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Strootman's Finger said:
We only finished 6th because Brighton did us a favor in the dying minutes of the season. Too many variables, swap our playing staff with Ajax's and I don't think they finish 6th, replace United with Ajax in the league last season and it might be different. They are a well run club, a well coached team, they play good football, they score a ton, don't concede much. They beat Dortmund and Sporting Lisbon twice, those teams are probably better than your average mid table english team.
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We finished 6th because we did better than the team that finished 7th over the season. Of which them losing a game to Brighton was part of that. Otherwise perhaps Brighton were doing West Ham a favour by beating us a couple of weeks earlier?

They beat Dortmund and Sporting and then got eliminated against Benfica. United also won their CL group.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
I don't remember the specifics, but I watched the game, and all I remember is thinking is, I guess that, rather amazing, performance against Leeds was a fluke. Even if he played good in that game, what about the next 45?
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Clearly. You probably shouldn’t make such statements then. You remember as far back as the Leeds game but can’t remember the very next one.

These are the specifics, for the record:

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/paul-pogba-2021-22-performances.464100/post-27657571
 
groovyalbert said:
I don't think we've got anyone who naturally holds down the RW like he does. They all prefer cutting in from the left.

If Ronaldo goes, given the dire ST market, I'd rather play with Bruno in the false 9/Rashford through the middle and go all-in for Antony than waste a load of cash on a second rate out-and-out ST.
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Maybe not, Personlly I would save the cash if we couldn’t find a striker and put it towards one when we do.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
:lol: :lol:

Ah, having to go back to August to assert a player has put in back-to-back good performances. Nice one.
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I don’t have to do anything. A man says ‘he hasn’t had one good game since Leeds’, so I literally went to the very next game. Basically, I didn’t need to go 15 games to disprove it, it literally took just the one.

Just stay out of the conversation of you’re going to come and talk shit sir.
 
This one will be the real challenge of the summer.

Can don Murtough pull it off without overpaying? Will VDS help? To be continued..
 
Crap source, if we're buying Martinez I don't believe we'll risk our special relationship with Ajax by taking another one of their players.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
I didn't say any of them were better players, just in better form last year than their United counterparts, although, frankly some are better. Shaw is shite, I have thought that from the moment we bought him, I gave him time to prove me wrong, but he really hasn't, including this season. Pogba is a fraud, I would take Gravenberch every day of the week ahead of him. If United changed nothing but got rid of pogba this summer, every other element of our team was the exact same, I would say we are stronger now, he's a cancer on the team and we are stronger without him. Point to a good pogba performance after the opening game vs Leeds. Varane, top quality, injury prone. Varane fit, starts every day of the week, but Martinez or Timber are better than any other CB we have (or we wouldn't be trying to buy them), so with Varane missng a number of games, both would have got a lot at United last year. Tadic/Bruno is maybe the biggest debate, but Tadic has performed consistently for 4 years at Ajax, they talk about him like he is one of their best ever players, and most likely would have suited Rangnick's style far more than Bruno last season. We have no counterpart for Alvarez, so he probably would have started 40 games by default. We played Elanga, when he wasn't even really that good, but you don't think Antony would have gotten into the team? Haller nowhere near better than Ronaldo, ridiculous, Ronaldo is the greatest ever player, but what did we do when Ronaldo didn't start? And I don't mean lose, I mean, who played in his place and how did they perform?
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I don't think you watch Ajax that well, Gravenberch is just as frustrating as Pogba and highly inconsistent as confirmed by various Ajax fan on here. Tagliafico if he were to be signed as initially rumoured would have come in as a back up to Shaw. None of Martinez/Timber would come in as first choice to Man utd, confirmed by Timber himself having that concern.

Antony like I said is not any better than Rashford/Sancho, if Rashford finds form and Sancho were to be shifted to the right, I think Antony would be on the bench. Well Martial who did not get a look in at United last season even as a back up as performed better than anything Haller has done in the PL and going by Haller's upswing in form after being coached by ETH, it definitely bodes well for Martial ( you at least conceed he is not making the first team). Tadic wouldn't be compared to Bruno given their roles in each team last season. Sancho would be a more valid comparison and almost everybody would take Sancho ahead of Tadic in any team including Ajax. Klassen is a better comparison to Bruno and you clearly can not claim he is better than Bruno.
 
Quagmire Maguire said:
Massive upgrade on Rashford would walk straight into the United team and make that RW his own.

Yes he is rough around the edges but has pace to burn, tricky as he can go past you both on the outside or inside, also only 22 so plenty of potential.

Ten Hag has seen enough in training to think this is a worthwhile signing, so I am all for it.
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Pace to burn? Are we watching the same player? His acceleration looks to be on the slower side. Just watch his games, he can't beat a fullback with pure acceleration to save his life.
 
If Ronnys off, this guy has to come in so I hope this happens if reports are correct UTD have put a offer in. Make this one happen.
 
Blood Mage said:
Crap source, if we're buying Martinez I don't believe we'll risk our special relationship with Ajax by taking another one of their players.
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How does it help Ajax if we buy Antony and let Arsenal buy Martinez instead then? Think all that talk is nonsense. We can’t ‘take’ any of Ajax’ players, they have to agree to sell them to us, and if they do, then it’s fair game.
 
Blood Mage said:
Crap source, if we're buying Martinez I don't believe we'll risk our special relationship with Ajax by taking another one of their players.
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Bayern just got 2 starters from them with little fuss.

If we pay up close to what they want they'll sell, especially with the player actively pushing for it. They're already reinvesting money in their squad as it is so they're seemingly preparing for further exits
 
Blood Mage said:
Crap source, if we're buying Martinez I don't believe we'll risk our special relationship with Ajax by taking another one of their players.
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If we sign them both it's because we've paid Ajax an amount of money they are happy with. It won't risk any relationship
 
Why are people saying if our main goalscorer is off then we need to bring in Antony?

Has anyone watched Rashford and Martial over the past few seasons?

Antony doesn't solve our striker issue.
 
Rozay said:
And way behind England.

And our players ‘being shit’ is relative. We still finished in the top 6 of by far the toughest top league out there. And our finishing 6th was considered a huge disappointment for these players, as they are considered good enough to have done much better than 6th. In England. The Ajax players would have no such expectation.

The likes of Daley Blind, Dudan Tadic, Sebastian Haller and Davey Klassen could only manage somewhere between ‘decent’ and terrible over here. You’re having an absolute laugh if you think Ajax have 8 or 9 players better than ours. A team of Haller, Tadic, Gravenberch, Alvarez, Blind and Onana does not finish in the English top 6.
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Now you're having a laugh. Whilst I agree with most of your post, Ajax would have finished above United easily last year. United does have a better squad on paper, but Ajax was a much better team. Of course Ajax doesn't have 8/9 better players than Uniteds best 11. Maybe 4 at best. Nevetheless football is a team game as you should know by know.

Ajax players could cope in CL. They can cope in PL, but they need a solid game plan like most players. You are all so incredibly overrating PL. Any good team will do very well in PL. A lot of Manchester City's players would look average in a team that plays without a solid game plan. On that department United has been absolute garbage for quite a while and Ajax have been miles ahead of United in that respect.
 
Daslogisch said:
Now you're having a laugh. Whilst I agree with most of your post, Ajax would have finished above United easily last year. United does have a better squad on paper, but Ajax was a much better team. Of course Ajax doesn't have 8/9 better players than Uniteds best 11. Maybe 4 at best. Nevetheless football is a team game as you should know by know.

Ajax players could cope in CL. They can cope in PL, but they need a solid game plan like most players. You are all so incredibly overrating PL. Any good team will do very well in PL. A lot of Manchester City's players would look average in a team that plays without a solid game plan. On that department United has been absolute garbage for quite a while and Ajax have been miles ahead of United in that respect.
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Ajax’ players coped no better in the CL than ours did. They went out to Benfica in the second round.

Perhaps it should become clear to you that the truth is that United are simply not as bad as you or the hysteria suggests. Even last year, if we drew Ajax in the knock-out stages of the CL, we would have been clear favourites. Football is a team game, agreed, but just because Ajax’ team works well in the Eredivise does not mean they would finish in the top 5 in England. Ajax ‘was a better team’, but just because they had cohesion relative to their level doesn’t mean they can do better than us. They have an understanding, but so did Slavia Prague in the Czech league. Or Bodo Glimt, who play great and fluid football, but would not have finished above United in the PL last season.

And to say even 4 Ajax players are better than ours is a stretch. Especially if every player’s history is not erased and they start from zero every August. 1-11 of our first team last season are better players than Ajax have, with the debatable exception of Mazraoui I’d say. Players like Berghuis who was a flop at fecking Watford would get nowhere near United, not would Tadic or Haller. A few of the others are just young promise, of whom Ajax have loads every year because their league is so easy. We’ll see how many of them end up better than Joel Veltman or Viktor Fischer. Berghuis, who has earned praise from Ten Hag for converting him into a 10 is miles off Bruno Fernandes, and would be a terrible 10 at United. Van de Beek who was one of your better players has barely shown that he can cut it at PL level, let alone United. The gulf is huge.

Ajax’s squad of last season would do well to finish in the PL top 10, let alone above United.
 
Rozay said:
Ajax’ players coped no better in the CL than ours did. They went out to Benfica in the second round.

Perhaps it should become clear to you that the truth is that United are simply not as bad as you or the hysteria suggests. Even last year, if we drew Ajax in the knock-out stages of the CL, we would have been clear favourites. Football is a team game, agreed, but just because Ajax’ team works well in the Eredivise does not mean they would finish in the top 5 in England. Ajax ‘was a better team’, but just because they had cohesion relative to their level doesn’t mean they can do better than us. They have an understanding, but so did Slavia Prague in the Czech league. Or Bodo Glimt, who play great and fluid football, but would not have finished above United in the PL last season.

And to say even 4 Ajax players are better than ours is a stretch. Especially if every player’s history is not erased and they start from zero every August. 1-11 of our first team last season are better players than Ajax have, with the debatable exception of Mazraoui I’d say. Players like Berghuis who was a flop at fecking Watford would get nowhere near United, not would Tadic or Haller. A few of the others are just young promise, of whom Ajax have loads every year because their league is so easy. We’ll see how many of them end up better than Joel Veltman or Viktor Fischer. Berghuis, who has earned praise from Ten Hag for converting him into a 10 is miles off Bruno Fernandes, and would be a terrible 10 at United. Van de Beek who was one of your better players has barely shown that he can cut it at PL level, let alone United. The gulf is huge.

Ajax’s squad of last season would do well to finish in the PL top 10, let alone above United.
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Delusional
 
Rozay said:
Indeed you are.

Berghuis, Haller and Tadic would be stars of the PL.
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Nothing to do with the previous post. Gravenbergh, Mazroui, Antony, Timber, Martinez would improve your team immidiately. We were a way better team last year than you were and it’s laughable to deny it.
We would have easily finished in the top 6 last year in the PL.

Besides that, Donny is one of the few players in your team that actually is technical and knows how to play one-touch football. Let’s see how he performs this year.
 
Objectively speaking, Ajax were superior to United last season in terms of the quality of the football played. True, United were in a much tougher league but we were horrifyingly poor and scraped our way through a lot of wins that could have easily been defeats. It's impossible to imagine City and Liverpool dissecting Ajax the way they dissected us.
 
Thoms said:
Nothing to do with the previous post. Gravenbergh, Mazroui, Antony, Timber, Martinez would improve your team immidiately. We were a way better team last year than you were and it’s laughable to deny it.
We would have easily finished in the top 6 last year in the PL.

Besides that, Donny is one of the few players in your team that actually is technical and knows how to play one-touch football. Let’s see how he performs this year.
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That’s BS, born out of seeing these players solely in a good light because they are so much better than the can drivers they face weekly in Holland. Mazraoui and Antony are the ones who could really improve us. We have better centre halves than the two you have. And I doubt Gravenberch would have started for us either. A player who all the Ajax fans on here tell us every week is so inconsistent and about your 5th best player.

‘Ajax would easily finish in the top 6 in England?’ Do me a favour. If they played West Ham tomorrow I doubt they would be favourites. You overrate your players because they dominate a league in which the other teams put together will struggle to find 3 players who could play for us. You beat some no marks 10-0 in your league ffs. Timber is a talent, but he’s not better than Varane. And Maguire had a terrible season, but he’s shown a better level too.
 
Rozay said:
That’s BS, born out of seeing these players solely in a good light because they are so much better than the can drivers they face weekly in Holland. Mazraoui and Antony are the ones who could really improve us. We have better centre halves than the two you have. And I doubt Gravenberch would have started for us either. A player who all the Ajax fans on here tell us every week is so inconsistent and about your 5th best player.

‘Ajax would easily finish in the top 6 in England?’ Do me a favour. If they played West Ham tomorrow I doubt they would be favourites. You overrate your players because they dominate a league in which the other teams put together will struggle to find 3 players who could play for us. You beat some no marks 10-0 in your league ffs. Timber is a talent, but he’s not better than Varane. And Maguire had a terrible season, but he’s shown a better level too.
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Thanks for the laughs
 
lex talionis said:
Objectively speaking, Ajax were superior to United last season in terms of the quality of the football played. True, United were in a much tougher league but we were horrifyingly poor and scraped our way through a lot of wins that could have easily been defeats. It's impossible to imagine City and Liverpool dissecting Ajax the way they dissected us.
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Indeed. The team played better football than our team, no doubt. But their players are not better than ours. Their ‘good football’ is a false equivalence. Our players are far superior, and the players we face are even more superior to the rubbish they face. Their good play is no metric. We actually know who their players are. It’s Davy fecking Klassen.
 
Thoms said:
Thanks for the laughs
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You’re totally deluded. Your league is an embarrassment, and the fact that Ajax manage to put some passing patterns together in it does not make them better than any too 6 side in England. Especially one that finished in the top 3 the two seasons prior. Our players are far better than yours. We’ll probably send VDB back there in the summer and he’ll get 20 goals next season.
 
Rozay said:
You’re totally deluded. Your league is an embarrassment, and the fact that Ajax manage to put some passing patterns together in it does not make them better than any too 6 side in England. Especially one that finished in the top 3 the two seasons prior. Our players are far better than yours. We’ll probably send VDB back there in the summer and he’ll get 20 goals next season.
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So emberassing to read. Yeah, our league is significantly weaker due to financial reasons. And? We still have a way better TEAM than you guys had last year and would play you off the park. Last year was the most miserable bunch of footballers I’ve ever seen wearing a UTD shirt.

I wouldn’t want Shaw, Maguire, AWB, Rashford (in this form), Martial (who was utter shit in Spain), Jones, McTominay and Fred anywhere near our team.

And btw, calling our league an emberassement is laughable. Bloody spuds couldn’t beat Vitesse this year. For the little amount of money our league has were doing okayish.

And please send us DvB back, would be lovely to see him in a team that is able to stitch more than 4 passes together.
 
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Antony top right.
 
Rozay said:
You’re totally deluded. Your league is an embarrassment, and the fact that Ajax manage to put some passing patterns together in it does not make them better than any too 6 side in England. Especially one that finished in the top 3 the two seasons prior. Our players are far better than yours. We’ll probably send VDB back there in the summer and he’ll get 20 goals next season.
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According to ClubElo Ajax is currently the 6th best team in the world. In my opinion, both the math and logic of ClubElo is very solid. This Ajax-team is far better than Man Utd and West Ham.

But I still agree with Rozay, the potential of the Man Utd-player is better than the ones at Ajax. In my opinion, it just goes to show that this is a team game and how much good coaching can do.
 
andersj said:
According to ClubElo Ajax is currently the 6th best team in the world. In my opinion, both the math and logic of ClubElo is very solid. In my opinion, this Ajax-team is far better than Man Utd and West Ham.

But I still agree with Rozay, the potential of the Man Utd-player is better than the ones at Ajax. In my opinion, it just goes to show that this is a team game and how much good coaching can do.
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Ofcourse your potential is WAY better than what we have. Im superexcited to see what EtH can do with this bunch of players (and some additions, I think FdJ will be absolutely KEY to your team this year).
 
Our players are obviously better than Ajax’s for feck’s sake. They also have twice the wage bill of their nearest competitor in Holland so forgive me for not swooning over their performances in the Eridivise.
 
Tavern in the town said:
Our players are obviously better than Ajax’s for feck’s sake. They also have twice the wage bill of their nearest competitor in Holland so forgive me for not swooning over their performances in the Eridivise.
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Some of our players are, definitely not all of them. We are linked to Martinez & Antony...
 
Rams said:
Ajax are a better side, or at least were until ten Hag left.
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We can use all kinds of semantics, I appreciate that they have a far better understanding - but they do not have a collection of better footballers than us, not by a long way. And the collection of footballers they have would look far impressive in this league. In fact, a number of them already have.

If given the opportunity, I’m sure Ten Hag would have been happy to have Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Fernandes, Fred, Varane, Shaw, De Gea instead of Tadic, Haller, Berghuis, Alvarez, Blind, Onana and probably his centre halves to. That is my only point, not that these players have formed the best team in Europe. Simply that they are better footballers.
 
El-Manos said:
Some of our players are, definitely not all of them. We are linked to Martinez & Antony...
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And this thread is full of doubt being expressed as to whether Antony is good enough, and posters agreeing that 50m is too much for him. There have been plenty of concerns voiced about all Ajax players we’ve been linked with.

They have a couple, I’d say Antony on the basis that we literally don’t have a right winger, and Mazraoui would have walked into our team. Beyond that, there’s every chance the rest would be squad players here, at least while the younger ones like Timber and Grav are developing.
 
andersj said:
According to ClubElo Ajax is currently the 6th best team in the world. In my opinion, both the math and logic of ClubElo is very solid. This Ajax-team is far better than Man Utd and West Ham.

But I still agree with Rozay, the potential of the Man Utd-player is better than the ones at Ajax. In my opinion, it just goes to show that this is a team game and how much good coaching can do.
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PSV and Benfica must be top 5 in the world seeing as they both brushed them aside.
 
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