Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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mu4c_20le said:
PSV and Benfica must be top 5 in the world seeing as they both brushed them aside.
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They are obviously not the 6th best team in the world. This algorithm era of footy fan is getting out of hand now. There are, if we are being conservative, at least three better teams in the PL alone, let alone three in Spain, and at least one in Germany and France. That is even putting it conservatively, there’s also a strong argument for both Milan teams, the likes of Porto and Benfica would also beg to differ as would other teams in France. And frankly, at least another 3 teams in England.

Today football seems to be watched on spreadsheets by weirdos instead of televisions.
 
Are we seriously discussing this?
Its the Dutch league ffs
Yeah they have young talent but come on.
 
Not really impressed by the compilations I've seen of him. Also for a team that is has scored 98 and 102 goals respectively, his goal and assist stats are far from impressive.

For a player costing as much as he is, surely you'd expect more?

I've not watched him properly so not fully against it but I guess I'm not convinced. Hopefully not another Zyiech, while a few years older had a more polished resume.
 
Rozay said:
They are obviously not the 6th best team in the world. This algorithm era of footy fan is getting out of hand now. There are, if we are being conservative, at least three better teams in the PL alone, let alone three in Spain, and at least one in Germany and France. That is even putting it conservatively, there’s also a strong argument for both Milan teams, the likes of Porto and Benfica would also beg to differ as would other teams in France. And frankly, at least another 3 teams in England.

Today football seems to be watched on spreadsheets by weirdos instead of televisions.
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I actually expected them to be top ten before even checking. 6th were higher than I expected, but not far out in any way. I agree that there is three better teams in England btw (so do Clubelo).

People tend to dislike spreadsheets and math when it fail to support their conclusions or even disagree with them. In my opinion, this appear to be a classic case and it leaves me wondering where you watch football. Gut feeling is, it is neither TV, stadium or spredsheet.
 
Antony at United would be interesting to watch for me personally. Mostly because I often hear United fans always talk about wanting daring, technically gifted and inventive players, but when we do get these players fans turn on them quick or call them "frustrating" and some segments start claiming for technically poor kick and run bandits like Daniel James because they run around looking busy despite not doing much.

Nani comes to mind, and more recently Sancho too, although Sancho is yet to really tap into his bag at United. So it would be interesting to see Antony here, the moment one of his carrossel dribbles doesn't come off redcafe will demand blood
 
I don’t know why, but I struggle to get excited at all about this transfer. The fee mentioned just makes me think it’s going to be a really expensive flop if it happens
 
Nytram Shakes said:
I like Anthony but we have a lot of players who can play out wide, if Ronaldo does end up leaving we need to save every penny to look for a striker.
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We’ve got literally no one for right wing who’s actually performed there. Rashford, Sancho, Martial have all struggled when played there. The only one who’s ever performed there is Greenwood. So we certainly need a RW option. Currently we only have Elanga as our first choice option for right wing.
 
andersj said:
I actually expected them to be top ten before even checking. 6th were higher than I expected, but not far out in any way. I agree that there is three better teams in England btw (so do Clubelo).

People tend to dislike spreadsheets and math when it fail to support their conclusions or even disagree with them. In my opinion, this appear to be a classic case and it leaves me wondering where you watch football. Gut feeling is, it is neither TV, stadium or spredsheet.
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Spreadsheets and maths are using the wrong formula if it concludes that Ajax are a better team than any of Liverpool, City, Chelsea, PSG, Bayern, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Atletico Madrid - and then even after that, the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, United, Inter and AC, Roma, Porto and Benfica would be asking to see your working out in how you concluded Ajax were better than them.

I watch plenty of football, but I watch it on the box, not on the Opta website. If Ajax are the 6th best team in Europe then I imagine PSV and Feyenoord are right behind them then. Ajax would do well to beat West Ham and Leicester over the course of a PL season. In fact, most of Leicester’s team probably walks into the Ajax side.
 
Chief123 said:
We’ve got literally no one for right wing who’s actually performed there. Rashford, Sancho, Martial have all struggled when played there. The only one who’s ever performed there is Greenwood. So we certainly need a RW option. Currently we only have Elanga as our first choice option for right wing.
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Johnson might be available soon.
 
Thoms said:
So emberassing to read. Yeah, our league is significantly weaker due to financial reasons. And? We still have a way better TEAM than you guys had last year and would play you off the park. Last year was the most miserable bunch of footballers I’ve ever seen wearing a UTD shirt.

I wouldn’t want Shaw, Maguire, AWB, Rashford (in this form), Martial (who was utter shit in Spain), Jones, McTominay and Fred anywhere near our team.

And btw, calling our league an emberassement is laughable. Bloody spuds couldn’t beat Vitesse this year. For the little amount of money our league has were doing okayish.

And please send us DvB back, would be lovely to see him in a team that is able to stitch more than 4 passes together.
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Feel the debate is polarizing unnecessarily. I think Rozay’s point that individually, the players Ajax can afford - outside of their Ten Hag coached team - would mostly be mid table PL and some even lower. The evidence is ample. The point that Ten Hag’s Ajax was a way more cohesive unit is also undisputed. The claim that Ajax as a team has been clearly better than United lately, is a difficult one to prove. Ajax under Ten Hag has beaten Real Madrid, Juventus a few years ago, lost to Spurs, beaten Dortmund 4-0 and Sporting emphatically, lost to Benfica. Unite has under the same period beaten Paris SG twice, Leipzig 5-0, Spurs several times, Roma 5-2, Real Sociedad 4-0, won a CL group ahead of Villarreal and Atalanta, and lost to Atletico Madrid. Ajax have one CL Sf and one EL final the last five years, United have one EL win, one EL final, one EL Sf and one CL Qf in the same period. Undoubtedly Ajax have overachieved compared to Utd, but the end result looks very comparable.
sullydnl said:
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Antony top right.
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And Lisandro Martinez right behind (and Sancho).
mu4c_20le said:
PSV and Benfica must be top 5 in the world seeing as they both brushed them aside.
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How do you define ‘brush aside’?
 
Murtough just needs to sit tight and let another club agree a fee, then swoop in at the last minute
 
This is the most exciting target for me. I want excitement at Old Trafford and this guy brings it. If he continues his development under Ten Hag then I think he'll become a top player.

Not to mention RW is the only position in our team (well, maybe CF soon) that we don't have a natural player who can play there. That's bonkers to me and I can't believe how easily it's brushed under the carpet by some when we've known for years, literally, that is a big issue. We've got about 8 LWs though.
 
DevilRed said:
This one will be the real challenge of the summer.

Can don Murtough pull it off without overpaying? Will VDS help? To be continued..
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Did you just call Murtough Don???? This man has literally done nothing for you my friend he is no Don.
Rozay said:
Our Prime Minister.

Although Adam Johnson was a right winger too, tbh.
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I'd take Boris but I think he's only interested in taking a different type of shot


Here we are a get trying to count our pennies when we should have new players in our pre-season. This is the most pathetic rebuild I've ever seen, especially when you compare it to when we brought in Pogba, Miki, Ibra & Depay. The player stated clearly in his farewell video that ETH just need to make the call. ETH called, Antony answered, but Murtough and his buddies are trying to pinch pennies. What is the point of being rich if you don't make these easy moves like they're nothing? Antony isn't even world-class yet, this is a joke. Compare this with the Chelsea rebuild and you will see they are treating us like fools!
 
Kxng Ander said:
Did you just call Murtough Don???? This man has literally done nothing for you my friend he is no Don.

I'd take Boris but I think he's only interested in taking a different type of shot


Here we are a get trying to count our pennies when we should have new players in our pre-season. This is the most pathetic rebuild I've ever seen, especially when you compare it to when we brought in Pogba, Miki, Ibra & Depay. The player stated clearly in his farewell video that ETH just need to make the call. ETH called, Antony answered, but Murtough and his buddies are trying to pinch pennies. What is the point of being rich if you don't make these easy moves like they're nothing? Antony isn't even world-class yet, this is a joke. Compare this with the Chelsea rebuild and you will see they are treating us like fools!
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We should never be paying £70m for Antony, never ever. We can even try our luck with Saka at Arsenal for that amount.
 
Grande said:
How do you define ‘brush aside’?
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We all saw the cup final where PSV became the better team after conceding first. Benfica did them over two legs and they are like the third best team in Portugal, finished miles behind the champions.

I think they punched above their weight because of the coach, next season will be interesting.
 
TsuWave said:
Antony at United would be interesting to watch for me personally. Mostly because I often hear United fans always talk about wanting daring, technically gifted and inventive players, but when we do get these players fans turn on them quick or call them "frustrating" and some segments start claiming for technically poor kick and run bandits like Daniel James because they run around looking busy despite not doing much.

Nani comes to mind, and more recently Sancho too, although Sancho is yet to really tap into his bag at United. So it would be interesting to see Antony here, the moment one of his carrossel dribbles doesn't come off redcafe will demand blood
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Not sure what you’re getting at here. We want inventive, technically gifted players who aren’t frustrating, it’s not one or the other. Nani, outside of a couple of outstanding seasons, was definitely a frustrating footballer and there’s nothing wrong with pointing it out. And no one clamours for players like Dan James, that’s a flat out lie.
 
Becks00 said:
We should never be paying £70m for Antony, never ever. We can even try our luck with Saka at Arsenal for that amount.
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Bro, there is no way they are asking for £70M for Antony. They just let Haller go for €40M! I'd bet a punch in the face Murtough hasn't bid £55M. If you have the information that says otherwise I live in Jamaica and I can't handle your travel expenses.
 
Tavern in the town said:
Not sure what you’re getting at here. We want inventive, technically gifted players who aren’t frustrating, it’s not one or the other. Nani, outside of a couple of outstanding seasons, was definitely a frustrating footballer and there’s nothing wrong with pointing it out.
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Thus it will be interesting for me to see how people will react to Antony because he's capable of magic, but can be frustrating, especially to what I believe to be a fanbase that, generally speaking, doesn't really know what they want or at the very least doesn't watch football outside of the premier league.

Tavern in the town said:
And no one clamours for players like Dan James, that’s a flat out lie.
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have fun:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/daniel-james-2020-21-performances.457044/
 
saivet said:
Not really impressed by the compilations I've seen of him. Also for a team that is has scored 98 and 102 goals respectively, his goal and assist stats are far from impressive.

For a player costing as much as he is, surely you'd expect more?

I've not watched him properly so not fully against it but I guess I'm not convinced. Hopefully not another Zyiech, while a few years older had a more polished resume.
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Same, he is technical which i like but none of his physical attributes are impressive. He's just way too slow for my liking, I don't see him working out at all in the premier league. He also reminds me of Ziyech in the sense that his lack of speed prevents him from being a lethal winger like Ousmane Dembele and Vinicius Jr, both of whom are the types of players we need; not Antony or Ziyech. Unfortunately it seems like our scouting doesn't stretch beyond the boundaries of Amsterdam.
 
I was expecting him to be about £40-45m. They seem to value him a lot higher than that and personally i'm not convinced. If we urgently need a left footed forward and we werent able to bring in Gnabry, Dybala or Dembele i'd maybe see how much someone like Dwight McNeill would cost.
 
The noise around Antony had dropped markedly, hasn't it?

From the popular deduction that ETH took one look at Shaw and made up his mind to go all out for Malacia, should we also deduce that ETH took one look at Amad (his guns specifically) and suddenly cooled his interest in Antony? :nervous:
 
Kxng Ander said:
Bro, there is no way they are asking for £70M for Antony. They just let Haller go for €40M! I'd bet a punch in the face Murtough hasn't bid £55M. If you have the information that says otherwise I live in Jamaica and I can't handle your travel expenses.
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Well, all say it is €31 mil + add on for Haller. Considering the other transfer businesses already done in EPL, even £40 is a bit crazy I think.
 
Ali Dia said:
Antony is most likely coming to take Rashfords place and I for one am really happy about that
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Anthony plays primarily on the right. Rashford doesn’t. Whenever Rashford does play there he’s awful. He’s not coming to take rashfords place. You might be sad about that.
 
Kaos said:
They’ve already signed his replacement.
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Kxng Ander said:
Did you just call Murtough Don???? This man has literally done nothing for you my friend he is no Don.

I'd take Boris but I think he's only interested in taking a different type of shot


Here we are a get trying to count our pennies when we should have new players in our pre-season. This is the most pathetic rebuild I've ever seen, especially when you compare it to when we brought in Pogba, Miki, Ibra & Depay. The player stated clearly in his farewell video that ETH just need to make the call. ETH called, Antony answered, but Murtough and his buddies are trying to pinch pennies. What is the point of being rich if you don't make these easy moves like they're nothing? Antony isn't even world-class yet, this is a joke. Compare this with the Chelsea rebuild and you will see they are treating us like fools!
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Do you think about what you write before posting it?

You want a window that consists of the likes of Pogba, Miki, Ibra and Depay? How did that all work out? What I think ETH and Murtough are trying to do is buy players that fit the playing style of the manager and now base it on star names.

Secondly, you say Antony isn't even world-class and yet you want us to pay 70-80 million quid and in the same breath, you say Mutough is penny-pinching?

Then to compare with Chelsea's rebuild? There are a couple of them who they are thinking of selling off already. Besides how many owners can over the losses to the tune of 1 million quid per week like a Roman Abramovich can? These new owners definitely won't. Old Chelsea and City just arent models we can use as benchmarks for transfer activities.
 
Glorio said:
The noise around Antony had dropped markedly, hasn't it?

From the popular deduction that ETH took one look at Shaw and made up his mind to go all out for Malacia, should we also deduce that ETH took one look at Amad (his guns specifically) and suddenly cooled his interest in Antony? :nervous:
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And Facundo.

Ronaldo leaving I am sure has shifted his priorities.
 
Chief123 said:
Anthony plays primarily on the right. Rashford doesn’t. Whenever Rashford does play there he’s awful. He’s not coming to take rashfords place. You might be sad about that.
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I think the poster meant in the starting 11. As it stands our starting lineup will see Rashford and Sancho flanking Ronaldo. If Antony comes in then it would be Sancho Ronaldo Antony.
I think Rashford will be good again, we need to be, to be able to drop a winger forward without reducing the teams quality. Both Liverpool and Man city have this.
I was really hoping we could do Antony and Timber for under £100m, I suspect this isn't going to happen. Especially if Martinez is leaving.d
 
I wonder if ETH is interested in players who aren't Dutch or hasn't play in the Dutch league
 
Thoms said:
Nothing to do with the previous post. Gravenbergh, Mazroui, Antony, Timber, Martinez would improve your team immidiately. We were a way better team last year than you were and it’s laughable to deny it.
We would have easily finished in the top 6 last year in the PL.

Besides that, Donny is one of the few players in your team that actually is technical and knows how to play one-touch football. Let’s see how he performs this year.
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Well said.

Rozay said:
That’s BS, born out of seeing these players solely in a good light because they are so much better than the can drivers they face weekly in Holland. Mazraoui and Antony are the ones who could really improve us. We have better centre halves than the two you have. And I doubt Gravenberch would have started for us either. A player who all the Ajax fans on here tell us every week is so inconsistent and about your 5th best player.

‘Ajax would easily finish in the top 6 in England?’ Do me a favour. If they played West Ham tomorrow I doubt they would be favourites. You overrate your players because they dominate a league in which the other teams put together will struggle to find 3 players who could play for us. You beat some no marks 10-0 in your league ffs. Timber is a talent, but he’s not better than Varane. And Maguire had a terrible season, but he’s shown a better level too.
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Better centre halves :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll give you Varane because of his CV, but tbh when he wasnt partnerer by his buddy Ramos in Madrid he never was half as good. Maguire is a shitshow and no Ajax fan would even pay £10m for him. He won't get in Ajax' team even if we sold Timber and Martinez. He should be playing for Coventry City. Lindelof isn't much better. Bailly has talent but is always injured. No you don't have better centre halves at all. Only Varane is hard to argue considering his CV (but dont be all that surprised if he looks average next to Martinez next year). Your other CBs are worse than Ajax's. Just because they play in PL and are incredibly overpaid doesn't mean they are better.

You are really delusional if you think Ten Hag wants to spend £90m on 2 players from Ajax if he isn't convinced they'll be starters. If Martinez and Antony will be United players they will be starting players the majority of the matches. I wouldn't be surprised to see Donny back in the team either now that there's a coach that understands him.
 
Daslogisch said:
Like you've seen any Ajax matches? You probably have seen zero. You're solely basing your opinion off stats.

Tadic was Ajax' most consistent player (with Martinez), but Antony was/is Ajax' best player. Ajax struggled a lot when he was injured.

You can't compare Diallo to Antony. No one knows Diallo. Antony is a Brazilian NT player, who has also made a name for himself in CL. The whole world wants to sign Antony, which is exactly why he'll cost much more than Diallo.
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Well I don’t think you have watched many Ajax games last season either. And let’s just say Tadic is better player than Antony last season in almost every objective metric, except maybe dribbling.

Goals: Tadic 13 Antony 8
Assist: Tadic 19 Antony 4
Avg rating: Tadic 7.8 Antony 7.47
Motm: Tadic 7 Antony 3
Dribbling: Tadic 1.1 Antony 1.8
Key pass: Tadic 4.1 Antony 1.6
Cross: Tadic 2.8 Antony 1.1

And what makes you think the whole world wants to sign Antony, when we are the only club reportedly interested.
 
TsuWave said:
Antony at United would be interesting to watch for me personally. Mostly because I often hear United fans always talk about wanting daring, technically gifted and inventive players, but when we do get these players fans turn on them quick or call them "frustrating" and some segments start claiming for technically poor kick and run bandits like Daniel James because they run around looking busy despite not doing much.

Nani comes to mind, and more recently Sancho too, although Sancho is yet to really tap into his bag at United. So it would be interesting to see Antony here, the moment one of his carrossel dribbles doesn't come off redcafe will demand blood
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I have also observed and enjoyed this weird cognitive dissonance here. I also find it funny how Nani is now massively overrated on here despite 90% of matchday threads shitting on him relentlessly at the time :lol:
 
sglowrider said:
With so much to do and a limited budget, you take the conservative choices and get players you know.
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Yep
I reckon he's thinking he has enough work to do to make Maguire and McTominay and the like pass and move like he wants. Get in a few who already drank the Coolaid and it'll be a lot smoother. Then in a year or two if some of his people aren't cutting it he can make some changes but the squad will have been primed by then.
 
Chief123 said:
We’ve got literally no one for right wing who’s actually performed there. Rashford, Sancho, Martial have all struggled when played there. The only one who’s ever performed there is Greenwood. So we certainly need a RW option. Currently we only have Elanga as our first choice option for right wing.
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I'm sure a big part of the problem has to be the lack of decent RB support. G.Neville and Beckham were text book examples of how you free up space to make both players better.

I'm not usually a fan of playing players out of position, but I do think Bruno has the attributes to be a very good winger. Lots of energy and crossing ability. Would basically be what Mata was on the wing except with an actual engine.
 
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