Oh definitely, he clearly doesn’t give a crap. I think people need to understand, Ajax are a huge club. They can’t just come across as a feeder club to us by just giving away their manager, their POTY and their best attacker. So his quotes right now make sense.Don't think the player himself gives a crap how they portray him frankly, he's done everything to force their hand and seems desperate to leave.
Turning down almost double his value at near 100m for him and keeping a pissed off star will only backfire for them but at least megamind will get to act like Big Daddy bollocks
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Antony can play LW too.
The talk seems to be that because Chelsea is being difficult with ziyech, they'd rather reject this offer than sell and not replace him.
The Ajax manager (Alfred Schreuder) seems to have been around several clubs, mainly as an assistant. 6 years as an assistant at FC Twente is his longest stint, followed by a year managing Hoffenheim, where he was also an assistant for 3 years. Not sure what makes him think that he's got any clout to be rejecting huge offers in the €100million region. Ajax are a well club and they seem like they have good structure there who assess things pragmatically. Schreuder certainly can't influence the higher ups there, in my opinion.
This is a very, very generous offer. It's not like United are fobbing them off with a cheeky bid.
This is a very, very generous offer. It's not like United are fobbing them off with a cheeky bid.
Probably no chance he’s in for the game at the weekend now. Would be nice to have a settled squad so we’re not scrambling at the end of next week.
Because we've left it so late they don't need the money. They will also find that the price of anyone they would want as a replacement will also increase significantly. I'm not convinced this will go through.
If/when we sign him and he ends up looking much better on the left than he does on the right
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They’d be absolutely bonkers to turn down that sort of money for a player that desperately wants to leave and is refusing to train. They won’t be getting anywhere close to that sort of fee next summer. This is literally the prime time for them to sell him.
It's not him rejecting our offers
You’re assuming he doesn’t have a storming World Cup; he does that, alongside a solid club campaign, and this summer’s valuation will be long gone.
He’s only 22, we can come back in a year’s time when he has a year less on his contract therefore his value drops. We can safely assume no other club will outbid us in the meantime. Take the €90m now or €70m next year.
What do we expect him to say in response to this?
Oh, I know that. But, that's not really what he seems to be implying.
"If a player really wants to move, he very often goes right?"
"No. Not with me."
Just seems incredibly naïve from his part. As if he can have the authority to say that Antony goes nowhere.
Oh right, I see what you mean. Not sure about his English, maybe this just translates more bullish than it sounds in Dutch, although he does appear pretty confident.
Some of his answers are a bit disrespectful, some of the questions are absolutely wild, though. Can't get over that one they asked Timber, that's just a dick move
He still won't be worth 100m, and you are also assuming he puts all this behind him to have another great year, and Ajax to be just as good. Otherwise raphinha most likely starts ahead of him.
You could be right. It might be me being too mean towards him or the translation not being completely accurate.
I agree with your part about Timber. No real need to be going there with that one. I dislike journalists in general, but sports ones do take the piss.
He has a World Cup starting spot to fight for. I can’t think of a Brazilian NT player who puts club before country; they’re gambling on him getting over it, which is about the perfect time to do so, imo.
Or he can equally have a quiet one being a sub to Raphinha and not as good league campaign after they changed the manager and replaced half the squad. That is the more likely scenario tbh. Let's be honest rejecting 100M would be a a questionable business decision by the Ajax owners to say the least.
The way the market is heading there is every chance they could ask the same next summer and more clubs may be interested. If he's as good as presumably Ten Hag thinks then he might have a great year in terms of goals and assists in that league.
After 1st September he either carries on sulking on gets his head down with a World Cup place to play for.
We've left it too late.
Really depends on how he’s rated; if they truly believe he’s a dead-cert superstar player, it’s a gamble to take all day. The potential upswing being greater than the down, unless he absolutely tanks.
I would wager the majority of clubs with a potential world star wouldn’t sell early if they believed in the player.
There is a big chance he'll score more than 8 goals in the dutch league, yes...
Actually, it would be a big disappointment and a warning sign if he didn't.
His price tag already includes huge expectations, like doubling his scoring totals. He's valued like someone who dominates that league, I don't think some 20 goals suddenly make him a 130M player.
There's a bigger chance that if he fails to increase his numbers, the interest fades away and the demands will drop.
it's not dickswinging if we simply can't line up a suitable, affordable replacement at this point in the window.
Probably been posted before, but I would like to sign him…
Indeed. Incase Hakim would have been rentable or purchasable for a reasonable price (for a player wanted out by Chesea and wanting to leave himself as well), then the Antony-deal probably would have been done already. While Hakim is not transferable to Ajax, the best scenario for Ajax still seems to keep Antony, get Conceicao trained to replace Antony next year and let Antony make his well deserved transfer next summer. He seems to have a good match with Conceicao as well being able to become a role model for the youngster. Only downside is the money (which Ajax not really needs). Antony will get his transfer anyway, though still to my opinion better after the WC.
Looks like this is not happening anymore according to some guys I spoke in Amsterdam. Curious what will happen coming week.
He is a player in the Eredivisie. He would have to score a bucket-load of goals, get a bunch of assists and be one of Brazil's best players to even get near the €100M valuation. While being discontent with the club for having turned down a huge offer for him - despite him asking to leave.
Not to mention that Ajax have sold away a bunch of players, have a new manager who has had a decent but unremarkable career so far and will most likely not do as well in the CL as last year. The cards are stacked against Antony having the sort of season that would result in such a high valuation - never mind an increase.
I think one of the best things it would do is inspire and challenge Rashford and Sancho to be more expressive. They’ve obviously struggled in lots of ways in the last year and someone like him bringing a bit of lightness and fun to the pitch could be just the antidote.
I am always amazed at posts like this who call others stupid or ignorant yet it is absolutely clear you don't know anything about our club at all and never watch our games. That is fine, can't blame you but maybe keeping your opinion to yourself is sometimes better.
- We have no RW backup without Antony. Getting CL this year is hugely important and this year still only one direct CL spot so need to become champions. Year after we can afford to get second because it is realistic scenario we gain an extra CL place over Portugal.
- We won't just splash on Ziyech who has no re-sale value and on high wages. Might as well keep Antony for a year, sell him for 60m next year and then have a year to prepare for this outgoing transfer. So 40m+ on Ziyech because "hurr durr you have money" will not be an ideal option. You should know from experience how bad this strategy is long term. 20-25m and it will be a good deal.
- We already sold a lot of players if you don't know and started the season expecting to be done for the window. So yeah this is annoying and we don't owe anyone anything, including Antony who knew the deal.
- We love watching him play. Which is kinda valuable in itself. Being competitive now is worth a lot to sell to the fans as well.
-Sao Paolo gets 20% of the profits.
So we don't need to sell. We would be perfectly content if nothing happens.
But maybe you are right. We are not a football club with ambitions that also value short term results, we should just bank the money and then take a year off and drink margaritas.
I expect Antony to get sold for 90m+ and ideally with Ziyech as replacement for 30m max. That would be a win for everybody. But without Ziyech it definitely is not a no-brainer nor stupid.
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well if he doesn't sign for us we will get to see him playing against SCUM in the Champions League
Maybe a slight nuance in the story is that Alfred also mentions that he has no authority over money and does not take that as such into account. He tells he is aiming (naively?!) solely on the team and sportive goal completely ignoring any bids. One could state that as being naive, though it could also be interpreted as a strong statement of a trainer of a healthy club being able to offer a challenging and stable environment. I also think it is sane if a coach does not get involved in finances. The board needs to find the balance between the sportive desire of the coach and the financial state of the club.
Thing is also that we as supporters can only rely on what journos tell us. Alfred knows what is going on and also knows under what agreements he came to Ajax. What if he had an agreement about the stability of the team related to the transfers? Bit harsh if a club would tell a signing coach not more then 3 players will leave and in the end of the window 6 players of which 5 key players are transfered. We simply do not know.
From both sides you could defend the statements to accept the bid or not accept the bid. But in the end I think you have balls and a clear vision about what you want to achieve on a sporting level (is that correct english?!) if you deny an offer this big to keep a desired sportieve goal within reach.
What good is more money to Ajax though? They already dominate the league and there is only a certain level of player they can attract. Antony at this value should supposedly be the best player in the league and better than anyone they can get instead. They don't exist just to make money for the owners like us.
What will he bring to us… does he score more or is he more of a creative winger, a bit like sancho.
creative inverted winger.
Bit like sancho then but a lot quicker. How quick is he compared to the likes of rashford?
Anyone else have a nagging feeling the end of this window is going to have a "we tried but it didn't come off" vibe from the board.
What’s the odds on this getting agreed tomorrow night just before we play a match. Seems like we’re always negotiating all week and then at the end of the week it gets agreed… it’s funny that it’s always before a match aswell, maybe it’s to try and turn the attention away from the glazers with the fans protesting at each game.
If we had lost on Monday this would have already been done.
He has a contract until 2027.
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