spoke differently a few years ago about PSG and City owners/club. A few years without success and people start selling their souls to the devil. Desperation is kicking in. The Saudis are the worst of the lot.

I would rather win one title in 20 years and celebrate it accordingly instead of winning 10 in 20 under these cnuts. Liverpool did alright the last few years without a sugar daddy in terms of challenging for trophies, didnt think our fanbase would be that thirtsy.
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It's not a sugar daddy Utd need as we are already one of the worlds biggest clubs but we are slowly falling behind due to our owners just draining money out of the club and spending just what they think they need to get top 4 and keep the money rolling in.
 
Stepney73 said:
It's not a sugar daddy Utd need as we are already one of the worlds biggest clubs but we are slowly falling behind due to our owners just draining money out of the club and spending just what they think they need to get top 4 and keep the money rolling in.
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The issue is not spending, it is how we spend it. We are big spenders on the world stage, we are just wasting money. You dont need to buy players for 300m to be successful
 
Snow said:
I did. You said that you don't care who owns the club and that you would find it hard to stomach those owners and that means you would stomach the opponents i.e. little would change for you.
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I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say?

My post stated that I would struggle with the club being owned by such awful people despite it generally not mattering to me who owns a club, your response to that was essentially "How could you be happy for us to be owned by such awful people?". Doesn't really make sense.
 
Moriarty said:
We can turn our backs on the club but I suspect that would be only a symbolic protest and wouldn't last. Emotional investment in the club is a very poor second to the monetary kind and, such is the world of football these days, it's the latter which counts.
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I agree.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
I am not entirely sure what you are trying to say?

My post stated that I would struggle with the club being owned by such awful people despite it generally not mattering to me who owns a club, your response to that was essentially "How could you be happy for us to be owned by such awful people?". Doesn't really make sense.
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It is you that didn't read my response. I asked where do you draw the line.
"How could you be happy for us to be owned by such awful people?"
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I did not ask that.
 
izec said:
Bet some of you spoke differently a few years ago about PSG and City owners/club. A few years without success and people start selling their souls to the devil. Desperation is kicking in. The Saudis are the worst of the lot.

I would rather win one title in 20 years and celebrate it accordingly instead of winning 10 in 20 under these cnuts. Liverpool did alright the last few years without a sugar daddy in terms of challenging for trophies, didnt think our fanbase would be that thirtsy.
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The same way the tune about Jose changed when we got desperate. I would rather go another 10 years without winning a title than getting Saudi owners
 
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