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Antony could go one of 2 ways, he could either turn out to be a Douglas Costa or an Angel Di Maria, hopefully the latter.

He's not intelligent enough, doesn't have a game that can adapt like Di Maria...rolling the ball under his feet, ridiculous 360 turns etc, which ETH told him to cut-out... when he has provided how many assists this season???


And he lacks humility and doesn't quite get the requirements and expectations of a Manchester United player. We have seen many like this in recent seasons, and we all know what happens to those players in the end...
 
He's not intelligent enough, doesn't have a game that can adapt like Di Maria...rolling the ball under his feet, ridiculous 360 turns etc, which ETH told him to cut-out... when he has provided how many assists this season???


And he lacks humility and doesn't quite get the requirements and expectations of a Manchester United player. We have seen many like this in recent seasons, and we all know what happens to those players in the end...

ETH never told him to cut it out, he said there must be a purpose to it. Lets look at the moment of when he did the turn in the Europa League, he does the turn, Casemiro makes a blind side run, he see's the run at the perfect time but overhits the pass. Now I'd have an issue if he does the turn and does not see or make the pass, but he does, and if the pass came off we'd be in behind and on goal.

Di Maria at 22 was not intelligent, tell me how many players at that age actually totally understand their position and the game, very few.

Humility? WTF is this? We had a captain who ended a mans career and you're talking about humility? In the early 2000's we were the dirtiest most hated team in the country, no one cares for humility, its all about winning.
 
It's scary that he seems to have 2 tricks in his arsenal and neither are actually designed to progress the ball or make space. In fact both are designed to do the opposite and just anger opponents.

He's like a footballer made for Fifa volta, not real life.
 
Compare a 22 year old Di Maria to a 22 year old Antony, there's not massive differences in their game, Di Maria was very one dimensional, used to blow hot and cold, gave the ball away a lot. Even a couple seasons into his Madrid move they still won't convinced of him and went and got Bale.

Everyone's not a Messi where their the finished article at 21, or even Saka who is a world class winger at 21, some players develop into a World Class winger when they get to 25-26. Now Antony could become this, its about us having patience with him and giving him time to develop his game.
No absolutely no, these are the kind of posts that are based entirely on fiction.

I watched di Maria when he was at Benfica and he was electrifying, pretty much was Giggs 2.0 at that point in time. Also watched him quite a lot at Madrid, especially his first season where he was incredible and arguably had the best delivery in the world at that point. The inconsistency came in the following seasons before Ancelotti arrived and revived him in the central position.

Antony's peak wont even come close to Di Maria's level when he was 22/23. There absolutely is a massive difference in their games.
 
ETH never told him to cut it out, he said there must be a purpose to it. Lets look at the moment of when he did the turn in the Europa League, he does the turn, Casemiro makes a blind side run, he see's the run at the perfect time but overhits the pass. Now I'd have an issue if he does the turn and does not see or make the pass, but he does, and if the pass came off we'd be in behind and on goal.

Di Maria at 22 was not intelligent, tell me how many players at that age actually totally understand their position and the game, very few.

Humility? WTF is this? We had a captain who ended a mans career and you're talking about humility? In the early 2000's we were the dirtiest most hated team in the country, no one cares for humility, its all about winning.

Keane didn't end Haalands career. Get your facts right newbie.
 
He's not intelligent enough, doesn't have a game that can adapt like Di Maria...rolling the ball under his feet, ridiculous 360 turns etc, which ETH told him to cut-out... when he has provided how many assists this season???
1.

Against Reading in the FA Cup.
 
No absolutely no, these are the kind of posts that are based entirely on fiction.

I watched di Maria when he was at Benfica and he was electrifying, pretty much was Giggs 2.0 at that point in time. Also watched him quite a lot at Madrid, especially his first season where he was incredible and arguably had the best delivery in the world at that point. The inconsistency came in the following seasons before Ancelotti arrived and revived him in the central position.

Spot on. As daft a comparison as the Antony/Giggs one the other day. I think Antony has a chance of coming good, if United get better players on the ball at CF, MF, RB, but he’s never going to be anything like Di Maria style wise , never mind be at his best level. I sometimes wonder how people watch a player and come up with these comparisons.
 
No absolutely no, these are the kind of posts that are based entirely on fiction.

I watched di Maria when he was at Benfica and he was electrifying, pretty much was Giggs 2.0 at that point in time. Also watched him quite a lot at Madrid, especially his first season where he was incredible and arguably had the best delivery in the world at that point. The inconsistency came in the following seasons before Ancelotti arrived and revived him in the central position.

Antony's peak wont even come close to Di Maria's level when he was 22/23. There absolutely is a massive difference in their games.

I agree with you that Di Maria looked great when he was at Benfica and very much a Giggs 2.0, but Antony looked very good at Ajax too, when you put them compilation videos together it can make most footballers look great.

But he has always been inconsistent, he wasn't consistent one season, inconsistent the next, and consistent again, he always had games where he was up and down. Even when he came here he looked incredible against Leicester and weeks later he'd look absolutely awful.

To say Antony won't reach the level of Di Maria when he was 22/23 is a joke, the guy has had an incredible career, but the guy was blowing hot and cold back then just like Antony is now for us.
 
He averages 3 shots per 90. He must be the least self aware player I've ever seen. He's shooting like he's the second coming of Ronaldo, when he's at best a 10 goal per season player.
 
Keane didn't end Haalands career. Get your facts right newbie.

Okay almost ended his career, what it was is a leg breaker and the point remains that don't bring humility into an argument against a player when we were the dirtiest team around in the early 2000's and loved it.
 
I agree with you that Di Maria looked great when he was at Benfica and very much a Giggs 2.0, but Antony looked very good at Ajax too, when you put them compilation videos together it can make most footballers look great.

But he has always been inconsistent, he wasn't consistent one season, inconsistent the next, and consistent again, he always had games where he was up and down. Even when he came here he looked incredible against Leicester and weeks later he'd look absolutely awful.

To say Antony won't reach the level of Di Maria when he was 22/23 is a joke, the guy has had an incredible career, but the guy was blowing hot and cold back then just like Antony is now for us.
I'll just let the stats tell the story at the same age.

At 22, Antony had 10 assists last season at Ajax. Di Maria had 19 assists at Benfica.

At 23, Antony has 3 assists (2 for Ajax and 1 for us) Di Maria had 26 assists in his first season at Real.

At 24, Di Maria had 17 assists in 32 games.

I mean it when I say Antony at his peak will not reach this level. This is only stats btw, I think the eye test chasm is even bigger.
 
Okay almost ended his career, what it was is a leg breaker and the point remains that don't bring humility into an argument against a player when we were the dirtiest team around in the early 2000's and loved it.

We weren't the dirtiest team around what the feck are you on about. We were the most hated because we were the most successful. Humility and bad tackles have no correlation. Scholes by all accounts is pretty humble but he had some horrific tackles because he was shit at tackling.
 
I agree with you that Di Maria looked great when he was at Benfica and very much a Giggs 2.0, but Antony looked very good at Ajax too, when you put them compilation videos together it can make most footballers look great.

But he has always been inconsistent, he wasn't consistent one season, inconsistent the next, and consistent again, he always had games where he was up and down. Even when he came here he looked incredible against Leicester and weeks later he'd look absolutely awful.

To say Antony won't reach the level of Di Maria when he was 22/23 is a joke, the guy has had an incredible career, but the guy was blowing hot and cold back then just like Antony is now for us.

I mean I actually think Antony can be decent on his day but he doesn't have the talent Di Maria has. Not even close.
 
We weren't the dirtiest team around what the feck are you on about. We were the most hated because we were the most successful. Humility and bad tackles have no correlation. Scholes by all accounts is pretty humble but he had some horrific tackles because he was shit at tackling.

Early 2000's the only way we could compete with Arsenal was to kick them off the pitch, we were definitely a dirty team when we needed to be. Obviously when its Charlton at home there would be no need to get stuck in, but when it was time to put some challenges in we made sure we came out of them standing.

Baby face Solskjaer went knee high on Cole or Campbell back in them days, Silvestre head butted Ljungberg, and them 2 are not even the 'hard men' of the team.
 
Early 2000's the only way we could compete with Arsenal was to kick them off the pitch, we were definitely a dirty team when we needed to be. Obviously when its Charlton at home there would be no need to get stuck in, but when it was time to put some challenges in we made sure we came out of them standing.

Baby face Solskjaer went knee high on Cole or Campbell back in them days, Silvestre head butted Ljungberg, and them 2 are not even the 'hard men' of the team.

You're a troll and not a good one. We kicked arsenal around a few times but to say that's the only way we could compete with them is hilarious. They were and are our bitches.
 
You're a troll and not a good one. We kicked arsenal around a few times but to say that's the only way we could compete with them is hilarious. They were and are our bitches.

Neville and Scholes said it the other week, if we stood off them and played football vs football they would pick us apart, and there's nothing wrong in saying that, they were a good team, but never won half of what we did. In them games we understood we had to go in there and kick them to stop them playing their game.
 
Maybe we can wait until Antony separates himself from the likes of Almiron before we compare him to the likes of Giggs and Di Maria, 2 of best ever in the wide role.

He has talent and I hope and expect to see a leap next year but there are basic issues with his offensive game right now.
 
Just for comparison, how is Antony compared to Nani in his first and 2nd season, or when Nani truly became our first team regular?
 
Just for comparison, how is Antony compared to Nani in his first and 2nd season, or when Nani truly became our first team regular?

He's worse. Nani had undeniable talent, but lacked decision making. Nani from the off could roast any full back he came up against, but lacked the decision making to be consistently effective. He fixed that later on.

Antony actually just doesn't have the sort of ability to actually trouble anyone. I don't think he lacks decision making (apart from the stupidly high volume of shots he attempts), but he just lacks any legitimate threat to the opposition's defence.
 
ETH never told him to cut it out, he said there must be a purpose to it. Lets look at the moment of when he did the turn in the Europa League, he does the turn, Casemiro makes a blind side run, he see's the run at the perfect time but overhits the pass. Now I'd have an issue if he does the turn and does not see or make the pass, but he does, and if the pass came off we'd be in behind and on goal.

Di Maria at 22 was not intelligent, tell me how many players at that age actually totally understand their position and the game, very few.

Humility? WTF is this? We had a captain who ended a mans career and you're talking about humility? In the early 2000's we were the dirtiest most hated team in the country, no one cares for humility, its all about winning.
There is defending your player and there is falsehood.
Di Maria was a better player at same stage.
Early 2000 we brought in a Veron to come and twat other midfielders.
Humility is necessary to learn from your environment.
 
He's worse. Nani had undeniable talent, but lacked decision making. Nani from the off could roast any full back he came up against, but lacked the decision making to be consistently effective. He fixed that later on.

Antony actually just doesn't have the sort of ability to actually trouble anyone. I don't think he lacks decision making (apart from the stupidly high volume of shots he attempts), but he just lacks any legitimate threat to the opposition's defence.
Agreed. Nani could be incredibly frustrating and make you want to rip your hair out at times. After his first season it was a lot more often before he finally figured it out.

What separates him from Antony though is when it did click you could see what made him special. His performance at OT when we beat Arsenal 4-0 in the FA Cup was majestic. Antony is just a steady dose of average, I can't remember a single standout game from him where I thought he showed top class ability throughout. Even Memphis had his performance against the Danish side where he looked like Neymar, Antony hasn't had a special game here yet.
 
ETH never told him to cut it out, he said there must be a purpose to it. Lets look at the moment of when he did the turn in the Europa League, he does the turn, Casemiro makes a blind side run, he see's the run at the perfect time but overhits the pass. Now I'd have an issue if he does the turn and does not see or make the pass, but he does, and if the pass came off we'd be in behind and on goal.

Di Maria at 22 was not intelligent, tell me how many players at that age actually totally understand their position and the game, very few.

Humility? WTF is this? We had a captain who ended a mans career and you're talking about humility? In the early 2000's we were the dirtiest most hated team in the country, no one cares for humility, its all about winning.

You completly miss both points. 22 year old footballers can have a very, very good understanding of the game. That's not some amazing fact... I never said anything about a 22 year old knowing everything about the game. But you have been in an academy for years, and probably played top flight football for a few seasons, then yes, you can understand your position. All you do is continue to learn. I would challenge you to tell me any players who at the age of 22, who do not know anything about their game?

In terms of humility, that's nothing to do with being 'dirty or hated' that's just a silly interpretation of what I'm saying. When I say humility, it's a recognitition of how good you are, not how good you think you are... and how you need to play as a team player, rather than as an individual, and how to combine the two.

Maradona is the greatest example I can think of.... the most brilliant player, but totally in tune with the needs of the team around him, regardless of how good he may be as an individual. Current examples of this would also be a KDB on form, Salah is another one... brilliant attitude, totally team players, yet superb individuals.

Antony needs to learn this.
 
He's young and still settling in. Pace to burn, more tricks than a magician, it's just a matter of time before he ignites the touch paper.

Having said that, I can see him on loan at somewhere like Burnley next season.
 
Agreed. Nani could be incredibly frustrating and make you want to rip your hair out at times. After his first season it was a lot more often before he finally figured it out.

What separates him from Antony though is when it did click you could see what made him special. His performance at OT when we beat Arsenal 4-0 in the FA Cup was majestic. Antony is just a steady dose of average, I can't remember a single standout game from him where I thought he showed top class ability throughout. Even Memphis had his performance against the Danish side where he looked like Neymar, Antony hasn't had a special game here yet.


Nani had periods where he was immense, people forget that. He just never totally pushed on.
 
Agreed. Nani could be incredibly frustrating and make you want to rip your hair out at times. After his first season it was a lot more often before he finally figured it out.

What separates him from Antony though is when it did click you could see what made him special. His performance at OT when we beat Arsenal 4-0 in the FA Cup was majestic. Antony is just a steady dose of average, I can't remember a single standout game from him where I thought he showed top class ability throughout. Even Memphis had his performance against the Danish side where he looked like Neymar, Antony hasn't had a special game here yet.
Said this to a colleague today. Seven months in and I’m waiting for that game from him where he shows this supposed potential. Even against Charlton, he looked just good. Still couldn’t get past anyone.
 
All I have to say it is such a shame that Garnacho plays on the left.
I’m also wondering why you give Sancho months off and when he returns you still don’t seem to trust him.
 
Just for comparison, how is Antony compared to Nani in his first and 2nd season, or when Nani truly became our first team regular?


This is Nani - in his first season - playing a very good Arsenal side that were flying before injuries hit.

Antony has a long way to go before you can compare him to Nani.
 
Nani had periods where he was immense, people forget that. He just never totally pushed on.
He suffered from being held in comparison to as the next Ronaldo, very few players manage to compare. Even Rooney and Benzema, two of the greats, struggled.

For me I think Nani is somewhat underrated. He was great in the Euros final for Portugal. He has some great seasons and games with us. His natural talent was immense, I don't think I've seen a winger since that could breeze past a player as easily as he did and assist and score with both feet. The closest comparison for me is Ousmane Dembele, who I really wanted us to try sign in the summer. Of course players like Mane are more effective, but there's still something magical to me about the way Nani would just glide past players.
 
Just for comparison, how is Antony compared to Nani in his first and 2nd season, or when Nani truly became our first team regular?
No comparison to be honest.

Nani was excellent in his first season especially when you consider his age (19 I believe). She showed tons of his technical talent and potential, scored some good goals and unless I’m mistaken helped us in the CL final penalty shoot out.

Antony hasn’t been as bad as made out. He’s often been a solid wheel in the cog but I think his issue is just that - so far you can really see top class natural talent. At times, you can’t get the ball off him and he works really hard off the ball but he so far he’s struggling to show his passing or dribbling ability.

And peak Nani for those 2 seasons was one of the best wide players on the planet. So Antony has a long way to go. I can only hope that it’s a lack of confidence that’s a stumbling block to him being able to showcase his dribble and passing qualities. Granted he doesn’t have electric pace but A) he could build his upper body strength so he can take defender on and not be afraid B) maybe due to confidence issues he’s not going for passes and playing it safe because my understanding based on clips was that he linked up well and C) there are these rare times when he does a body feigns and it works really well due to his low centre of gravity but I don’t know why he doesn’t do it more often.

Or maybe it’s wishful thinking from me.But I’d still wait to see him at the start of next season to fully judge him
 
He blows hot and cold which is to be expected from a player of his age, everyone was shite on Sunday, it happens.
 
All I have to say it is such a shame that Garnacho plays on the left.
I’m also wondering why you give Sancho months off and when he returns you still don’t seem to trust him.
Maybe he’s not repaying that trust in training.
 
At the same time, he has only just turned 22 and the PL is a brutally hard league to adapt to especially for attacking flair players when coming from other lesser leagues. See Chelsea’s signing who Arsenal were also chasing.
 
Just for comparison, how is Antony compared to Nani in his first and 2nd season, or when Nani truly became our first team regular?

Nani showed way more talent in his first 2 seasons.

When Nani truly blossomed, he's just levels and levels above what Antony can reach IMO.
 
Views on Gakpo are skewed due to one battering of us. He has been bang average as well.
True that Gakpo is also bang average, but at least he is more all-rounded and versatile which make him a solid squad option (unlike Antony who can only play on the right which forces Bruno to the left). He is only half the price so expectation is lower. He knows his limitation and he won't do those meaningless showboats. Both Gakpo and Antony are young and new to PL, but I'll certainly put my money on Gakpo in terms of improvement in the future.
 
True that Gakpo is also bang average, but at least he is more all-rounded and versatile which make him a solid squad option (unlike Antony who can only play on the right which forces Bruno to the left). He is only half the price so expectation is lower. He knows his limitation and he won't do those meaningless showboats. Both Gakpo and Antony are young and new to PL, but I'll certainly put my money on Gakpo in terms of improvement in the future.
Let’s see how it goes. I’m not sure Gakpo is that well rounded. He’s just physically more immediately suited to the league. Antony’s work rate is a lot better based one what ive seen.

Of course the difference in fee is enormous but under the Glazers I wouldn’t expect us to be run well. Even this summer we left it late forcing ourselves into a corner. Hopefully it changed under the new owners.
 
Antony could go one of 2 ways, he could either turn out to be a Douglas Costa or an Angel Di Maria, hopefully the latter.
He's not anywhere NEAR either of those players. Douglas costa could beat multiple men with his speed and dribbling. Just lacked end product and could often be Jekyll and Hyde with his form like most wingers. But there was no doubt that he was a proper winger. Antony cannot even beat one man. Its an insult to even call him a winger at this point when he does absolutely nothing that one would expect from an actual winger.
 
At his best he will be a cog in the system. I don't think he will ever be a great player in his own. Bruno, Rashford and new striker will be responsible for most goals and assists. I don't see how he will turn into a productive player. From not producing great numbers in a free scoring team to doing it all of a sudden I don't see it.
 
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