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This isn't entirely true. Nani had a very good first season for young player from the Portuguese league. It was the next 1.5 seasons where he was truly terrible and turned it around in Jan/Feb 2010 against Arsenal. His screamer against Middlesbrough alone showed how much potential he had, not to mention the 4-0 against Arsenal where he did the seal dribble. Even Nani's pointless skill was far better than Antony's
Nani showed potential in that first season that gave some hope he could come good. Antony has shown very little. The biggest blessing for Antony is he's a RW and because there aren't many of them he's tricked his way to a top club. Had he been a LW he'd be at a midtable club.
The likes of Gnonto, Mitoma and Olise all look like much better players and he cost more than all of them combined.
Well let's allow Antony to have a full first season before deciding his first season doesn't compare to Nani's.
But Nani, overall, was shite in his first two or two and a half seasons.
Seems right now we're comparing Antony to the best version of Nani.
Fair enough, he was much worse than in his first season. Still, I'm not sure Antony can reach that level.
I doubt anyone was sure Nani would at that stage.
Watching Mahrez score and make a goal going on the outside on his right foot. He needs that too.
The argument with Bruno is not a great look for Antony…he is your captain show a little respect.
Garnacho took a lot of criticism for his attitude. Antony needs to be careful.
Garnacho took a lot of criticism for his attitude. Antony needs to be careful.
He needs to impose himself more on games. He has less than twenty Premier League games and is young though. The big positive, for me, is how many goals he has contributed. He could hit double figures this season.
He definitely did. I hope he matures quickly because right now he is showing himself to be quite unlikable.
Missed out massively on him when he left Leicester sadly
Yeah I am worried he's never going to add more elements to his game
I hope fans understand one thing about Antony. Without him we'd have 2-3 fewer wins and the owners would have left with an extra 86m as they have also refused to reinvest the money we're saving from Ronaldo salary.
He made the PFA team of the year, led the league in assists and roasted so many RBs and LBs he could have opened a BBQ joint. This was when he was operating as a traditional winger mind you.
He was pretty bad or bang average for a few seasons before and after those two years, but he was truly a great player for 2 seasons. I agree with the frustrating decisions and inconsistent form for those other years, but Antony is far, far worse than Nani was during those two seasons. I don’t care if he scores another 10 goals. The man can’t pass with his right foot and it’s a serious issue in buildup and counter attacks.
It's ingrained in his personality. He will not change. When we were heavily linked with him he went on a strike and refused to show up for training at Ajax. When players do that kind of stuff it's a red flag and an indicator of bad personality and a lack of professionalism.
Hopefully he will improve as a player here though. Something no one here can deny is that he's a hard worker and that is also a trait that helps you win games. I seem to be in the minorty but I think with time he'll become real good.
I worry he either isn't able to improve his right foot and crossing ability or he just has absolutely no desire to do that whatsoever which is concerning
I don't mind that from Antony because iirc 1) he had taken the ball down the line and held onto it really well shielding it from several players pressing him and then looked to square it to Bruno, who then decided to go inside (and make it much more harder pass), where we lost the ball. Bruno then does Bruno and had a go at him. Antony gave it back, which I think is fair and just good overall because Bruno is a whiny cnut. It also shows he's not a meek cnut and has that fire, which we seen plenty of times with his intense pressing and combative nature.
I don't care if he's a likeable character or not (same with Bruno).
That's separate to his ability and form with us though, where yes he has to improve.
People are getting way too far ahead of themselves with regard to Antony. He's going through a slump and is finding his feet and it's pretty apparent that he's had a drop in confidence and nerve, which is seeing him try less things or have the abandon to not care if they don't come off. He's become predictable because he isn't attempting much and surely people can see these things are linked?
The most telling thing with his game for me is he desperately, desperately needs a full-on overlapping fullback otherwise he will always struggle because his game is reliant on both the distraction and space said fullback provides to allow him pockets of space he simply doesn't get to operate in as conventional wing attacker. I would expect to see a solid correlation between his best career games and [very] good fullback performance i.e. his best actions/moments/clips will almost always have his fullback in frame dragging men with him and providing Antony with his moments to shine.
We as a club are lacking in 1:1 wide men, actually. Of that ilk, there's only Garnacho who can roast his man:
- from a standing start
- without support
- on the inside and outside channels
- with zero need for a chain reaction to initiate his own action (proactive instead of reactive).
The others need - or better to say - are optimised by a catalyst within the team construct. Sancho is combination playing maestro; Rashford wants space on the break; Antony is reliant on his fullbacks overlapping and so on and so forth.
I think a problem that has arisen in the general assessment of Antony is the expectation he can be that Garnacho-like maverick taking on all-comers independent of the team or optimal scenarios and that just isn't the player he is - the first thing he does when he gets the ball is look around at where his fullback is and what his options then are - with a winger like Garnacho, you can see that there is no pause to assess what has to happen at points A, B and C for him to come alive; he's all A and after he's worked his man, he'll see what the best option is from the fallout. We're most likely never going to see that from Antony as it's not his game in skilset or mindset.
I don't understand the mentality of the premature write off that is permeating the forum of late; some players and styles take longer or require more prerequisites than others. Unless a player is given their optimal conditions to thrive, should they just be written off? If we had done that in the past, many a player who went on to be legends here wouldn't have ever got the chance to display their true wares.
Anyway, playing time is going to be far from a given for Antony once Sancho returns.
The most telling thing with his game for me is he desperately, desperately needs a full-on overlapping fullback otherwise he will always struggle because his game is reliant on both the distraction and space said fullback provides to allow him pockets of space he simply doesn't get to operate in as conventional wing attacker. I would expect to see a solid correlation between his best career games and [very] good fullback performance i.e. his best actions/moments/clips will almost always have his fullback in frame dragging men with him and providing Antony with his moments to shine.
We as a club are lacking in 1:1 wide men, actually. Of that ilk, there's only Garnacho who can roast his man:
- from a standing start
- without support
- on the inside and outside channels
- with zero need for a chain reaction to initiate his own action (proactive instead of reactive).
The others need - or better to say - are optimised by a catalyst within the team construct. Sancho is combination playing maestro; Rashford wants space on the break; Antony is reliant on his fullbacks overlapping and so on and so forth.
I think a problem that has arisen in the general assessment of Antony is the expectation he can be that Garnacho-like maverick taking on all-comers independent of the team or optimal scenarios and that just isn't the player he is - the first thing he does when he gets the ball is look around at where his fullback is and what his options then are - with a winger like Garnacho, you can see that there is no pause to assess what has to happen at points A, B and C for him to come alive; he's all A and after he's worked his man, he'll see what the best option is from the fallout. We're most likely never going to see that from Antony as it's not his game in skilset or mindset.
I don't understand the mentality of the premature write off that is permeating the forum of late; some players and styles take longer or require more prerequisites than others. Unless a player is given their optimal conditions to thrive, should they just be written off? If we had done that in the past, many a player who went on to be legends here wouldn't have ever got the chance to display their true wares.
Anyway, playing time is going to be far from a given for Antony once Sancho returns.
The only reason some people thinks antony is decent is because of the ridiculous 86m fee. If he would be an academy player i am pretty sure 99% would prefer garnacho. When garnacho has the ball you have this feeling something is gonna happen. When antony has the ball you just know he gonna run 3 meters forward and pass back or loss the ball. The goals he scored are irrelevant, he makes your team poorer, like ronaldo
I suspect you haven't really been watching our games if you think he makes us poorer like Ronaldo. He's our best option on the right side.
Also, since when are goals from a winger irrelevant?
Joga Bolasie is pretty funny to be fair. And where are all the "captain material" experts who were tearing Maguire apart when Rashford told him to feck off?
Tend to agree, not sure why so many are quick to write off a lad who's basically been fine and is still finding his feet in European football, let alone English football.
First off, its not like he's been 'bad'. Frustrating yes, but there have been plenty of good moments. He's also raw and will need plenty of one on one coaching, but I feel he has all the attributes.
We're in a good spot at the moment whereby we have plenty of options in the wide forward positions. There's no reason to panic or make snap judgements
If the kid was brought for 40m, then there would be no discussion. But 90 fecking million is borderline insanity!
I think it was because he did his usual thing of holding onto the ball for too long.
He really needs to let himself go, he's way too hesitant. I actually think his frustration was with himself.
my english is not fluent, i gave ronaldo as an example that cold stats are not everything, of course Antonyis not as bad as ronaldo was. Very average player and very weird signing. I find it surprising how man utd, one of the biggest and richest clubs in the world, never find gems for reasonable prices before their big move and signing dross like maguire, fred, antony, wan bissaka etc etc etc for inflated prices too.
this is fair
There still would be. The issue is ability, but that discussion would probably be held off for a season or 2. Ultimately the question is whether he's good enough or not - and it doesn't look like it.
Sorry don't fully buy the 'fullback's need to give him more support'. Dalot and recently AWB have giving him enough of a outlet, as have other players like Bruno and Eriksen when they've occasionally gone wide.
Similar to Rashford and Maguire a year back, that's not great behaviour from Antony, especially towards your captain. Fairplay to Bruno for holding some restraint
Similar to Rashford and Maguire a year back, that's not great behaviour from Antony, especially towards your captain. Fairplay to Bruno for holding some restraint
People keep throwing the words talented and potential around, but I want to know what kind of player do you think he'll develop into with the skillset you have seen so far?
Is he going to be a great goal scoring wide forward like a Salah? An amazing ball carrier who can also create like Di Maria? Like tell me what type of player are we looking forward to him developing into because at the moment, I see nothing outstanding to work with.
Is he going to be a great goal scoring wide forward like a Salah? An amazing ball carrier who can also create like Di Maria? Like tell me what type of player are we looking forward to him developing into because at the moment, I see nothing outstanding to work with.
No danger of him going on the inside I would imagine.
the money is spent and not from your personal account. Let's face it, all transfer amounts are completely ridiculous by any normal human's standard. Be it 100, 10 or even 1 million.
I feel it's unfair and not helping Antony taking it against him.
was another game where the other teams right winger looked a bettter player, will obviously be the case in the next game too
He’s obviously got the potential to be very effective on the wing but he just needs to calm down.
Weird signing? Ten Hag signed him for Ajax and then signed him for Man Utd. It wasn't weird at all. I still don't understand why people are rushing to declare him a flop, as if they've seen enough in the 20 or so games he's played for us so far. Why don't we just wait to see how things go before resorting to spreading negativity about our new players.
This comment is only valid if you have infinite funds. Since we don't, we have right to question the club decision to spend this massive amount of money for Antony. It's hardly a surprise he's performing on that level.
Remember when we were worried he'd feck off to Real Madrid after a few years? Good times.
Nani certainly had it in him - for me, he was the key player in our 2010-11 title triumph. His ability to use both feet was a wonder to watch. But yes he was maddeningly inconsistent.
The thing I'm holding on to with Antony is that the fact that my Brazilian students almost universally rate him and I thought he looked very good against Croatia in the World Cup. That being said, he's been very underwhelming since the WC. Still, it's early days....
Ah, my favorite line of thought. Well, I guess the Glazers are pretty damn good owners then. They allowed the club to spend a lot of it's own money in an incompetent manner, but other than that no issues. Sure, they've taken 1 billion out of the club, but it's not my personal account, so it's all good. Who cares if the club is worse off for it, it's not my money. We should keep them as owners in fact.
Maybe we should also review past transfers as well. Sanchez, Pogba, Maguire, all good. I personally didn't pay anything for them.
I'd seriously take a straight swap for Raphinha.
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