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He's a pretty limited player but in recent weeks he was actually looking fairly useful in ways and helped us get a hold of some games by retaining the ball and moving us up the pitch. He's normally a hard worker defensively too. Yesterday was just a bizarre one from him.

Genuinely don't think he has it in him to be a starter for us long term, however if he gets back to how he has been recently he can be a decent squad option and provide some options in certain games. If he doesn't? He won't last that long.
 
Yeah, I'm not seeing it all. It isn't like he is just inconsistent, there are things he just cannot do. I don't see him every being able to beat his man on the outside for a cross, nor being able to actually cross. This is a massive issue.

He isn't completely useless, but we need a lot more in the first team.

Right winger is going up the list of importance for signings this summer. Possibly second place to striker at this point.
 
El Jefe said:
Another thing I've noticed is he can't get any power on his shots or crosses. Apart from a couple of his goals most of his shots are so easily saved. Its bad enough that its already predictable that he's aiming for the far corner.

To me its no surprise he hasn't scored again in the league since his introduction of 3 in 3. The City goal was a worldie but the goals he scored vs Arsenal and Everton were due to teams not knowing much about him at the time. He's been in the same situation since then but the goalies know where he's aiming for now and know exactly where to dive.

This is also the case with his crossing. If by a miracle he can manage to get good height on it, it will be a loopy and slow cross that is easily intercepted or caught by the keeper.

There are a number of kneejerk threads and posts after yesterday, understably so but this one absolutely isn't, Antony is a waste of money.
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I have said this a long time ago. He loses all his balance cutting in and hence his shots are either weak or well wide because of his wrong body shape. The funniest thing is that he always thinks he nearly scores.
 
Real Name said:
Whole video is about the 1st goal or I'm missing something?
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Mainly on the first half. I think it indicates that despite us having the better chances in the first half, we were vulnerable as Liverpool got into dangerous positions time and time again in the first half without creating too much. Antony was part of the that problem, as indicated in the video. There were other problems and I think it's probably down to ETH tactically more than anything else.

We've seen Shaw be left 2 vs 1 on a number of occasions in previous games where Rashford clearly isn't tracking back and perhaps the instruction was for Antony to stay high, which Fred covering, even when Robertson is bombing forward. It clearly didn't work but I wonder if it was more by instruction than Antony being lazy.
 
MOTD absolutely laid into Antony last night, but I can t help but feel he was specifically asked to stay high up the pitch to offer counter attacking options on the right. If he’s been told to track back though, to help keep an eye on Robertson, then it’s a disgraceful performance, and I’d expect him to be dropped for bigger games in the future. But yeah, maybe it was part of the plan and simply didn’t work.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
A solid winger who plays more as a wide playmaker.
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A wide playmaker - see David Silva for the prototype - would be excellent but Antony doesn't actually do a lot of playmaking... it's not like he's a sharp, incisive passer of the ball. He's okay at holding up the ball, keeping it in tight spaces, and his defensive effort is fine. It's just all a bit underwhelming so far.
 
NicolaSacco said:
MOTD absolutely laid into Antony last night, but I can t help but feel he was specifically asked to stay high up the pitch to offer counter attacking options on the right. If he’s been told to track back though, to help keep an eye on Robertson, then it’s a disgraceful performance, and I’d expect him to be dropped for bigger games in the future. But yeah, maybe it was part of the plan and simply didn’t work.
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That's my suspicion. Mentioned in the post above that we've done that with Rashford a few times this season, where Shaw has been left isolated against winger and full back at times. With Bruno on the left it looked to me like Antony is the one who will be provided that freedom.
 
That incident when he was actually on the left, on his left foot and Rashford made a perfect run, and he still didn’t pass to him in time, was very frustrating.

He needs to be given time and there is potential there but the fact he can’t cross at all on his left foot and can’t really kick the ball at all with his right is not ideal for our starting RW. He and Weghorst stood out in the first half as not being good enough.
 
NicolaSacco said:
MOTD absolutely laid into Antony last night, but I can t help but feel he was specifically asked to stay high up the pitch to offer counter attacking options on the right. If he’s been told to track back though, to help keep an eye on Robertson, then it’s a disgraceful performance, and I’d expect him to be dropped for bigger games in the future. But yeah, maybe it was part of the plan and simply didn’t work.
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I'm not a fan of Antony but this is true. Given how he has tracked back in previous games, I think he's specifically asked to stay high up the pitch to exploit Liverpool's attacking fullbacks. However it doesn't change the fact that he offered nothing in counter attacks and was one of the main reasons why the plan didn't work.
 
I think some of the criticism he gets on here is over the top sometimes, but my god his position and lack of effort at points yesterday was atrocious. He normally runs his bollocks off, so wtf was that?
 
Anyone noticed how his "pass power bar" is broken? When he tries to pass longer ball (to Rashford from the left wing in that counter) or cross, that pass doesn't have any power in it. And it is with his stronger (and only:wenger:) foot.
 
hmchan said:
I'm not a fan of Antony but this is true. Given how he has tracked back in previous games, I think he's specifically asked to stay high up the pitch to exploit Liverpool's attacking fullbacks. However it doesn't change the fact that he offered nothing in counter attacks and was one of the main reasons why the plan didn't work.
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When you’re getting beat up like that though then sometimes as a player you have to make a decision yourself and help your team mates out.
 
Danny said:
When you’re getting beat up like that though then sometimes as a player you have to make a decision yourself and help your team mates out.
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If he was instructed to do it then I'd prefer he sticks to that. One of ETH's main complaints yesterday was that players didn't stick to the plan. If ETH wants to change things he can give those instructions himself.
 
sullydnl said:
If he was instructed to do it then I'd prefer he sticks to that. One of ETH's main complaints yesterday was that players didn't stick to the plan. If ETH wants to change things he can give those instructions himself.
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Alexander-Arnold and Robertson, though, are arguably the two most threatening full backs of allowed time on the ball and acres of space to run in to; are we confident that the manager didn’t want Anthony (or Fernandes) to track back more? I’d find that astonishing really- especially when 2/3 nill.
 
I like him and think his potential is massive if he can work on his right foot and crossing. I don’t think he is a 90million euro player though. Probably closer to 40/50 if you consider his potential and age in the current market. Because of the money paid, he has to work, his sell on value will decrease and he won’t get the wages he’ll get here anywhere else. It’s just a signing that HAS to work. Similar to sancho really. We got them for a while on big money and reputations.
 
Skills said:
A bit harsh, but he wouldn't standout in anyway shape or form.
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Well this is him up against a League one side and he still struggles to get pass his full back. Funny thing is this is actually one of his better games but just proves how ineffective he is from a dribbling and creativity point of view. Two extremely important areas for wingers might I add.

 
Danny said:
Alexander-Arnold and Robertson, though, are arguably the two most threatening full backs of allowed time on the ball and acres of space to run in to; are we confident that the manager didn’t want Anthony (or Fernandes) to track back more? I’d find that astonishing really- especially when 2/3 nill.
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It's not unusual for teams to keep wingers high up the pitch to pin back opponent's fullbacks. If Antony could create some troubles down the flank, Robertson had to be aware of him and wouldn't have so much joy getting forward. But of course with the way Antony played, Robertson felt no threat at all.

I initially thought ten Hag would address this issue at halftime (given how well he usually manages the game) but he didn't. The 2nd and 3rd goal came too quick and we just didn't respond.
 
This might be weird but do we have a list of wide players (him, garnacho, Sancho) who are better as subs coming on Vs starting?
 
i found it very strange that Antony was not subbed early. I think Sancho could have done a good job, being far better at the ball, and the ability to go past his man. The energy level from Antony means nothing when he runs around like a headless chicken
 
Sylar said:
This might be weird but do we have a list of wide players (him, garnacho, Sancho) who are better as subs coming on Vs starting?
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It's not about coming on as a sub or starting. It's about how the opposition set up to play. They all can't take on opponents in tight spaces and they can only perform when the game is opened up, usually when the opposition is desperate for a goal and exposes more spaces.
 
Lecland07 said:
Yeah, I'm not seeing it all. It isn't like he is just inconsistent, there are things he just cannot do. I don't see him every being able to beat his man on the outside for a cross, nor being able to actually cross. This is a massive issue.

He isn't completely useless, but we need a lot more in the first team.

Right winger is going up the list of importance for signings this summer. Possibly second place to striker at this point.
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Yes, I agree. The Greenwood situation killed us.
Are there any good value right wing options on the market this summer? Amad could still need time and I don’t think Pellistri will make it at the highest level.
 
I honestly don't think we could afford another right wing gamble. We've spent 150 million on that position in the last 2 years.

We have other positions to sort out.

It is what it is. We'll have to wait and hope that either Antony or Sancho can fulfill their talent.
 
Antony so far has not justify his price tag and XI status. He has very little impact is most games except scoring an odd goal here or there. I hope we have another Garnacho type player on the right. Garnacho is far more dangerous than Antony will ever be.
 
Might as well experiment with Garnacho on the right. He's still young enough to learn and mold into the role. Question remains on his tracking back, though.
 
Sarni said:
He's been miles better than Sancho though still nowhere near good enough. He was the wrong signing.
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Seen this mentioned a few times but don't think this is the case at all. If you look at the stats it really doesn't show that at all, both have fairly similar stats. Sancho better in terms of chance creation and Antony better in terms of getting shots away and general defensive actions but aside from that I think it's difficult to argue either one has been miles ahead of the other this season.
 
saivet said:
Seen this mentioned a few times but don't think this is the case at all. If you look at the stats it really doesn't show that at all, both have fairly similar stats. Sancho better in terms of chance creation and Antony better in terms of getting shots away and general defensive actions but aside from that I think it's difficult to argue either one has been miles ahead of the other this season.
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I mean Antony wins just by being available. He also works much harder for the team than Sancho imo.
 
I'm not giving up on him but it's frustrating that neither him or Sancho (160 million pounds worth of talent) can claim that RW role for their own with some sustained, consistent form. It's infuriating when you think of the money spent and it's still a problem position.
 
spiriticon said:
I honestly don't think we could afford another right wing gamble. We've spent 150 million on that position in the last 2 years.

We have other positions to sort out.

It is what it is. We'll have to wait and hope that either Antony or Sancho can fulfill their talent.
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Once Sheikh Jassim comes in we will absolutely be signing another RW if neither Antony nor Sancho step up soon. The Qataris aren’t paying 6bn to watch losers, they’ll quickly identify weaknesses in the team and find and fund replacements whether ETH likes it or not. Just look at PSG, messi, neymar and Mbappe, no messing around.
 
Struggle to see how much worse Pellistri could be. He has absolutely no business starting for us at the moment. I find him ultra one-dimensional and so predictable.

If Ten Hag has made one mistake them it has been to sign Antony. I hope in time I'm proved wrong and this post will come back to haunt me but I feel I've watched enough of him now and I really just don't see it.
 
redNATION said:
Once Sheikh Jassim comes in we will absolutely be signing another RW if neither Antony nor Sancho step up soon. The Qataris aren’t paying 6bn to watch losers, they’ll quickly identify weaknesses in the team and find and fund replacements whether ETH likes it or not. Just look at PSG, messi, neymar and Mbappe, no messing around.
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Not all of us want that to happen and there is no indication they are willing to pay that much anyway

Also psg are a dumpster fire
 
How much different would it be if Dalot played RW?

A handful of top class strikes from Antony is what seperates them. Aside from that I really don't think we'd see much of a difference.
 
I had no idea players that are able to progress the ball from point A to point B over 30 meters were worth almost 100 million.
How much would Ronaldinho cost in this day and age? A billion?
 
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