Yeah, that's what I would think as well.
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Yeah, that's what I would think as well.
Tag me when you’re ready to engage in actual discussion, rather than going around ignoring all context in favour of cheap ad hominems!
No, it isn’t.
Ha. You got called a Tory.
If that's the case then paying €50m for Gakpo is just as much of a wild risk too then. He's worth a cheap punt, nothing more than that just yet.
There's getting a feckload from Man United and would be replacing him with a fraction of that money with what is about as low risk a transfer as imaginable.
If they are getting 90 to 100 million and wont spend less than a third of that on his replacement due to no sell on value, that's dumb.
At that point I'd have been asking more questions around the United leadership for refusing what you'd extrapolate to a club record fee and for not looking at alternatives.
We've lost £40+ million by not selling Pogba. Probably close to that by not letting De Gea go, and he was absolutely professional about it and now we have threads left and right about his salary and utility. Jesse. Dalot. The list goes on at just our club.
If a player desperately wants a move and the club can get an extraordinary fee, it is the most sensible thing to sell them. Even when it's Ronaldo in his early twenties about to become the best player on the planet.
The big issue I would have is using a players desire to leave as an excuse for not finding suitable replacements.
Someone share that list of left-footed right wingers with Ajax. Looks like they’ll need it.
This is not a slight on Ajax. They are a very well run club no doubt what so ever. But recent history has shown that they do not block transfers if their evaluation is met and that is a fact. It's the same for Benfica or Dortmund who are run in similar way.
The allure of having three Brazil internationals playing for us is worth every penny. And I have many. Many a penny.
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Feels like the Antony situation has gone too far to turn back. Let's see.
Depay is a striker rotation option. He plays false nine role. He doesn't play on the wing any more.
We're actually looking to sign Depay regardless so look forward to him i guess.
Ok so let's compare him to more recent buys in the market...
Sane to Bayern
Bernard Silva offers from Barca/PSG
Jesus to Arsenal
Werner to Leipzig
Ferran Torres to Barcelona
Raphinha to Barcelona
Richarlison to Spurs
Mahrez to City
I dont believe Antony is worth £20/30/40m more than some of these players. I also think there are players available for more value that our scouting and recruitment departments should be able to get.
I hope it works out and in time that Antony looks cheap. But I wouldn't act as though this is a value for money price for this player given his career so far.
Eh i think the past has shown that every club who played hardball and rejected crazy offers like this ended up regretting just not selling the player. Don't underestimate €100m, for a player who is desperate to leave.... Just a crazy situation all around.
Will be disappointed if this doesn't happen at this stage.
We don't need 3 average attackers.
One proper attacker is enough. Eriksen is familiar with a front 3 role and so can VdB.
Sancho Rashford martial Antony is good coverage before you consider the other names.
Obviously its nice to have dreams but surely that evaporated last year when ETH left. Makes sense to have a long term goal but the cycle is over, now its time to rebuild again, and forcing an unhappy Antony to stay for one more year isn't going to change much. I don't think they are as competitive as BVB either, when they forced Jadon to stay that year it was because they still had a very strong team and just acquired Haaland as well and they were developing something special.
But I never argued that he wasn't overpriced. You're completely changing your original point.
If Ajax gets to the top 10 and win the CL on a wage budget that would put them 20th in the Premier League and is barely a quarter of Dortmund's, that would be quite a feat! If they sold Antony for 75m, it'd pretty much finance their wage costs for 3 seasons.
So I agree it has to say something that they aren't.It is almost like clubs look in their best interest and want to sell as high as possible and buy as low as possible.
Shocker.
Also just expecting to just splash 44m on a 30 year old with no re sale value that would break our transferrecord is not going to happen.
Might as well keep Antony then. Because not sure if you have noticed lately, we don't want to and don't need to sell.
It just sucks you know should be celebrating hes coming not being pissed off at the price, and you can understand it, how does any professional club walk away at an 80m feck off price only to slink back two months later out of options paying 25% more...? Its just so bad, that 20 million is literally a right back. Or at least some way towards it.
How? The world's best Centre Backs have transferred over the past decade and none have gone for a price more than the money we both mentioned Rio would go for in this day and age.
If we do end up getting him the reaction in the match day thread will be hilarious when he messes up a quick counter by doing that carousel spin move skill he invented Guy will send the old heads on this forum to an early grave
Guy will send the old heads on this forum to an early grave He's overpriced for a multitude of reasons. It's who Ten Hag wants and it's on him and the player to prove value for money after the transfer.
If this falls through, I think we just go back in for him next summer at 60m and get him after he bitches all year. Frenkie i think is done and dusted, but Antony I think we'll keep going til we get him.
Probably, but Antony will be pissed
But I never said he wasn't. Why not just admit that your original comment about inflation was ridiculous and give over?
That's an awful list.
First off - "offers" doesn't exactly count as players moving clubs - it's just rumors.
Second - some of these players were surplus to their clubs.
Third - Mahrez moved like 5 years ago...
Strange that you refer to Mahrez transfer as recent (which was in 2018) but forget to mention the Grealish £100m last season...
Are we still confident?
squad depth? Depay? I mean they could add you, me and my neighbour's dog... and people say Ronaldo should never have been re-signed...
Exactly!
A lot of briefing from Man Utd. I think this gets done. No chance Chelsea want that type of money for Ziyech, he was only a ~£10m transfer when Man Utd were supposedly interested!
Or Felix from Sporting to Atletico for £100+m. Or Tchoeumani from Monaco go Madrid for €100m (incl add ons).
It's one factor. It's one of many that means Antony is overpriced. No decision is made off one factor but going rates for wingers in today's market, inflation and exchange rates are factors that the club will take into account. There's no doubt about it.
Plenty of more experienced and certified wingers have been transferred in the past 2 years to know that the Ronaldo and Bale transfer fees still aren't broken regularly even with the oil money coming into football.
Neymar and Mbappe are the only transfers that are recognised as blockbuster moves which changed the market values.
The footballing world knows the Hazard, Dembele, Coutinho and Joao Felix transfers were bullshit as a result and haven't demonstrated any kind of value for money.
The clubs involved in those deals haven't made such disgusting deals since. The exception probably being Tchouameni at Madrid but he's a signing many here wanted as he could prove to be a generational talent.
it's not a factor, it was a hilariously stupid thing to say and now you're going on loads of weirds tangents and arguing things that were never said. Just give over.
Or Lukaku €115m, Havertz €84m, Lucas Hernandez €80m, Pepe €80m, Kepa €80m and dozen others.
So have we submitted the new bid then?
But their valuation might not have been met. It seems like their valuation is 100 million euro's, and you have him. We haven't offered that yet and are trying to get him for less.
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