Any Positive Fans Out Here??

I'm not negative normally. I can see logic and understand that results won't always go our way. But it's the way we have dropped points recently that frustrates me. Almost as if the entire team has stopped trying. Fight! That's all we as fans ask for. In the past if a team scored against us, you just knew that we were gonna go balls to the walls for the kill. An early goal for our opponents against us pretty much guaranteed the most offensive football by us. It was almost as if each and everyone of those players took it personally.
Now you score against us and if you wait long enough you might just score again. It's frustrating but I do believe that we are better than we were a year ago. I can only hope for progress for now
 
Denis' cuff said:
Too many outraged customers. Most, not even customers because they aren’t even paying customers.

Not enough supporters.

Supporters who not only pay their way but support with morale.

In fact, the majority of “reds” on here and elsewhere haven’t a clue about support. They have no intention or notion of supporting the club but object to us falling from an unsustainable high, thanks to us being lucky, not only to have had the greatest ever manager but actually have him for a quarter of a century. “We’re Manchester United” they cry from Hong Kong to Barnstaple to Belfast as though it is a given right. We didn’t just become that club without earning it. We are only the Manchester United that they have in their heads because of the work of SAF and those before him, as well as supporters who supported the club through the lean times to enable SAFs recruitment. I think “entitlement” is the albeit, over used, term that fits perfectly. Time for followers to actually support and not whinge because the world class manager that we are lucky to have, is not playing their pin up boy in his or their preferred role or as they would have him playing in their make believe toy-world. Try supporting. It is actually really quite uplifting, even if we become truly average, just like the majority of teams are. You are not superior by attachment to MUFC but merely a bandwagon jumper that we knew we’d become plagued with from the mid 90s. Not everyone can be a STH but at least give the club and incumbent manager your support. That, more than anything has made United different and the club they are today. If we don’t have real support, we’ll be Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and possibly worse. They used to be giants too, or at least top dogs over a period of time. Time for “reds” to become supporters.
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Post of the year so far, for me. Well written and argued, and absolutely nails it. But @Denis' cuff you kind of got me curious (and my attention span aint great). What Redcafe forums do you contribute to these days? Are you, for example ever seen in the grimy district of the match day thread? Do you track the muppet planes? Go in the entertainment forum?
 
Whenever there is a bad game/result, all I have to do is think of the Moyes/Van Gaal tenures and I know it is so much better than it was.
At least we have shots now! Even if they aren’t always goals...
In this time of Man City and their bottomless pit of transfers, I see no problem with where we are right now.
3-4 good buys in the summer, midfield, right wing, defence and we will even be able to challenge City.
As long as Pogba plays for the team and not himself that is - at the moment, I see that as my biggest bugbear.
 
I'm fairly positive but also justifiably concerned with our approach. I'm hopeful that will be addressed though. Squad has moved in the right direction after losing any sense of it.

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* Pogba hates Sanchez
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Where's this?
 
VeevaVee said:
I'm fairly positive but also justifiably concerned with our approach. I'm hopeful that will be addressed though. Squad has moved in the right direction after losing any sense of it.



Where's this?
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It's only Metro...but still it is out there.:D
 
As for the OP, this place just seems overly negative. Prior to joining, I would go onto Dailymail and read comments there for our games but that place was toxic af. I heard about this place in hope to hear more positive news about the team I love. Fast forward 3 and a bit years and I swear it feels like I'm back on DM reading ABU shit. The love in for City was unbearable but now we've got to suffer this shit for Tottenham as well. I wonder if the guys over at RAWK or Bluemoon love us as much as we do them.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Too many outraged customers. Most, not even customers because they aren’t even paying customers.

Not enough supporters.

Supporters who not only pay their way but support with morale.

In fact, the majority of “reds” on here and elsewhere haven’t a clue about support. They have no intention or notion of supporting the club but object to us falling from an unsustainable high, thanks to us being lucky, not only to have had the greatest ever manager but actually have him for a quarter of a century. “We’re Manchester United” they cry from Hong Kong to Barnstaple to Belfast as though it is a given right. We didn’t just become that club without earning it. We are only the Manchester United that they have in their heads because of the work of SAF and those before him, as well as supporters who supported the club through the lean times to enable SAFs recruitment. I think “entitlement” is the albeit, over used, term that fits perfectly. Time for followers to actually support and not whinge because the world class manager that we are lucky to have, is not playing their pin up boy in his or their preferred role or as they would have him playing in their make believe toy-world. Try supporting. It is actually really quite uplifting, even if we become truly average, just like the majority of teams are. You are not superior by attachment to MUFC but merely a bandwagon jumper that we knew we’d become plagued with from the mid 90s. Not everyone can be a STH but at least give the club and incumbent manager your support. That, more than anything has made United different and the club they are today. If we don’t have real support, we’ll be Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and possibly worse. They used to be giants too, or at least top dogs over a period of time. Time for “reds” to become supporters.
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Great post.
 
People on here lack perspective. The teams that are below us do not play great football every week. There were ups and downs under Fergie as well. He did not win the league every year. Jose inherited a joke of a squad. We are re building but people want everything now. Next season will be even better.
 
kouroux said:
Attention seeking much ? All the various posts criticizing the forum and its state are funny to me. If you don't like it the caf then stop visiting it and mostimportantly don't waste your time telling it that you're leaving because of it as I doubt most truly care.
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He's got a point, it's moancafe.net after a bad result. Countless terrible reactionary threads, it wasn't this bad even a year ago. Seems the nonsense is way out of control and is embarrassing as rawk. The quality of discussion is down, you can't deny it.
 
Oh dear, the OP just wants a bit of attention, everyone who questions Jose is a hater, 4-3-3 is a magic wand, 4-2-3-1 doesn’t work but nobody knows why, they just pretend they know by saying Pogba needs an extra midfielder, Matic is done, Martial should be sold, Sanchez is being shoe horned in.....have i missed anything?

Never mind Rawkish behaviour, this place is turning into RED ISSUE.
 
The forum actually works both ways, when we win it's overly positive and when we lose its a meltdown. It's just been worse of late because we lost 2 games back to back.
 
I don't personally understand the attitude, this is a forum for debate and discussion isn't it? People discuss negatives because there are negatives to be discussed, i agree that maybe too many threads pop up when there only needs to be a few but if a forum isnt the place to debate and discuss these topics where is? People aren't bringing up issues out of thin air, supporters aren't happy with what they are seeing. Also this attitude of superiority because people refuse to criticise Mourinho is just pathetic and untrue to boot.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
He's got a point, it's moancafe.net after a bad result. Countless terrible reactionary threads, it wasn't this bad even a year ago. Seems the nonsense is way out of control and is embarrassing as rawk. The quality of discussion is down, you can't deny it.
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It's been like this for as long as I've been a member. Even during the good years under SAF it was still like this. He's got no point at all, forum member moan after bad result, deal with it or don't come to the site. It ain't rocket science.
 
kouroux said:
Attention seeking much ? All the various posts criticizing the forum and its state are funny to me. If you don't like it the caf then stop visiting it and mostimportantly don't waste your time telling it that you're leaving because of it as I doubt most truly care.
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Same can be said for the moaners. If not more so.

Go support someone else. Stop moaning and enjoy life without the constant negativity.

I think some here would improve their mental health by ditching United and the Caf.
 
TheReligion said:
Same can be said for the moaners. If not more so.

Go support someone else. Stop moaning and enjoy live without the constant negativity.

I think some here would improve their mental health by ditching United and the Caf.
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"Moaners" have seldom this holier-than-thou need to tell others how to support the club, what they should or shouldn't talk about. Let people say what they want to say, as long as they are civil.
 
haram said:
People on here lack perspective. The teams that are below us do not play great football every week. There were ups and downs under Fergie as well. He did not win the league every year. Jose inherited a joke of a squad. We are re building but people want everything now. Next season will be even better.
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Why do you have to be so patronising? No one said they play "great" football but most of the teams competing with us for CL places have an identified style and it's evident. Most of which lack the resources we do - money, training facilities, working with some historic managers and their coaches, etc. We don't want everything now and I have no idea where this has come from other than to make excuses for José. We're not demanding trophies - we just expect that after around 2 years and countless of millions spent for us to have improved our style of football, which we haven't done and don't look like doing anytime soon.
 
kouroux said:
"Moaners" have seldom this holier-than-thou need to tell others how to support the club, what they should or shouldn't talk about. Let people say what they want to say, as long as they are civil.
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It there any point in non constructive repeat moaning though. What does it achieve?
 
Yagami said:
Why do you have to be so patronising? No one said they play "great" football but most of the teams competing with us for CL places have an identified style and it's evident. Most of which lack the resources we do - money, training facilities, working with some historic managers and their coaches, etc. We don't want everything now and I have no idea where this has come from other than to make excuses for José. We're not demanding trophies - we just expect that after around 2 years and countless of millions spent for us to have improved our style of football, which we haven't done and don't look like doing anytime soon.
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Like I said we are re building. You can say what you want about Liverpool’s and Spurs’ style, they still have balance issues and their managers have been at the teams longer than Jose. They also have good players, in fact you can argue Spurs’ first eleven is stronger than ours. Despite this we have only scored 1 less than Spurs in the league. Conceded 5 less. This is what I mean about perspective. I never said things were perfect under Jose.
 
I agree, it's so negative on here. All we have at the moment is doom and gloom, "this is all a bit shit" bollocks.

I mean it is a bit shit I suppose, and things could be better, and I don't give us much hope in the CL at this rate, but still, this negativity is ridiculous.
 
kouroux said:
It's been like this for as long as I've been a member. Even during the good years under SAF it was still like this. He's got no point at all, forum member moan after bad result, deal with it or don't come to the site. It ain't rocket science.
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I've only been a member since 2014 but been visiting three years before that. In that time it hasn't been this bad, there were more constructive threads and less reactionary ones. Yeah definitely after a bad result one or two would pop up, now it's bombarded with crap after a loss. I do let the forum calm down a few days before I post. If it was quality thread's that would be ok. I'm expecting nonsense like 'if Pogba hadn't got his hair dyed, would we have won this game". Or "Does us getting Sanchez mean we will never win anything again". It's not even a moan fest, it's just nonsensical, that's my point.
 
haram said:
Like I said we are re building. You can say what you want about Liverpool’s and Spurs’ style, they still have balance issues and their managers have been at the teams longer than Jose. They also have good players, in fact you can argue Spurs’ first eleven is stronger than ours. Despite this we have only scored 1 less than Spurs in the league. Conceded 5 less. This is what I mean about perspective. I never said things were perfect under Jose.
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That's a fair opinion to have, and I agree that neither Liverpool and Spurs are perfect and that Spurs have a better first XI than us, but I just didn't agree with you saying those of us who do have complaints about José's management lack perspective. I do disagree with the point you're trying to make about our defence compared to Spurs, though. The difference is down to de Gea, imo. I don't think we're particularly well organised at the back.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
I've only been a member since 2014 but been visiting three years before that. In that time it hasn't been this bad, there were more constructive threads and less reactionary ones. Yeah definitely after a bad result one or two would pop up, now it's bombarded with crap after a loss. I do let the forum calm down a few days before I post. If it was quality thread's that would be ok. I'm expecting nonsense like 'if Pogba hadn't got his hair dyed, would we have won this game". Or "Does us getting Sanchez mean we will never win anything again". It's not even a moan fest, it's just nonsensical, that's my point.
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I don't agree at all. Things haven't changed, we haven't gotten older is all. There have always been great/knee jerks/ threads.
The caf isn't special in that way, it is jus like any normal forum.
 
I can understand the negativity as I am also not a Mourinho style fan since always. But I know that every team Mourinho managed becomes more competitive, even if ultimately they don't win a single title.

Look how different Madrid mentality is. There's clearly a before and after Mourinho.

But I can see a silver lining. Our mentality is much better, even though our record against top sides is not the best, we have the feeling that we can win the game in pre-match, when in previous seasons we were already accepting the defeat.
 
Yagami said:
That's a fair opinion to have, and I agree that neither Liverpool and Spurs are perfect and that Spurs have a better first XI than us, but I just didn't agree with you saying those of us who do have complaints about José's management lack perspective. I do disagree with the point you're trying to make about our defence compared to Spurs, though. The difference is down to de Gea, imo. I don't think we're particularly well organised at the back.
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Yes we can improve in all areas, but the team and Mourinho need time and we should be patient, because there have been good signs throughout the season and I can see progression.
 
Reafer said:
Not me, extremely negative poster here. white text

Whenever we lose a game, expect toxic threads and posts, so avoid the caf if you're not into it.
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The world need more moaning barstools! I mean what else is there if you can't post bile on the internet. Obviously anyone who has any interesting debate should avoid any forums after a loss. Or maybe just maybe the wise words of when you have nothing good to say, say nothing should be adhered to. As it's pretty tedious watching the same old blame game, with the same players taking the usual crap. Why bother if you've nothing positive to say?

As for this thread, loved my club for over 40 years, have far more appreciation of how good a team they are now, than when I started supporting them.
 
TheReligion said:
Having a constant negative attitude isn't healthy
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Just because people post negatively about Man Utd doesn't mean they're negative in real life.
haram said:
Yes we can improve in all areas, but the team and Mourinho need time and we should be patient, because there have been good signs throughout the season and I can see progression.
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I think we can all agree that there's been progression under José. The question is have we progressed enough considering the money we've spent over 2 years? In my opinion, we haven't, but those that feel we have are fair to have that opinion like we should be allowed to have ours.
 
There's plenty but a lot of us avoid the United forum, I think.
 
Yagami said:
Just because people post negatively about Man Utd doesn't mean they're negative in real life.

I think we can all agree that there's been progression under José. The question is have we progressed enough considering the money we've spent over 2 years? In my opinion, we haven't, but those that feel we have are fair to have that opinion like we should be allowed to have ours.
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I mean, then you have to consider the makeup of the squad before he arrived and where we were at as a team. It was 3 years of mess he had to clean up as well. Money spent on Lukaku was to replace the strikers that had come before in Ibra, Rooney and RVP. It’s not like Klopp has not spent money on players like Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Ox, Van Dijk etc.
 
I find it strange that people are so sensitive that even if they believe the team is doing really well they'd be so upset about other people on an internet forum not agreeing that they can't cope with reading negative comments.
 
There is an ignore function for a reason...you wouldnt be friends with someone that has an opposite outlook on life to you so why on the forum.
 
breakout67 said:
There is an ignore function for a reason...you wouldnt be friends with someone that has an opposite outlook on life to you so why on the forum.
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Not being friends with or interacting with people because they hold different views to you seems like an incredibly small-minded and blinkered attitude to life.
 
Denis' cuff said:
Too many outraged customers. Most, not even customers because they aren’t even paying customers.

Not enough supporters.

Supporters who not only pay their way but support with morale.

In fact, the majority of “reds” on here and elsewhere haven’t a clue about support. They have no intention or notion of supporting the club but object to us falling from an unsustainable high, thanks to us being lucky, not only to have had the greatest ever manager but actually have him for a quarter of a century. “We’re Manchester United” they cry from Hong Kong to Barnstaple to Belfast as though it is a given right. We didn’t just become that club without earning it. We are only the Manchester United that they have in their heads because of the work of SAF and those before him, as well as supporters who supported the club through the lean times to enable SAFs recruitment. I think “entitlement” is the albeit, over used, term that fits perfectly. Time for followers to actually support and not whinge because the world class manager that we are lucky to have, is not playing their pin up boy in his or their preferred role or as they would have him playing in their make believe toy-world. Try supporting. It is actually really quite uplifting, even if we become truly average, just like the majority of teams are. You are not superior by attachment to MUFC but merely a bandwagon jumper that we knew we’d become plagued with from the mid 90s. Not everyone can be a STH but at least give the club and incumbent manager your support. That, more than anything has made United different and the club they are today. If we don’t have real support, we’ll be Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton and possibly worse. They used to be giants too, or at least top dogs over a period of time. Time for “reds” to become supporters.
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I think this post is out of context. We'll support the team in the arena, at the pub in the stores or however we're able to, but this is a forum for discussion. What are we supposed to do, only allow threads about new songs and poems and shit?
Funny you mention Arsenals former greatness considering it's all falling apart for them because Wengers been immune to criticism for so long. Supporters over there are being negative too, protesting and making their vocies heard and and that's a form of support aswell.
 
haram said:
I mean, then you have to consider the makeup of the squad before he arrived and where we were at as a team. It was 3 years of mess he had to clean up as well. Money spent on Lukaku was to replace the strikers that had come before in Ibra, Rooney and RVP. It’s not like Klopp has not spent money on players like Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Ox, Van Dijk etc.
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I don't think we as a club did ourselves any favours in terms of going from one extreme to another in terms of management style. After LVG, we should have gone for another manager who favoured possession in my opinion, but we went the opposite route.

Klopp has spent a tonne of money, yes, but you can see why he bought the players he did. They fit his system, and he didn't just go for the big names (the fact Liverpool can't attract said names plays a part, too). That's why the majority of them are excelling under him. I don't see a plan with José's signings. Like with your example, we went for Lukaku who's main strengths are running in behind and having the ball at his feet only for José to use him as a target man to bring down hoofed balls which he evidently isn't good at. We need to stop spending money on big names and go for players who fit the description he wants regardless of how high their profile is in the game.
 
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