Modern day fans are so damn impatient and make quick conclusions. This thread is a prime example.
It's one thing to say he's been undwerwhelming or should do better but to hurry up calling him a flop and wonder when he'll be sold is madness.
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It's one thing to say he's been undwerwhelming or should do better but to hurry up calling him a flop and wonder when he'll be sold is madness.
thats my fear. I'm not seeing the initial talent level to work with and progress. Like nothing stands out as above average to me and its hard to become a top player from a mediocre baseline of skillsets as you'd have to vastly improve at everything which most players do not. hopefully he is just nervous and this is not his baseline at this age. If he can maybe work on his movement and runs into the box he can become a finisher and be like Ljunberg maybe?
Fingers crossed
In hindsight, and the know how annoying hindsight is, I’d have preferred us to sign Richarlison rather than Antony - proven prem pedigree and could fill in as a striker as well.
Hasn’t scored a goal in the league in 8 months though.
Classless player, embarrassment to himself and his club.
Would've preferred Kulusevski over both, same age as Antony, would've been perfect for us at RW, Spurs got him for 50m.
Yeah don't think he will last too long at United, can see us looking for a replacement in the next year or so.
Its so annoying cause that RW position been a problem position for such a long time for us now.
Its so annoying cause that RW position been a problem position for such a long time for us now.
I rather suspect that ETH is happier with Antony thus far than a lot of people here are.
Not least because I think he places a lot more value in Antony acting as an outball who holds possession under pressure and allows the team to move up the pitch than posters here do.
Antony's main problem so far has simply been his lack of creativity. On a really basic level he just isn't passing or crossing the ball into the box anywhere near as much as he did at Ajax. If whatever the issue there is gets resolved he'll be fine.
Not least because I think he places a lot more value in Antony acting as an outball who holds possession under pressure and allows the team to move up the pitch than posters here do.
Antony's main problem so far has simply been his lack of creativity. On a really basic level he just isn't passing or crossing the ball into the box anywhere near as much as he did at Ajax. If whatever the issue there is gets resolved he'll be fine.
For throwing the flare?
dont rate Richarlison at all. I think Brazil have 1 tier 5 STAR attacker. The rest are 3-3.5 tops
Yes, I've been thinking along these lines myself.
This is a player ETH knows very well. The part in bold above makes sense to me.
Not saying its appropriate for Antony but sometimes the evidence is all there to make quick conclusions and this is something the 'give him time' people never factor. I've seen pleas for Elanga and Mctominay to be given time but all the time does is lead to extra disappointment.
Labelling Antony a flop would be wrong, I do agree with that however saying he's looking like a potential flop is not. There are some warning signs with Antony flashing extremely bright at the moment but he seems like a hardworker and a fighter so there is still hope he could turn it around.
What you’re saying he brings to the team makes sense in games against the likes of City or Arsenal, where possession (for us) is at a premium, and we need players who can keep hold of the ball and move it up the pitch under pressure.
But most games won’t be against teams as good as that, and in matches where we see a lot of the ball, his creative limitations become all too apparent. It was painfully obvious against Palace. Our inability to score enough goals when we’re on top, especially when Rashford is having an off day, has been our major problem this season.
That’s why I’d start Garnacho against weaker teams. He’s far more likely to create something.
I hear you. He does deserve our patience.
‘However, it is a bit troubling that he is so one-footed. When you’ve got one direction you can go, it takes special athleticism to get to your spots. In his appearances so far, I can’t see that he has it. He’s quick but not crazy quick, he’s fast but not Rashford fast. He’s not particularly strong either.
I think both Garnacho and even an out of form Sancho are better than him as it stands now.
Yes, but ETH right now has to balance the need for picking up points against the need for establishing/implementing a system (which is absolutely crucial, and ultimately more important than picking up points here and now).
Your take is fair as such - but these are early days. If a player like Antony doesn't offer anything beyond keeping possession (or performing some other basic function) in the long term - then he needs to be replaced as a starter for us, certainly.
For now, it's probably best to keep in mind that the team is very much a work in progress. As suggested above, it's not unreasonable to think that ETH is more pleased with Antony than we are (as fans, seeing him as a bit bland/non-creative lately).
Would like to see the play before that bit as I recall he had done well to get to that point but yeah it does look like an obvious pass was to Bruno in the first instance. However, Bruno coming towards Antony and sort of giving up when he did get the pass is not exactly great from him too.
Both players struggling in different aspects of their game not gelling is no surprise.
Thank you for being able to notice this, I thought I was going insane with nobody understanding this. Everyone goes on about us losing control and being put under pressure when Weghorst came off but it was even more obvious that Antony being replaced by Bruno on the wing contributed to that, which happened at the same time. Apart from a few moments, Weghorst was hardly involved as an out ball.
People are so blinded by the fact that he’s not rushing down the touchline every time he receives the ball that they can’t see the value in someone who can receive the ball, hold it for four-five seconds without being dispossessed and thus bringing the entire team up and relieving pressure. Contrast this to having mr fancy flicks and Hollywood balls out there and it’s no coincidence that we were put under pressure after Antony came off.
Would I like him to drive at his full-back every now and then? Yes, obviously. Does him not doing that mean that he contributes nothing to the team? Absolutely not.
I'm not getting involved with criticizing Antony, as he's young and new to the league. But in a general sense, I am not sure what you are saying is always a positive. While him holding possession for a few seconds allows the rest of the team to catch up, it also allows the defense to catch up and set up. Is it not better, at least at times, to try and take advantage of the break, and try to set up an attacking move before their defense has a chance to set up?
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
At times over the years at City Guardiola has spoken about them attacking too quickly and turning the game into a back and forth rather than being slower and moving the game into the opposition's half. And I think ETH was referring to the same thing when he twice spoke about us needing to play football rather than tennis this season, complaining about the game going from one end to another, saying we wasted energy and needed to be smarter about knowing when to speed up to go for a goal.
Makes sense, I traditionally think of United as a counter attacking team, but, you are correct, if we are moving to being more of a possesion style team, then it makes sense. Cheers.
Far too early to write him off. Give him a pre season with the squad and hopefully he kicks on next year.
He's going to improve, he's nowhere near there but has shown good finishing. I expect with sancho coming back he will have a lot of competition soon and will need to improve to be in first team.
Why do we always going looking for a ball (player) to kick. Folk on here Mahrez this or that ,we didnt buy him end of, yesterdays newspaper todays fish & chip paper and he is 31. Looks at the stats, Anthony is new new to league. There isn't a pile of difference other than a slight xg mahrez is 2.8 Anthony 2.45, and 2 assists for Mahrez who has played in England for 9 years. Give the lad a chance for the sake of sanity. Garnacho cost us nothing in reality left and right for 80 million is a bargain. ETH has actually increased the value of every player since he has arrived here so forget the ££ and back the process.
He’s not set the league alight.. but despite this he’s scored a few important goals (he only scores cracking goals). Our shape is better with him, he is a menace to defend against (in an annoying pest sort of way) and his pressing is good. He needs to be more direct and run at defenders more with the ball. There was a run he did against palace where he took a player on and got right near the penalty box. won us a corner kick.. it was much better and exactly what we need more of. I like him and want him to be a success here .. he has a tenacity about him and passion with it. Don’t write him off just yet!
The fact he took a player on against Palace gives me belief he can do it when required
I wish United fans understood that...if we hadn't bought Antony, the Glazers would have fecked off with that money the same way they're leaving with all the 16m savings from Ronaldo's wages.
..or we would've went for Hag's alternative to Antony.
Thats not how it works. How can people be so financially illiterate in this day and age?
Yes its how it works. Same reason they’re refusing to invest now …
No other top right winger was available. Even chelsea lost Raphina to Barcelona they didn’t buy anyone else because there wasn’t an alternative available
One of the weirdest changes in football has been the shift from the derth of left wingers we used to have, to the sarcity of right wingers now. Of course it's just the same problem of there being so few left footers and two-footed players shifted across the pitch due to the inverted wingers trend, but it sticks out like a sore thumb with how few and how low the overall quality of the right-sided attackers there are, and the premium even semi-decent ones go for on the market.
To be fair this is what people said about Dalot and now he has had a run of games and acclimatised to the league he is looking far better than before (even if I'm not 100% sold).
I am not sure I am watching the same player as some people on here...post after post calling him slow and suggesting he lacks technical ability...I don't get it?
Yeah, Anthony can be frustrating but he's quick, he passes forwards, he can score goals, he holds the ball really well under pressure...I think there's plenty there to work with.
Yeah, Anthony can be frustrating but he's quick, he passes forwards, he can score goals, he holds the ball really well under pressure...I think there's plenty there to work with.
When has he ever gone past his fullback on the outside and put a cross in?
He should be made to train crossing into the box from LW with his right foot. Literally all fecking day long.
Did you fall asleep in 1999 and only just wake up?
I suggest you go and watch the video of that tackle again and maybe look at the pics to see how deep a gash there was on Nani’s leg. You’d probably cringe again.
I know it's a different level of defending and all, but haven't seen Antony try most of this except the cut in and shoot
Hoping it will come with time and confidence, and adjustment to the league (eg second season and maybe a full preseason)
Hoping it will come with time and confidence, and adjustment to the league (eg second season and maybe a full preseason)
Yeah. Absolutely deranged thing to say, @poleglass red
I suggest you go and watch the video of that tackle again and maybe look at the pics to see how deep a gash there was on Nani’s leg. You’d probably cringe again.
Can't imagine what drives you to view it in such a skewed manner. Nani not man enough for you?
I wouldn't start him tomorrow. He's not playing well enough to live with Arsenal.
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