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Remember the geese said:
In what world? They look similar types of players to me and it wouldn't be a great surprise if he went on to be as good/better.
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After the few games Garnacho has played I find it a little ridiculous to fill the gaps up to Martinelli, as I’ve seen enough talents fall by the way side for all number of things. Same as I find Martenelli being hailed as insert superlative here after a good 14 game start to the season.

The poster in question has tried this crap before & was rightly put in his place in another thread. Current form aside both Antony & in particular Sancho have proven to be better players at a higher level than either.

On review, saying I wouldn’t be surprised if Garnacho was better isn’t as bad as I first read it to be though so I’ll happily take that part back. His constant Martinelli is better than X nonsense threw me.
 
I like Antony but yet another guy who keeps it tidy without a lot of aggression. He's better than Sancho in this regard, so that's something but far cry from guys like Sane, Gnabry, Salah, Mane, Sterling, Mahrez, Saka etc. Every team needs a player like that and we just don't have one. Everyone wants to overcook it and play pretty passes instead.

If the below line up is our long term

- #9 (Nunez, Haaland, Sesko mould.) -
----- Rashford --- Bruno -- Antony ------

I'm not convinced it's good enough.

Maybe we think Garnacho displaces Rashford but Rashford's skillset is just very unique and we have to play him. He's an incredible outlet on the counter.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
After the few games Garnacho has played I find it a little ridiculous to fill the gaps up to Martinelli, as I’ve seen enough talents fall by the way side for all number of things. Same as I find Martenelli being hailed as insert superlative here after a good 14 game start to the season.

The poster in question has tried this crap before & was rightly put in his place in another thread. Current form aside both Antony & in particular Sancho have proven to be better players at a higher level than either.

On review, saying I wouldn’t be surprised if Garnacho was better isn’t as bad as I first read it to be though so I’ll happily take that part back. His constant Martinelli is better than X nonsense threw me.
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Good of you to acknowledge that in your final paragraph. Yeah, of course there's every chance that Garnacho can fall by the way side. Though it wouldn't be particularly shocking to me if he went on to be as good as, or better than Martinelli. Due to Garnacho's current profile, he was the perfect tool in order to quell the poster's irritating claims. Martinelli was a Garnacho once and quite frankly, he is hardly an Mbappe or even a Vinicius Jnr now!
 
Bebestation said:
85 million wouldn’t get Neymars pubic hair these days.

People Overvalue the cost of money.

Jaoa Felix at 120 million approx is a proof that the paying system has moved on - especially when your a known rich club like us.
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I think Joao Felix is a good example. Looks to have everything but lacks something to be at the next level. Thats what Antony seems like. Nice player but short in key areas. They are both young though. So they could be world class or just muddling along. Time will tell I guess
 
Teja said:
I like Antony but yet another guy who keeps it tidy without a lot of aggression. He's better than Sancho in this regard, so that's something but far cry from guys like Sane, Gnabry, Salah, Mane, Sterling, Mahrez, Saka etc. Every team needs a player like that and we just don't have one. Everyone wants to overcook it and play pretty passes instead.

If the below line up is our long term

- #9 (Nunez, Haaland, Sesko mould.) -
----- Rashford --- Bruno -- Antony ------

I'm not convinced it's good enough.

Maybe we think Garnacho displaces Rashford but Rashford's skillset is just very unique and we have to play him. He's an incredible outlet on the counter.
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Garnacho has looked pretty lethal on the counter. Looks just as fast as Rashford and much quicker off the mark. Moves better with the ball as well. Rashford is great when offered a lot of space, but he often falls through when he is matched for pace. Garnacho has more in his locker, albeit inexperienced.
 
Remember the geese said:
Good of you to acknowledge that in your final paragraph. Yeah, of course there's every chance that Garnacho can fall by the way side. Though it wouldn't be particularly shocking to me if he went on to be as good as, or better than Martinelli. Due to Garnacho's current profile, he was the perfect tool in order to quell the poster's irritating claims. Martinelli was a Garnacho once and quite frankly, he is hardly an Mbappe or even a Vinicius Jnr now!
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That pretty much sums up my point in that initial post.

In order to elevate Martinelli the poster goes round this forum undercutting players that have performed at higher levels. Sancho has been underwhelming but his level at Dortmund against Europes elite was better than anything Martinelli has ever done.

I suppose my issue with saying Garnacho could surpass Martinelli is that I don’t particularly think he’s that high a bar to set in the first place.

Returning to Antony though. After 6 league games & a better club career at higher levels with Ajax I find it lunacy that this guy isn’t getting laughed out of the place with his Martinelli agenda. They’re always so quick to crown their players before they’ve done anything. 14 games ffs!

Edit: Nothing wrong with acknowledging when I’ve misspoke, you made a fair point.
 
NoPace said:
Dead on. Ten Hag obviously loves having him as a safety valve in possession on the right touchline and leaving the right-half space open for Bruno Fernandes makes sense, but he needs to vary his play and get in the box more. You still have to score from the far post on through balls and layoffs from the striker and crosses and cutbacks that miss the #9 or Bruno, to get to the 8-10 goals in the league minimum that we need from him.
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Yeah, exactly this. I don’t think he has the best physical attributes for the role but if he is just willing to mentally adapt his game and move decisively into these box positions more it would help a lot.
 
Oly Francis said:
Some of you guys have a very weird definition of what a "sitter" is. The only sitter that was missed in this game imo was Guimaraes at the end of the game.
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I was going to reply exactly the same thing. I think we must have been watching different games, I certainly didn’t see him miss a sitter. Some half chances, mainly created by himself.
 
But baffled by the comments regarding his performances with us. We saw how much we struggled without him to create and defend, and I think from the forwards he has been the top performer.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
That pretty much sums up my point in that initial post.

In order to elevate Martinelli the poster goes round this forum undercutting players that have performed at higher levels. Sancho has been underwhelming but his level at Dortmund against Europes elite was better than anything Martinelli has ever done.

I suppose my issue with saying Garnacho could surpass Martinelli is that I don’t particularly think he’s that high a bar to set in the first place.

Returning to Antony though. After 6 league games & a better club career at higher levels with Ajax I find it lunacy that this guy isn’t getting laughed out of the place with his Martinelli agenda. They’re always so quick to crown their players before they’ve done anything. 14 games ffs!

Edit: Nothing wrong with acknowledging when I’ve misspoke, you made a fair point.
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Agreed on the poster in question and I have noticed it previously with him too. His username is quite ironic. I concur with your point on Martinelli. I consider him to be a good talent, but not exactly otherworldly. The level of player he is, is very achievable for Garnacho. It will come down to attitude and mentality as to whether he can reach that level or surpass it, certainly not due to a lack of talent.

As for Antony, you would think that an Arsenal fan might reserve judgement for now seeing as he scored against them on debut. True also on what feels like a majority of Arsenal fans (although @GoonerBear is a very fair poster). Not sure which poster made the remark, but Lisandro Martinez being unable to break up the esteemed "Saliba-Gabriel axis" still cracks me up for it's arrogance and pretentiousness.

Edit: Just checked, it was our honourable, Arsenal supporting friend who coined that term.
 
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led_scholes said:
But baffled by the comments regarding his performances with us. We saw how much we struggled without him to create and defend, and I think from the forwards he has been the top performer.
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I agree, and he will only get better. Bit more confidence, more time with the team, more games in the EPL and he will he flying. Together with Rashford, Bruno and a decent striker, this is an amazing attacking formation when on form
 
UpWithRivers said:
I think Joao Felix is a good example. Looks to have everything but lacks something to be at the next level. Thats what Antony seems like. Nice player but short in key areas. They are both young though. So they could be world class or just muddling along. Time will tell I guess
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Joao Felix is among the best young players in the world. Head and shoulders above Antony.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed on the poster in question and I have noticed it previously with him too. His username is quite ironic. I concur with your point on Martinelli. I consider him to be a good talent, but not exactly otherworldly. The level of player he is, is very achievable for Garnacho. It will come down to attitude and mentality as to whether he can reach that level or surpass it, certainly not due to a lack of talent.

As for Antony, you would think that an Arsenal fan might reserve judgement for now seeing as he scored against them on debut. True also on what feels like a majority of Arsenal fans (although @GoonerBear is a very fair poster). Not sure which poster made the remark, but Lisandro Martinez being unable to break up the esteemed "Saliba-Gabriel axis" still cracks me up for it's arrogance and pretentiousness.

Edit: Just checked, it was our honourable, Arsenal supporting friend who coined that term.
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They are a funny bunch and enjoy commenting as if they are the absolute authority on what makes a good player. Just humour them.

@GoonerBear is fair but he shares a similar name to the WUM sadly so often confused
 
Regardless of his price, regardless of his (eventual) quality, you can't deny that Antony is a true Man United player. He's got the attitude, the swagger of a Red Devil which, between SAF and ETH, has been a rare attribute of our signings. Any doubts stemming from his propensity for possession football seem inconsequential to me, when the culture of the club is not about that anyway. In fact, with ultra-direct players like Bruno and Rashford, Antony can provide some much needed balance. Ferguson didn't care for possession, pace or dribbling. He cared about passion, bravery, and character, and Antony has that in spades.
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed on the poster in question and I have noticed it previously with him too. His username is quite ironic. I concur with your point on Martinelli. I consider him to be a good talent, but not exactly otherworldly. The level of player he is, is very achievable for Garnacho. It will come down to attitude and mentality as to whether he can reach that level or surpass it, certainly not due to a lack of talent.

As for Antony, you would think that an Arsenal fan might reserve judgement for now seeing as he scored against them on debut. True also on what feels like a majority of Arsenal fans (although @GoonerBear is a very fair poster). Not sure which poster made the remark, but Lisandro Martinez being unable to break up the esteemed "Saliba-Gabriel axis" still cracks me up for it's arrogance and pretentiousness.

Edit: Just checked, it was our honourable, Arsenal supporting friend who coined that term.
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The thing is, there's so many hurdles between being a talented young player and an elite player that it's almost pointless to make predictions. Players like Sancho or Joao Felix were far more talented at 18/19 than Martinelli or Antony and still struggle. A player like Nkunku was just "good" with PSG and totally exploded when he got to be a starter in another team.

So is it more likely than a talented player at 18 or 20 becomes an elite player? Of course. But how likely is it? No idea, maybe 10% chances or something, that's why it always makes me cringe when I read messages like "ohh we're set for 10 years, he's going to be elite!". There's more chances that he (any young talent) will not be.
 
led_scholes said:
But baffled by the comments regarding his performances with us. We saw how much we struggled without him to create and defend, and I think from the forwards he has been the top performer.
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He hasn't registered a single assist yet in a Utd shirt tbf. He's been okay so far for me. Lots of room for improvement. Talent is there but still little annoying things about his game he needs to work on.
 
The thing that bothers me the most about him is that he doesn't dribble and beat a man in 1v1 situations, that's alarming me to because because we need him to do it and create chance to himself and other players(especially the striker in the middle)
 
GoonerInPeace said:
Roy Keane called him a beach soccer player. Said he belongs on the beaches in Rio doing flicks spins
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Roy Keane also said Ronaldo should be starting every game for Utd and Ronaldo has been disrespected by the club. In summary, Keane talks bollocks.
 
Bebestation said:
85 million wouldn’t get Neymars pubic hair these days.

People Overvalue the cost of money.

Jaoa Felix at 120 million approx is a proof that the paying system has moved on - especially when your a known rich club like us.
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Discussion about Antony’s form aside, did you really just try and make a point that we shouldn’t expect much from an £85m player?
 
Remember the geese said:
Agreed on the poster in question and I have noticed it previously with him too. His username is quite ironic. I concur with your point on Martinelli. I consider him to be a good talent, but not exactly otherworldly. The level of player he is, is very achievable for Garnacho. It will come down to attitude and mentality as to whether he can reach that level or surpass it, certainly not due to a lack of talent.

As for Antony, you would think that an Arsenal fan might reserve judgement for now seeing as he scored against them on debut. True also on what feels like a majority of Arsenal fans (although @GoonerBear is a very fair poster). Not sure which poster made the remark, but Lisandro Martinez being unable to break up the esteemed "Saliba-Gabriel axis" still cracks me up for it's arrogance and pretentiousness.

Edit: Just checked, it was our honourable, Arsenal supporting friend who coined that term.
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TheReligion said:
They are a funny bunch and enjoy commenting as if they are the absolute authority on what makes a good player. Just humour them.

@GoonerBear is fair but he shares a similar name to the WUM sadly so often confused
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Cheers, had to read back the posts to see what was being spoken about, and it seemed there was mistaken identity again with my username. Remember people, I'm the Bear (as in Teddy Bear, Rangers fan as well), he's In Peace, as in we think it's ironic. :)
 
dinostar77 said:
Raees, if it was your call for left and right wing, who would you have bought instead of sancho and anthony?
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not a realistic target now but I wanted Ousmane Dembele. I feel like United wingers need to be fast, daring and drag us up the pitch and be spectacular.
 
I swear he had the most take-ons in the CL last season, or Europe maybe? Per match?

He seems utterly unwilling to do it now. So weird. Has it been coached out of him or something?

I'm so tired of wingers being told recycling posession is the key, when it's so much more dangerous to just try a trick, or get one yard and then whip in a cross. Antony is more than capable of generating space, but he loves a pass backwards...
 
Doing very well in this match. Slaughtering their left back.

Also, why isn't his goal scoring/assist tally at the top of this thread like with other players? :confused:
 
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