Taking the caf and internet opinions way too seriously I see.
Any Positive Fans Out Here??
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"I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here! An no sidewindin, bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter!"
This is like saying I don't watch the news, because it's always bad news.
People like moaning. What fun is there in only talking about the positivies. We're humans, we think we know better and can do better and we love to tell people about it. Ofcourse people that only spout constant nonsensical criticism are annoying, but that's not what everyone does, is it?
People like moaning. What fun is there in only talking about the positivies. We're humans, we think we know better and can do better and we love to tell people about it. Ofcourse people that only spout constant nonsensical criticism are annoying, but that's not what everyone does, is it?
Yes Klopp is buying for his system, he has won nothing though, and his team still has the same problem. Buying for a flawed system is... flawed.
Lukaku wasn’t bought just to hoof the ball to either. He was bought to finish and has shown his link up play is quite good.
Its not the results that make me negative at times its the style of play and the manager continuing with the same 'groundhog day' strategies in a number of areas of the pitch when we are seeing little to no improvement. We have all discussed ad nasuem the Martial on the left, Shaw/Young, Pogba 3 man midfield, 4-2-3-1 issues etc but the manager seems too pigheaded to give something different a try. I'm sorry if that makes me a 'moaner' - maybe my expectations are too high in expecting to see a bit of entertaining and exciting football every now and again ..
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@hn4manunited You get back here, you old pious, candy ass sidewindea! There ain no way that nobody is goin to leave this town!!!
He hasn't won anything but they look so much better than they did before he arrived. The lack of trophies is of course on him like the two we won are on José. Liverpool are still progressing under Klopp whereas I think we're stalling under José. I don't want him as our manager but I hope I'm wrong and we end the season on a high. And I don't mean winning trophies as - with how the seasons going - a top 4 finish would be fine, with hopes of more progression next year.
Lukaku has shown promising link-up play and I've praised him for it which is why I find it baffling that José has us hoofing it up to him instead of playing it to his feet more often - or playing more through balls for us to capitalise on his pace.
The OP wants some optimism. It's safe to say that if you are optimist then surrounding yourself with pessimists will make you miserable.
Only weirdos go out of their way to make friends with people that they clash with. Generally speaking; you make friends with people you have things in common with. Different opinions are normal; but a completely different outlook on life is too far.
Maybe you are one of those people that seeks out arguments and debate but that's not normal.
Amen brother.I have enjoyed this forum over the years but I’m going to take a break from this forum. There’s nothing but doom and gloom on here when I actually have felt pretty great and positive about progress we’ve made under Jose. Fans on here have a pretty short memory.
Sometimes, the results and performances may have been frustrating but that’s football. If it’s not frustrating, it’s not really realistic is it? Being able to spend and spend and spend and win and win and win without ups and downs, what fun is that?
I remember majority of those years under SAF. There were ups and downs more than some of you remember! Some seasons more frustrating than others but it was always fun. We played some good football and we also played some atrocious football. We have gone at teams and we have taken the approach of going in for a draw or setting up to not allow the other team to play football. Pragmatists and winners will always find a way to achieve success by doing what’s necessary for the bigger picture or greater good. There is not only one way to win.
These forums/messageboards used to be a tight community of information sharing with reasonable discussions and enjoying each other being a part of supporting a great club like this. There were always some outliers but not like these days. It’s now all about nagging and whining and slagging off any bit of positivity out of our great community and club.
Anyway, all I want to do is leave this forum with my last post with a little bit of positivity. For those who can’t see or appreciate, there is something great happening here. It is already a great thing to be supporting this club. Enjoy every bit of it even if it may be little wins no matter how small in every aspect of this great club. Seeing those appreciable things may help you enjoy this club more. Nitpicking will never end
Best wishes and good luck to every one.
Totally with you on this.
I sometimes think that whoever will be our manager there will always be those complaints.
Can't stand them tbh. Most of them seem to forget that even under SAF there were times that we were fecking awful. But nostalgia seems to be the case with all those people.
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If he doesn’t achieve balance he will never win. So it counts for nothing. The way his team presses just exposes the defence. Dont see how he will ever win anything of note. I don’t really care what Liverpool are doing. Jose is trying to build a balance team that can defend and attack.
Sometimes its difficult to play it into Lukaku all the time when teams sit so deep. Also, we have to play to his strengths in the air as well in terms of crossing the ball.
It’s down to our players to win their games and keep the pressure on. Keeping the pace can cause mistakes from your rivals.
I find it deeply problematic/concerning if the teams attitude is to just give up because “oh well, they’re just gonna do better anyway”.
City will be so relaxed about winning the league at this point that it is probably helping them to play their style with zero pressure.
If you look to some of the games we’ve messed up on, we could maybe be 7/8/9 points behind. A gap that can easily (and has been) closed out before with 11 games.
There’s deep rooted problems at the club which we’re not fully aware of atm. This team ain’t even giving 70% week in week out, let alone 100%.
If you were here during the Moyes year and the LVG years, and are only despairing at the negativity now, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. Because if you were, and didn't say anything, or actively embraced a pessimistic attitude, you lose any sort of moral ground on this issue.
Well, he's had success with his system before at Dortmund. I think the only thing stopping them right now is a DM and GK from being a huge threat, and with Keita coming in they're set for more improvement. You talk about balance, but we allow more shots on goal than Liverpool do and they score more than us. The difference is we have de Gea and they have Mignolet. We actually allow more shots on goal than any of the other top 6 so it's a good thing we have the best GK in the world.
I agree that he is very good at scoring headers from crosses (ironically, i think he's our best crosser at the club, too, and doesn't get adequate service to capitalise on these strengths) but for whatever reason he isn't consistent at winning headers/ariel duels when we need him to hold the ball up. It's why I've wanted to see him on the right for the longest time where I think he plays very well, with an Alexis/Martial in the center who are better at holding the ball up.
Anyway, we're getting a tad off topic here...
Against the bigger teams we sit deeer and a large amount of shots against us happen then. The nature of Livepool’s system means they give up big chances. Once you bypass the press their defence is exposed and it’s easier to score. You dont need 5 chances against Liverpool, you just take the 1 or 2 big chances they give up. A player being 1 on 1 is more dangerous than someone shooting from 30 yards. Them giving up less shots doesn’t mean anything, they give up big chances and that’s what matters.
I agree with most of this however, everyone has a right to whinge....... about absolutely anything. Wives whinge about husbands but they still love them. We whinge about conditions in our countries, govenrments etc. Its not a virtue to just be silent and not express your true feelings. Censorship is overrated.
The amount of wonder saves de Gea has made this season is partly due to the big chances we concede. Even when we sit deep, we're pretty easy to play through. I'd say we give as many big chances away as Liverpool. The Arsenal game alone we should have conceded about 8 goals, and would have had we had any other keeper.
"Millennials aye!"
You say this like other keepers dont make saves? We sat deep against City as well and what clear chances did they actually create?
Any positive fans out there? Hell YEAH!!!
I am completely positive and appreciate the fact that we now have the personnel in place to challenge for trophies once again (after the Moyes/LVG era).
Jose should've been the guy to take over from Fergie, but we have him in place now, so I truly believe that we will climb back to the top.
The problem is that other teams have surpassed us, so Jose is having to play catch-up and this is taking time.
Let's summarise where we are currently at.
We won 2 trophies last season.
We are in 2nd place in the league this season (highest position since SAF left).
We are still in the CL and FA Cup.
Under the new regime there is continuous progression; we are heading in the right direction and things are looking bright.
The negative nellies on this forum are basically spoilt brats who want to win everything immediately and when that doesn't materialise, they throw their toys of the pram (ie. they want to sack the manager and sell the players). They don't understand the concept of progression/improvement and that MCFC (who are the only team ahead of us in the league), have had an unprecedented run of wins/draws this season which has never happened before and is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon. They also fail to understand that if you hit the reset button, we start from scratch and it puts us even further behind.
I am completely positive and appreciate the fact that we now have the personnel in place to challenge for trophies once again (after the Moyes/LVG era).
Jose should've been the guy to take over from Fergie, but we have him in place now, so I truly believe that we will climb back to the top.
The problem is that other teams have surpassed us, so Jose is having to play catch-up and this is taking time.
Let's summarise where we are currently at.
We won 2 trophies last season.
We are in 2nd place in the league this season (highest position since SAF left).
We are still in the CL and FA Cup.
Under the new regime there is continuous progression; we are heading in the right direction and things are looking bright.
The negative nellies on this forum are basically spoilt brats who want to win everything immediately and when that doesn't materialise, they throw their toys of the pram (ie. they want to sack the manager and sell the players). They don't understand the concept of progression/improvement and that MCFC (who are the only team ahead of us in the league), have had an unprecedented run of wins/draws this season which has never happened before and is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon. They also fail to understand that if you hit the reset button, we start from scratch and it puts us even further behind.
Not the amazing ones Dave makes on a consistent basis.
The away game last year? Well, I'm not saying we concede chances every game. We've had one outstanding defensive display under José in the 2-0 win against Chelsea where they didn't even have a shot. More often than not, though, we're pretty easy to play through and Dave saves us with a standard worldie - something Liverpool don't have the luxury of when they concede chances.
Yes, other keepers do make top saves as well. Just because they are not as good as De Gea does not mean they let everything in.
I was talking about the game at Old Trafford. Apart from the last 10 mins where we completely opened up trying to chase the game they did not really create any clear chances.
We're going to win the champions league man!
All keepers make top saves, but I don't think any do them as consistently as Dave. Not for the top teams, anyway. According to the stats we concede more key chances than all of the top 6 bar Arsenal, and from watching us I'm not surprised. It doesn't really reflect on our goals conceded stats because we have the best GK in the world who keeps most of these chances out.
I don't remember that derby very well but they scored two goals so they didn't do too bad breaking us down. The only thing I recall is that when we actually attacked them instead of sitting back we had them on the ropes.
I like to think I’m positive, but I don’t post as much as I used to, mainly due to the increasing negativity.
I think overall we are moving in the right direction, I think people have forgotten we had Moyes and LVG previous to this and life was really bad then.
We have a good squad which requires some additions in midfield especially. Then we have the 4-3-3 and Pogba situation. I think Pogba is getting a bit of a free ride and I also think Mourinho needs to go 4-3-3 in those bigger or away games more often. I think the losses to Tottenham and Newcastle magnifies these issues, because had we won both, there wouldn’t have been as large an outcry.
I think overall we are moving in the right direction, I think people have forgotten we had Moyes and LVG previous to this and life was really bad then.
We have a good squad which requires some additions in midfield especially. Then we have the 4-3-3 and Pogba situation. I think Pogba is getting a bit of a free ride and I also think Mourinho needs to go 4-3-3 in those bigger or away games more often. I think the losses to Tottenham and Newcastle magnifies these issues, because had we won both, there wouldn’t have been as large an outcry.
It was two Lukaku mistakes from set pieces they scored from so they didn’t really break us down. This has gone way off topic anyway, I’ll leave it there.
You've got to be positive, a team is for life, not just the odd treble and double. I've supported United since '66, and after the sad seventies and early eighties this is nothing, believe me!
Maybe a bit more flair in the football and more commitment and I think we will be challenging again.
As for the caff, maybe a bit less Pep love and infiltration by rival fans, it is still a place of shelter and solace.
We have another big fat bloated bird to knock off its gilded perch.
Maybe a bit more flair in the football and more commitment and I think we will be challenging again.
As for the caff, maybe a bit less Pep love and infiltration by rival fans, it is still a place of shelter and solace.
We have another big fat bloated bird to knock off its gilded perch.
We still have a chance to win in 2 competitions, the FA cup and the CL. We have the players and the manager to go all the way. Why not?
It's hard to be positive right now, we've lost two on the trot in a very poor fashion. Nobody likes to lose, but it's about more than just the results. Even when we're winning we like terrible. Watching Manchester United at times is like watching the England national team - boring! There are 18 teams below us, it most definitely could be worse and for most season post Fergie it has been worse, but each and every shite season could have been less painful if we at least got an entertaining match out of it.
In a few games time we'll all be cheerier (if we win a few), but right now people are in the dumps and understandably so.
In a few games time we'll all be cheerier (if we win a few), but right now people are in the dumps and understandably so.
Some are taking football too serious, like it's the monometer of their life. Your favorite team lose so you go on a full meltdown for days. Life isn't all that. Relax a little bit.
Some of our fans need to take a break from football for a while.
Some of our fans need to take a break from football for a while.
I'm very positive about the fact that we'll probably limp into the top four playing defensive football. YAY!
Where were you all when we signed Alexis ? This place was a muppet paradise.
3 trophies in last two years isn't that all doom & gloom but I can see clearly that title race pretty much ending in late December was the main culprit why people got emotionally disappointed.
3 trophies in last two years isn't that all doom & gloom but I can see clearly that title race pretty much ending in late December was the main culprit why people got emotionally disappointed.
Or maybe people are able to compartmentalise enough that they can be unhappy about their football team losing while getting on with the rest of their life in a perfectly happy fashion.
I don't call what happens here after a loss just being "unhappy".
What would you call it? I'd say that it's perfectly normal for fans of a football team to be angry when their team loses.
It seems stranger to have this RAWK style level of delusion where everything defeat is seen as progress, we're just a couple of signings away, next year is our year etc etc
I called it by its name. A massive meltdown that's it.
No one said we should be RAWK-esque and say the team is the best and there're no problems, but at the same time going to the other extreme, on a massive meltdown after each bad result, saying we're crap and drooling over how our rivals play, it's equally wrong and embarrassing from our fans to be honest.
Isn't there a middle ground ? Something like "We're not bad but there're problems that should be criticized" ? It's either going onto a massive meltdown or a full delusion ? Both extremes are way too wrong.
We are all here because we love united. So when they lose this is where people can vent their frustrations.
Tbf we aren’t exactly playing exciting football either which doesn’t help.
Tbf we aren’t exactly playing exciting football either which doesn’t help.
im very positive.I have enjoyed this forum over the years but I’m going to take a break from this forum. There’s nothing but doom and gloom on here when I actually have felt pretty great and positive about progress we’ve made under Jose. Fans on here have a pretty short memory.
Sometimes, the results and performances may have been frustrating but that’s football. If it’s not frustrating, it’s not really realistic is it? Being able to spend and spend and spend and win and win and win without ups and downs, what fun is that?
I remember majority of those years under SAF. There were ups and downs more than some of you remember! Some seasons more frustrating than others but it was always fun. We played some good football and we also played some atrocious football. We have gone at teams and we have taken the approach of going in for a draw or setting up to not allow the other team to play football. Pragmatists and winners will always find a way to achieve success by doing what’s necessary for the bigger picture or greater good. There is not only one way to win.
These forums/messageboards used to be a tight community of information sharing with reasonable discussions and enjoying each other being a part of supporting a great club like this. There were always some outliers but not like these days. It’s now all about nagging and whining and slagging off any bit of positivity out of our great community and club.
Anyway, all I want to do is leave this forum with my last post with a little bit of positivity. For those who can’t see or appreciate, there is something great happening here. It is already a great thing to be supporting this club. Enjoy every bit of it even if it may be little wins no matter how small in every aspect of this great club. Seeing those appreciable things may help you enjoy this club more. Nitpicking will never end
Best wishes and good luck to every one.
I am quite positive that Mourinho will continue playing Pogba in a DM role or in midfield 3 with Lingard and Matic. I am also quite positive that very few on here just like Mourinho rate Herrera and the importance of his pressing.
This is hard for me to say but I don't think Mourinho really knows how to use the players we have; which means we are still some ways from clicking and challenging for the title.
I apologize I went against the thread title but I just had to get that out.
Ok carry on!
This is hard for me to say but I don't think Mourinho really knows how to use the players we have; which means we are still some ways from clicking and challenging for the title.
I apologize I went against the thread title but I just had to get that out.
Ok carry on!
Pretty much it. We had moaners during Fergie's era as well. People have a right to let out their feelings. The annoying ones to me are the ones who make personal attacks on other fans, hoping we lose, not acknowledging the good when it happens, and those who believe slagging the past managers makes the current manager's performance acceptable. There have been highs and lows with each manager after Fergie.