Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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3vra said:
I think you can have players who are playing at high level in some Leagues but It does not mean they can take that level and perform anywhere. Van De beek playing in a good team with opponents who give him much time and without additional pressure is ok footballer who can make some simple passes and score goals but when he plays for us and our opponents are more physical and put more pressure he just cannot cope with that and turns into poor player. There are players who do not need speed, dribbling and other attributes to be one of the best because they are smart, have good understanding of the game and have very nice foot to give an assist or score a goal having all time in the world. Ziyech, Tadic, Van De Beek are examples of that. They only need those few attributes to shine. When the gameplay is slower you do not need to be fast, so when you get the ball you can focus on finding some movement around and make things happen but in better League you need to somehow make that few seconds for yourself by being faster or leaving your opponent behind with some dribbling. So being very good winger your main attributes are good shot and good pass and also your movement, that is what count the most but the more difficult the League the more additional skills you need to get to the point when you have the opportunity to use that main attributes. Antony have those attributes that are necessary to be great winger and also is hard working, rapid with great technique and also looks like someone who is gonna cooe with the pressure.
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Salah is probably the best recent example of a player who was merely "good" in a merely "good" league who kicked it up to world class level immediately when he started playing in the PL.

I still reckon that the price is far too high for such a gamble. For the fees involved you have to be signing players who are dead certs to deliver.
 
Abraxas said:
It's a ludicrous fee. I don't know why some have difficulty in admitting the totally obvious that is right in front of them. No amount of "Yeah but Nunez cost X" or "Fofana is worth Y" dresses up an 80 million forward that plays in the Dutch league. It's completely unheard of for that to happen and taken on its own merit for where he is in his career it is bonkers. That can be fully admitted without being downbeat about the signing or lacking excitement for it. It's a very exciting signing too.
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Thats how i feel. Think anyone expecting a 100m forward is going to be disappointed. Though i haven't really watched much of him, just presume Ajax reluctance to sell pumped the number up big time.
 
Most exciting signing in years. Old Trafford will be rocking every time he gets the ball
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Salah is probably the best recent example of a player who was merely "good" in a merely "good" league who kicked it up to world class level immediately when he started playing in the PL.

I still reckon that the price is far too high for such a gamble. For the fees involved you have to be signing players who are dead certs to deliver.
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Salah’s stats in a much better league were absolutely miles better than Antony’s so I don’t think it’s comparable. He was also a much more experienced player.

Antony is only 22 and still much more raw. We will be waiting a few years to see how good he truly can be. He does immediately add an exciting new dimension to our attack though, at least.
 
Bratt said:
Jeeeez, the moaning. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
We have signed a very talented, young player in a position we were screaming for upgrades in, enjoy folks. This is supposed to be fun.
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Painful, isn't it?
 
Those moaning about the fee. Three years ago Ajax sold a teenage centre back for just under 70m and de jong for 65m. That's 135m. Selling Antony and Martinez for the same amount 3 years later isn't exactly unprecedented.

A fee can only be judged by the results
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Can't wait to see him on left wing :wenger: :drool:
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I know you are joking, but it's just not going to happen unless we have a huge injury crisis. We have Rashford, Sancho and Martial all who can play on the left before we think of Antony on the left. He was specifically signed because ETH wanted a left footed winger on the right and we were shoehorning Sancho there.
 
Think there will be far too much expectation on him to deliver something he just isn't capable of. But he'll at least offer more than grealish has. I'll take no greater joy than to be wrong about him, hope he hits the ground running.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Salah’s stats in a much better league were absolutely miles better than Antony’s so I don’t think it’s comparable. He was also a much more experienced player.

Antony is only 22 and still much more raw. We will be waiting a few years to see how good he truly can be. He does immediately add an exciting new dimension to our attack though, at least.
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22 year old Salah playing in the Swiss league was scoring 5 goals a season. 25 year old Salah went from scoring 15 goals a season in Serie A to scoring 32 goals for Liverpool the following season.
 
Kill 'em all said:
22 year old Salah playing in the Swiss league was scoring 5 goals a season. 25 year old Salah went from scoring 15 goals a season in Serie A to scoring 32 goals for Liverpool the following season.
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Right and he was talking about the 25 year old version who had way better stats than 22 year old Antony in a much better league ergo… what about what I said has been disproven?
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
Salah is probably the best recent example of a player who was merely "good" in a merely "good" league who kicked it up to world class level immediately when he started playing in the PL.

I still reckon that the price is far too high for such a gamble. For the fees involved you have to be signing players who are dead certs to deliver.
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who are those players ? And what team would sell them? Plus for me the fact that Antony worked with ten Hag and also his system and knows It very well gives us the best chance for success.

we live in times when Forrest pays 70mil for Gibbs White and Williams, Isak is going for 70 mil, Gordon is quoted 60, Fofana went for 75.
If Gibbs went for 45 i bet Podence or Neto would cost 60-70 and still i think that Antony has the best chance to make It.

Gnabry, Sane, Coman, Dembele would probably cost similar amount as Antony and still you do not know if that would work.

TBH i would not bet that Salah would fit into our team.

Every player we would bought would have a question mark over their head so i think we made a right choice and if 83,5 mil pounds were available i bet we wanted to make the best possible signing and our manager decided to go for Antony so lets wait and see but i would rather look at It as a additional 25 mil to any player we would get who would cost minimum 50 to have someone at the level to get straight to the first team.
 
Realize the media coverage this will give. Ronaldwho will not even be news anymore.

Expensive but extremely bold move. The sort of pressure this will put on ETH. Now it’s “just” to get the half a billion pound football engine running!
 
Negativity in this thread is tough to understand. It's a lot of money, yes, but surely people would rather we bought a talent who should solve one of our most glaring areas of weakness than not, regardless of whether or not we're paying a bit over the odds?
 
90 + 5min said:
Draxler, Juanmi, Kvaratskhelia, Szoboslai. There are lot more. Players that would be easier to get, not cost to much and would give us good attacking alternatives. I really don't like these mega money buys who usually let us down in big way.

As I said, I hope Antony is worth that money. But I'm not jumping from my chair yet.
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You have just come up with some random youngsters . Could have just mentioned Amad and Garnacho as well.

Drexler , seriously?
 
bond19821982 said:
You have just come up with some random youngsters . Could have just mentioned Amad and Garnacho as well.

Drexler , seriously?
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When people say "a lot more" it translates to I cant name any more.

Ill raise the challenge to name 10-15.

The list mentioned is terrible, you want quality you pay the price.
 
90 + 5min said:
Draxler, Juanmi, Kvaratskhelia, Szoboslai. There are lot more. Players that would be easier to get, not cost to much and would give us good attacking alternatives. I really don't like these mega money buys who usually let us down in big way.

As I said, I hope Antony is worth that money. But I'm not jumping from my chair yet.
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You come across as being more of an armchair scout than a football fan tbh

Anyone who loves football should be excited about signing a skillful winger like Antony, rather than moaning about whichever shit alternatives we could've signed from the bargain bin
 
Massive Spanner said:
Salah’s stats in a much better league were absolutely miles better than Antony’s so I don’t think it’s comparable. He was also a much more experienced player.

Antony is only 22 and still much more raw. We will be waiting a few years to see how good he truly can be. He does immediately add an exciting new dimension to our attack though, at least.
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Dzeko hit 4 fewer goals just in one year at Rome compared to Salah's whole stint in Italy (3 years). Shaarawy was also hitting numbers close to what Salah did during the same time at Roma.

Kagawa had generally the same numbers as KdB before either of them moved to PL.

Stats don't tell the whole story and if Salah went to United instead of Pool at the time his career would've taken into a different direction.
 
95+5 is a lot of money. A true historical fee. No one ever thought the fee would ever get to these insane amounts only a few weeks ago. Ajax lost too many players, but on the business side we did a fantastic job. 100m for an Eredivisieplayer. That sets a nice standard for the future as well. :)
 
TheNewEra said:
When people say "a lot more" it translates to I cant name any more.

Ill raise the challenge to name 10-15.

The list mentioned is terrible, you want quality you pay the price.
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I did raise this earlier. The realistic right wing options are Olise, Ziyech, Neto, Asensio, Berardi etc.

Olise is the only one I would be keen but will cost 60m + . Not much of a difference ! Left footed right wingers are not in the market .
 
Daslogisch said:
95+5 is a lot of money. A true historical fee. No one ever thought the fee would ever get to these insane amounts only a few weeks ago. Ajax lost too many players, but on the business side we did a fantastic job. 100m for an Eredivisieplayer. That sets a nice standard for the future as well. :)
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Hopefully we'll stop shopping at Ajax for a while and scout some other leagues
 
I don't get why people don't understand that many have issues with paying this sort of money:

1. Whilst of course the money isn't coming directly out of your pocket, it's out of our team's transfer budget so reasonable to question where it's being spent

2. It seems reasonable to me to question the logic of paying a league's record transfer fee for someone who has proved very, very little at the top level

3. It doesn't mean you're not excited about the player, it's just also thinking about the big picture

That all said, he looks exciting and we've done the deal now so no going back. Welcome Antony, I hope you smash it
 
It's a gamble spending that much on anyone but he's young so plenty of time to improve and Ten Hag knows him well and he's already proved he plays well in his system. I think he'll be a great signing and talk of the price tag will go quiet as long as he performs well
 
I don't really care about the price tag as long as the Board are backing him and doing all they can to bring in the players EtH wants. Only time will tell if Antony is worth the money .
 
90 + 5min said:
Draxler, Juanmi, Kvaratskhelia, Szoboslai. There are lot more. Players that would be easier to get, not cost to much and would give us good attacking alternatives. I really don't like these mega money buys who usually let us down in big way.

As I said, I hope Antony is worth that money. But I'm not jumping from my chair yet.
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These are the identical players?

None of them are like Antony?

Poor take. By all means make the already cliché “it’s a lot of money“ but don’t then suggest completely different styles of players (who we also don’t need)

Draxler isnt a RW and isn’t any better than Bruno/Eriksen.

Juanmi I think is a joke of a suggestion.

Kvart has shown promise but isn’t a known quantity by our manager and thus a higher risk option.

Szoboszlai is also not a RW while a great young player wouldn’t offer anything we don’t have.
 
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