1/10 - worst player on the pitch tonight.
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Yeah, that's the thing out of form he really offers little and more so atm when I don't think he's working as hard as he could, not as hard as Young anyway. For me if Valencia plays you need the other player to bring something different to the table in a way that Nani or Kagawa would. Young can be a threat coming inside but he doesn't do it enough and going down the line he needs Evra to create the space for him.
Unfortunately true. Yet another winger who looks more threatening on the right...
It's no longer a bad day at the office, he's become a severely sub-standard player this season. I don't know what's happened but he's worse than atrocious.
This. He at least put in some decent (not great) crosses. Val atm I just can't put in an even half decent cross. (I'm not even expecting him to do sth unpredictable, like cutting in and having a go, no. I'd just like him to be at least average at his normal, predictable thing he does. But he isnt)
There is absolutely no point of playing Valencia at the moment. He's the worst winger we have on the right wing right now. I can see him getting the next few games though.
To have as much of the ball as Valencia always seems to have, but only create 1 chance... I'm not even sure theres a word for that.
I'm sure he'll come good eventually but for the moment it's worrying to see such a key player like him out of form. He may not be the most diverse, but when he's in form he's pretty damn good at what he does.
I agree that it's generally best to have someone different on the other wing. It's why I've generally liked the Nani/Valencia partnerships. Both may play out wide, but they offer so much different to each other.
In games like this we need someone to step up and Valencia just doesn't have that in his locker. The safe option can be so infuriating at times, and the less said about his crossing today the better
This is not only true it was incredibly painful because at the time Young was doing this Sir Alex had taken off our most instinctive finisher and most dangerous aerial attacking threat: Javier Hernandez.
Valencia was playing so badly he should've come off at half time. For a player with his pace and power to repeatedly not even try to beat Garrido, a full back so bad that he can't even challenge the positionally clueless Richards to be Zabaleta's back up, is ridiculous. The few crosses he did get into the box were so long and so aimless that it was virtually like inviting Norwich to counter down our left flank.
His performances lately have been cak but he has managed to gloss over that by managing somehow to follow up a flurry of awful crosses with one that led to a goal. Today that didn't happen and he got exposed.
I like Tony V but hes obviously going through confidence issues. Although hes always been predictable in that he just uses his right foot, it was always hard to stop him.
Recently however his play has been baffling. Get the ball, then cut in, try and cut back out on his right foot, then stop, slow everything down until the defenders get back and its 2 on 1 then try and cross it which either floats into the keepers hand or hits the defender and bounces out.
Recently however his play has been baffling. Get the ball, then cut in, try and cut back out on his right foot, then stop, slow everything down until the defenders get back and its 2 on 1 then try and cross it which either floats into the keepers hand or hits the defender and bounces out.
Yeah and the thing with Nani is that he's the only player we have that right or left will come inside and either link up, just beat a man and create some space or will make a diagonal run across. I think we need that diversity because otherwise we limit ourselves like today because we got nothing from out wide and because both stuck to their wings we get nothing centrally as there's no one making space for RVP or giving him a quick give and go option.
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It's funny when you think of the number of times he tries to cross the ball through the LB.Is he blind or something ?
Has lost it this season for some reason. There were occasions today where he could have crossed the ball or pass it Rafael on the run but instead he chose to cut inside and pass it back to Carrick. There were numerous of these WTF moments in the game today. Also, his pondering on the ball while waiting for the opposition to organize their defense is getting annoying. The Zombie style hasn't helped his game either. Passing him the ball in static position while he is being double teamed is hardly helping the guy.
This season has been the worse I have seen him play for United. May be he needs a rest, I don't know but there is something seriously wrong.
This season has been the worse I have seen him play for United. May be he needs a rest, I don't know but there is something seriously wrong.
The fact that everything has to be done on his right foot and he'll pass up better options because he'd have to use his left to do it, is the worse thing about him. What's most infuriating about this is that in one of our earlier games this season he used his left to make passes and they were fine; he didn't under hit them and they found their target. There's nothing wrong with his left and why he makes things more difficult for himself just to use his better foot is baffling.
I love it when he's able to drill a ball into a players feet, who might go onto score or at least do something, but more often this season it's been Valencia just smashing the ball as hard as he can at no-one in particular.
I wonder if there's something going on with him off the field, he just looks like all that confidence is gone, you'd think he'd just come back from a bad injury or something, he slows down all our attacks these days where as despite being very basic his power and speed used to light up our counters.
I doubt it. People are acting as if this has never, ever happened before. It's not the first time he's had a run of games where he's just not at it and isn't playing well. While he is a consistent winger, it's not as if he's gone his whole career with no out of form spells.
This from the ratings thread sums him up perfectly recently
Its so frustrating to watch, especially when our strikers are making runs assuming he'll cross it, he doesnt, and everyone just ends up standing around waiting to see what he's going to do.
Its so frustrating to watch, especially when our strikers are making runs assuming he'll cross it, he doesnt, and everyone just ends up standing around waiting to see what he's going to do.
I've never seen him as bad as this for us, he seems to have forgotten how to take on a fullback and constantly resorts to playing it safe, often coming back down the pitch to do so.
He definitely needs to be rotated again. Unfortunately we didn't have that luxury today. The opposition have got him all figured out and they just double mark him into submission. You can see it's affected his game because he's taking the infuriatingly safe option or crossing to nowhere.
Young or Nani should get their opportunity there until he regains his pace, power and penetration.
Young or Nani should get their opportunity there until he regains his pace, power and penetration.
But we could have rotated him that's the point. We could easily have gone for the diamond or a 433 that didn't need Valencia. We've got a meaningless game in the cl, so clev and ando could both easily have played.
It's ok that he can't beat his man and put a decent ball in but it's so fecking frustrating to have him dwell on the ball for ages while there are other options available. He needs to release the ball much quicker than he has been doing over the past couple of games as it's slowing our attacks down and allowing the opposition to re-group and get into position. I'd also like him to try come inside the full back (careful now 
) if he needs to mix it up a bit. But dwelling on the ball for absolute ages is killing the speed of our attacks. It's like when Nani or Ronaldo would be one on one with the full back and then do loads of tricks before ballsing up a decent ball into the box. Release the ball already!
Young put in a much better performance on the right. Just made a yard and then put it in and was more direct and quicker in releasing the ball.
) if he needs to mix it up a bit. But dwelling on the ball for absolute ages is killing the speed of our attacks. It's like when Nani or Ronaldo would be one on one with the full back and then do loads of tricks before ballsing up a decent ball into the box. Release the ball already!Young put in a much better performance on the right. Just made a yard and then put it in and was more direct and quicker in releasing the ball.
Remember when they were all in form at the same time for a brief period last year? Young, Nani and Tony? I blissfully rattled off posts proclaiming us to have the best wing options in the world. IN THE WORLD! They were happy days.
I don't understand how some of you lot claim we have the best wingers in the league.
He's our No.7 too.
Robson, Cantona, Becks, Ronaldo, Valencia.
Anyone who does not see the graph taking a huge plunge downwards is fecking kidding themselves.
He's our No.7 too.
Robson, Cantona, Becks, Ronaldo, Valencia.
Anyone who does not see the graph taking a huge plunge downwards is fecking kidding themselves.
Our biggest rivals don't play with wingers, the rest of the league is not on a par with us. Only Spurs have comparable wingers.
Now, if you include players who frequently start games in a wide position, then we're behind our rivals. Hazard, Mata, Nasri, Silva, even Agüero - but they can't be called wingers.
I really don't know what's going on with him at the moment, but he's extremely frustrating. I don't know if it's a confidence issue but he's just not taking his man on or whipping in his usual standard of cross.
The ball is played out to him and he runs at the fullback and then just kind of stops, shimmies a little and passes it back to Rafael, or smashes it into the fullback or over the goal.
I've probably been one of his biggest fans since even before he joined us, but this run of poor form is driving me insane, especially when the rest of the team seem to have been given one single instruction; 'get the ball to Valencia'.
The ball is played out to him and he runs at the fullback and then just kind of stops, shimmies a little and passes it back to Rafael, or smashes it into the fullback or over the goal.
I've probably been one of his biggest fans since even before he joined us, but this run of poor form is driving me insane, especially when the rest of the team seem to have been given one single instruction; 'get the ball to Valencia'.
I just cannot fathom why he's coming inside so often now.
He was on a pretty shite run of form at the start of last season before he went into beast mode around december. Only difference was he was injured for a bit as well last season. Let's hope he comes back to his best soon, because it would improve us so much.
I only saw the first half, but he was atrocious. It boggles the mind that a player with as much pace as Valencia spends as much time standing still with the ball (something that makes his lack of a left foot all the more glaring.)
I know he's shown great form in the past, but how much longer can we endure this current barren spell? At least Young is capable of the occasional long-range effort. Valencia offers nothing of the sort, and in fact, in this form, offers almost nothing at all.
Given how bad Young and Valencia are playing, I can't see how we can afford to offload Nani. He's been pretty bad himself, but at least he can play both sides, uses both feet, and if nothing else, gives us another option (all 3 of our wingers can't suck all season, can they?)
I know he's shown great form in the past, but how much longer can we endure this current barren spell? At least Young is capable of the occasional long-range effort. Valencia offers nothing of the sort, and in fact, in this form, offers almost nothing at all.
Given how bad Young and Valencia are playing, I can't see how we can afford to offload Nani. He's been pretty bad himself, but at least he can play both sides, uses both feet, and if nothing else, gives us another option (all 3 of our wingers can't suck all season, can they?)
We have the best true wingers in the league, it's not even debativwbae.
I'm starting to think him and Rafael don't work well together.
I always found it frustrating how Young needs to play off Evra for us to actually get any width on the left. Now Valencia seems to have forgotten how to go solo, and tries and fails miserably to link up well with Rafael, which is why Young actually looked better on the right: he can play off a fullback.
We should go back to the diamond, our fullbacks are currently doing a better job of providing width than any of our wingers.
I always found it frustrating how Young needs to play off Evra for us to actually get any width on the left. Now Valencia seems to have forgotten how to go solo, and tries and fails miserably to link up well with Rafael, which is why Young actually looked better on the right: he can play off a fullback.
We should go back to the diamond, our fullbacks are currently doing a better job of providing width than any of our wingers.
It must have been sarcastic.
I dunno, I think without rafael Valencia would look even worse, at the moment Valencia is probably even more reliant on rafael than young is on evra which is saying something.
Valencia has had a terrible season so far.
Where is Nani?
injured
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