Even though, he was poor today. Overall for the NT, Antony has actually played well for us.
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I need to watch more of Antony. When I watched him play prior to him joining, I was impressed. Especially when I saw him last summer at the Olympics. That said, I have real concerns at the moment. Still early days though.
I really want some of whatever you and kanye have been smoking
As United fans I think we all need to see a lot more of him before passing judgement, I had seen very little of him so my initial impression was based on hype, so far he seems to be a little limited, he plays it "safe" rather than take on his man more than I'd like, but he's a new and young player in a new country and a new club, I will pace more judgement at the end of the season
I didn't see the game as I watched the Serbia game but I did read the BBC report on the game and Martinelli was named as Brazil's outstanding player.
He may not make their strongest side but I think he will be first or second change.
He may not make their strongest side but I think he will be first or second change.
Were top of the league in part because of Odegaard, Saka, Martinelli, Saliba are levelling up. Its not by accident we are top. There is a new era at Arsenal and Martinelli is playing a big role. Garnacho has played about 4 games. Mind you he does look good, & I would already be placing by stock in Garnacho above Sancho, and even Antony.
I think he can have all the talent in the world, and a good attitude with defensive work, but without the mentality/vision/confidence to be a progressive and bold player, you'll never realize his potential. He has the confidence to try tricks and try to embarrass defenders, but not the confidence to attack a defender and create chances.
Roy Keane called him a beach soccer player. Said he belongs on the beaches in Rio doing flicks spins
Yup. Would be a world class 5 a side player. Remains to be seen if he can develop the right vision and mentality for the top level or just stay a decent player at best
Exhibit 1000 on why Roy Keane would know feck all.
I agree with your take overall but he is still young. We bet on him at ten Hag's insistence and I think what we paid for is his upside, that potential to perhaps be great. But clearly he has a lot to work on to be great.
His play in this past game is a concern to me. He did not look good. Might be that he is sick, or that his confidence is low from being on the bench. Hope he works past it and starts taking the duels and attacking, because that is when he is at his best.
So he played bad?
Lot of people judging him on the world cup and handful of appearances for us, cant believe some of the criticism. Foe me he is no way an £80m player...at the moment, massively over spent (hardly new).
Yet people saing give Sancho time to settle....he is English and started in England,as someone else said few posts up, needs to have right attitude....but dont we love Brazilian players of the past as they want to entertain and now we are cirticising it with him after a few games?
I think he can become a fantastic player personally from what I hav eseen (barely nothing at Ajax). He has a wand of a left foot, a great touch, fantastic close control, decent pace, tricks, presses well.....Martinelli is also doing well at Arsenal and in the world cup and of course has been more produtive.....BUT.....personally (and no slight on Martinelli), I see more potential in Antony, not saying he is the next Ronaldo or comparing him directly as such, but he does remind me of a young ROnaldo as the ability is there to see for sure, he just needs to harness it and improve the decision making and when to use the tricks and when to play it simple......doesnt mean he will become a great player, but we are actually blessed at the moment in attacking options out wide AMad, Pellestri, ANtony, Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho (make me wonder how on earth a funtional team player like ELanga is still getttign games). Surely there are three maybe four fantastic options for the two flanks there.
Still think our squad is a fair way off, but we are moving in the right way, a cb, cm and one or maybe two strikers and we arent far off if we can get the performances from talented players we have from the likes of Antony.
The Brail squad in general has lacked superstars for some time now, Neymar has been the closest but havent been any close to the likes of ROnaldhino, Cafu, Romario, Rivaldo, Zico and Ronaldo for example for a long time and I dont think any in the current squad can reach those levels either tbh (apart from the keepers who are fantastic)....but there are in ANtony and Viniscus ability wise a couple that can reach Neymar levels....and I know most (myself included) dont aprticularly like him with all the antics, but he is a top player whose career I think has been slightly blighted by a bad career move and injuries at bad times...liek this world cup
Yet people saing give Sancho time to settle....he is English and started in England,as someone else said few posts up, needs to have right attitude....but dont we love Brazilian players of the past as they want to entertain and now we are cirticising it with him after a few games?
I think he can become a fantastic player personally from what I hav eseen (barely nothing at Ajax). He has a wand of a left foot, a great touch, fantastic close control, decent pace, tricks, presses well.....Martinelli is also doing well at Arsenal and in the world cup and of course has been more produtive.....BUT.....personally (and no slight on Martinelli), I see more potential in Antony, not saying he is the next Ronaldo or comparing him directly as such, but he does remind me of a young ROnaldo as the ability is there to see for sure, he just needs to harness it and improve the decision making and when to use the tricks and when to play it simple......doesnt mean he will become a great player, but we are actually blessed at the moment in attacking options out wide AMad, Pellestri, ANtony, Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho (make me wonder how on earth a funtional team player like ELanga is still getttign games). Surely there are three maybe four fantastic options for the two flanks there.
Still think our squad is a fair way off, but we are moving in the right way, a cb, cm and one or maybe two strikers and we arent far off if we can get the performances from talented players we have from the likes of Antony.
The Brail squad in general has lacked superstars for some time now, Neymar has been the closest but havent been any close to the likes of ROnaldhino, Cafu, Romario, Rivaldo, Zico and Ronaldo for example for a long time and I dont think any in the current squad can reach those levels either tbh (apart from the keepers who are fantastic)....but there are in ANtony and Viniscus ability wise a couple that can reach Neymar levels....and I know most (myself included) dont aprticularly like him with all the antics, but he is a top player whose career I think has been slightly blighted by a bad career move and injuries at bad times...liek this world cup
Would have liked to see him make a big impact to stake a place for the knockouts stages but seems he'll remain a sub now
I’m not worried about antony one bit. Remember that goal against City or arsenal . He’s done it quite regularly at the cl. It’s hard to consistently beat a defender against a team who’s sitting deep unless your fullback makes overlapping runs.
I like Antony's overall game, especially his work rate out of possession and his ability to help the side progress the ball. I'm not sold on him ever being a true difference maker in the final third. He's got a little bit of Coutinhoitis, in that he isn't really a playmaker who assists others or creates a lot of chances but he also seems to spend almost all of his time high up the touchline or lingering above the top of the box, whether due to his playing style or a lack of physical attributes to really challenge and stress the defense. He has all sorts of talent in his left foot and will score some bangers from 20-25 yards, but that kind of player is never going to be a huge problem for defenses.
This tendency shows up really strongly in his shot maps (https://understat.com/player/11094). He takes most of his shots outside the box and he has only had two shots with an XG higher than .08 all year (and scored on both!). Its totally different than the pattern you'll see for almost any other top winger/wide forward in the PL, whether Salah, Son, Diaz, Saka, Foden, Rashford, Martinelli, Bowen, etc.
This tendency shows up really strongly in his shot maps (https://understat.com/player/11094). He takes most of his shots outside the box and he has only had two shots with an XG higher than .08 all year (and scored on both!). Its totally different than the pattern you'll see for almost any other top winger/wide forward in the PL, whether Salah, Son, Diaz, Saka, Foden, Rashford, Martinelli, Bowen, etc.
as a brazilian flair player, if he was any good, barca and real would be straight in for him. it’s better for us if he’s just bad to average as it means no one will try and buy him from us and we can keep him for the next decade.
How is it better for us if he's not any good according to your post?
Yes the problem is the LBs he faces know he wants to cut inside so they don't have to sweat him driving past them to the top and this simplifies things for them. For this reason once he develops that right foot for crossers he will be much more dangerous. Also keepers are well aware he favors the far post so that's something he needs to build some diversity with in his shots. Lastly as much as I like his left foot accuracy it is a bit on the soft side, so that is something he will need to work with and ensure he's striking the ball very consistently to maximize his chances.
But he does have excellent dribbling skills and I don't doubt that he'll be able to develop his right foot and all that. Also I am certain ten Hag has a good plan to finish his development, so I'm in no hurry to put a limit on what he can be. I still love the player.
so then we get to keep him. like having a deliberately ugly wife, so she won’t be able to cheat.
Exactly. Good job he's less Samba and more Northern Soul. I knew that spin meant something!
As long as he performs well for the club thats all matters.
Roy Keane talks a hell of a lot of shit.
Antony's biggest issue is his lack of express pace. He's basically a roided Sancho. Having said that if you give him a proper quality attacking right back next to him, it can help him cut in and be effective. For Brazil he either has a Kyle Walker type behind him or a very old Dani Alves. This in addition to the fact the Brazilian midfield is very static, so there isn't much rotations on the ball means he is often having to beat men from a standing start - which is easier for a Martinelli or a Raphinha who have pace by the bucketloads but much harder for an Antony - who is similar to a Sancho/Juan Mata.
He just doesn't fit in well. Its why at times he looks ok at United but not brilliant but at least Dalot is bombing on now.
He just doesn't fit in well. Its why at times he looks ok at United but not brilliant but at least Dalot is bombing on now.
Dead on. Ten Hag obviously loves having him as a safety valve in possession on the right touchline and leaving the right-half space open for Bruno Fernandes makes sense, but he needs to vary his play and get in the box more. You still have to score from the far post on through balls and layoffs from the striker and crosses and cutbacks that miss the #9 or Bruno, to get to the 8-10 goals in the league minimum that we need from him.
Raees, if it was your call for left and right wing, who would you have bought instead of sancho and anthony?
Raphinha is clear.. At least for now.
Not sure anyone has written him off (well I wouldn't be surprised at anything here), most on here are just analysing his game and what we've seen so far. The prevailing opinion seems to be that he's playing within himself right now for whatever reason and will eventually show more than he's currently showing.Are we writing him off? You’d think people would have learned from previous mistakes, love the Caf
You obviously watch him a lot more than I do, but I feel they're stylistically quite different
Perhaps, I like what I've seen from him a lot. He always seems to have an impact on a game
Don't think it's a coincidence we have been poor since Antony has been out. He's a good footballer and a good outlet who doesn't lose the ball a lot.
Looking forward to seeing him more.
Looking forward to seeing him more.
Hardly a recommendation for an attacking player we paid 85mil quid for
85 million wouldn’t get Neymars pubic hair these days.
People Overvalue the cost of money.
Jaoa Felix at 120 million approx is a proof that the paying system has moved on - especially when your a known rich club like us.
People Overvalue the cost of money.
Jaoa Felix at 120 million approx is a proof that the paying system has moved on - especially when your a known rich club like us.
But can they play in a midfield two?
It's early days and who cares about price?Hardly a recommendation for an attacking player we paid 85mil quid for
Everyone and their dog knew we were desperate and we coughed up. We absolutely look better when he plays.
At this stage of his career his holdup play, transitions, and off the ball work are really good.
Notwithstanding the city banger and a couple of other strikes at Ajax, I think his shooting technique is poor (inconsistent?). All those weak/scuffed shots followed by hands up apologies grates evoke Lukaku thumbs up memories for me.
Notwithstanding the city banger and a couple of other strikes at Ajax, I think his shooting technique is poor (inconsistent?). All those weak/scuffed shots followed by hands up apologies grates evoke Lukaku thumbs up memories for me.
As opposed to calling it a new era for Arsenal cause you’re top of the league after 14 games. . .
That Garnacho shout was outlandish. You littering the Antony thread with your pro-Arsenal rhetoric runs it close though.
As for placing Garnacho stock above Antony & Sancho, what have Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard & Saliba done in the Champions League? I can provide receipts for both Sancho & Antony at the top table.
Death, taxes, Gooberbear chatting nonsense on a rival club forum.
He's generally played very well for us so far. I don't really understand this constant doubt about him.
He'll be a key player in the last two thirds of the season.
He'll be a key player in the last two thirds of the season.
In what world? They look similar types of players to me and it wouldn't be a great surprise if he went on to be as good/better.
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