Yeah let's flood our squad with more sub bar players.
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Yeah let's flood our squad with more sub bar players.
If he has a good world cup and another good season, they can get a similar amount and have enjoyed his services for another season.
Ajax doesnt need to sell. Only risk is that he will be severely unmotivated.
44m euros for 29 year old Ziyech
What do you think is reasonable in the current market?
You just collected a bunch of deadwood with barely improving the squad, and also paid 50m for two players who are worth nothing on the market except their wages.
Chelsea will be doing this to try and feck us.
I think if you sign a player and he fails and is approaching 30 then you would probably be looking at 50 - 60% of the fee you paid.
It is unique as you signed him very cheap but I can see their reservations.
Why? What’s the limit if we make a loss?
No, we need quality, not quantity. I don't know how good is Antony exactly but other three are average. We have/had enough of those
Chelsea can ask whatever they want, but no one is paying that realistically. No top club wants him, only a PL club might be dumb enough.
For a player you signed for 30m quid, who flopped, is now 29, on higher wages, wants to leave and isn’t wanted by his manager? Not a fecking profit. Absolute dreamland.
We can‘t have two players named Anthony, won‘t work. Mike Martial just doesn‘t have a ring to it.
44 seems high for sure but as you say, we got him on the cheap.
I recon 25 to 30 million euros seems reasonable, he's absolutely proved he can do it for Ajax so there's no risk whatsover.
Seriously though, you can't demand 100m for Antony then turn around and insist on a 'fair' price for Ziyech
I know, right?!
Yes. We need squad depth more than we need one star player. How many years do we buy one star but don't do enough to fix the holes all around us?
But you're making my point for me. A world record for CB is currently what £85m? Even in this day and age of ridiculous spending that's for generational talents.
And you can't compare what Man Utd would pay for a generational talent vs a club like PSG who have a country behind them when buying Mbappe or Neymar.
44 mil does seem high for sure.
We signed him on the cheap because of his contract issues though.
If they're getting 90 million from you for Anthony, they can give us 1/3 of that for Ziyech I reckon.
Still, Ajax are a selling club who buy cheap and sell heavy. You don't risk 100 million euros based on future outcome, especially not in Eredivisie league. Even with great world cup his value will not go too much north of 100m. If he gets injured though, his value tanks. It's very straightforward situation for them to take the deal IMO.
Your overall spending needs to be in a certain relation to your income over a period of years. The less you make, the less you can spend.
Bottom line is simple - spend your resources well=have more success. Holds true whether you have a lot of resources or few.
Just because Chelsea spunk 60m on a player who has barely had one decent season doesn't mean we have to base our business off that ridiculous deal.
what use is Depay when we need a right winger? he'd be about as useful as hog roast at a bar mitzvah on a good day
I would question the bit about no risk.
If Alexis went back to Arsenal after being at United I can't say I would have much confidence of him succeeding there. Maybe a dramatic example but I do think confidence plays a bigger part than people think for players and is not something players can always get back by scoring a couple of goals.
Chelsea is trying to sabotage us. Can we have a loan deal for Antony with the option to buy?
Thing is Ziyech wants to leave, Pulisic wants to leave. Im sure a couple others do too. It becomes tedious for Tuchel to keep want away players motivated in his squad.
Its in Chelseas best interest to move Ziyech on too.
They won’t. No way they pay 30m on a 29 year old. He’ll still be there on deadline day and they’ll get him on loan. Nobody is paying that fee.
Laurie Whitwell and Rob Dawson reported that they want €50m for him. A few foreign journalists were mentioning between €40-€50m.
Same. How can someone not think that the more you waste money the less it’s available for other players in other positions ? What the hell is that logic that “it’s not my money” ? It’s not as if your life will get ruined either if you Man Utd get relegated so why do you bother if we lose every match ? You love the club, right ? So how can posters like him not care that it’s not gonna have direct impact on the performance, on the results, on the future of the club.
we're not basing it on that deal, clearly
but it's just one example of how inflated the market has become
and if you think you could get Rooney for 70 to 100m in todays market you are having a laugh surely
every big club would be begging to give you 150m+ for him
You don't get to define what Ajax is or isn't though. Ajax has ambition to be a top 10 club of the world, and they want to win the CL again. They prefer to keep their best players, and preferably for longer than 2 years. This is becoming much more possible after their successes in recent years. The sales of Frenkie and De Ligt etc, have brought Ajax to the point of being able to reject a 100m offer for their player. Exactly where clubs as Benfica and Dortmund are.
We need squad depth more than we need one star player. How many years do we buy one star but don't do enough to fix the holes all around us though?
If we buy Antony for €100m, are we going to spend for a striker, De Jong, & rb? It's doubtful, so then we'll be repeating our past mistakes imo.
We're talking about him going back to the Dutch League. I'd look half decent there. Ziyech, still in his 20's would be fine.
Chelsea doing this because they can see they are about to get 100 million euros
What do you reckon he'll be sold for then?
Anthony Gordon, another Anthony? I‘m getting my Anthony‘s mixed up.
I wouldn't be shocked if he struggled tbh!
I think both will eventually get done, but it'll go til the deadline IMO. Chelsea will drop their price for ziyech eventually. He's 29, doesn't play, wants out, they want him out, only 1 club in it. They may be playing hardball just to cockblock United, but generally, I think it'll go through eventually. These offers not going through is even more dumb than the offers themselves.
Somewhere between 25 - 30 million euro's makes sense though. Ajax will aim for 20 - 25.
What if Antony isn't a star player either, then what? All I'm saying is putting all our eggs in one basket isn't an outstanding option either.
I don’t think he will be sold. I think it’ll be a loan which is what Ajax tried for like all other top clubs have to do to get rid of players who they actively no longer want. He’s 29, on big wages with a 3 year contract. Very few clubs can afford a fee and paying those wages without zero resale value.
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