Antonio Valencia... | Will wear #25 shirt from this point onwards by request
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Yes! That magic that saw us crash out of the Carling Cup, bring it.
We need some sort of amnesty on winger comparisons. I've noticed that a lot of Nani's supporters are spending quite a bit of their time going on about how shit our wingers are otherwise. The obvious inference being that Nani could do better. The matchday forum had plenty of it today. As does the Ashley Young thread.
Pretty needless, IMO.
Pretty needless, IMO.
Ever since I read around here that Valencia doesn't use his left foot, I pay attention whenever I see him play. In about a dozen or more games, I've seen him touch the ball with the left foot about 3 or 4 times, including receptions.
Plenty of players abuse the outside of the foot, but Valencia seems to avoid his left like the plague. It's quite funny. I've never seen anyone like that.
He's bionic. The best athlete at the club, even if there are better footballers. Doesn't need rests and plays the full 90 in overdrive. He and Rafael are great together down the right.
On the other hand, as soon as I am critical of Valencia when he plays poor, which he very much did today, people like Randall instantly jump on that and start claiming I'm only saying that because I like Nani. Which is nonsense, because I always praise Valencia when he plays well. I was one of the first people in this thread saying he was our best player against Braga.
It works in both ways.
Valencia was better today, but was still way way off where he should be. He isn't harassing fullbacks enough and is trying to be safe and playing the ball back or failing to get a cross in.
It's weird that all are wingers are playing shit. Playing strikers on the wing instead just isn't working either.
When we played with no wingers we were getting better results from the wing and crosses.
What's the issue? Too predictable when we play with wingers? Purely unlucky they're off form?
It's weird that all are wingers are playing shit. Playing strikers on the wing instead just isn't working either.
When we played with no wingers we were getting better results from the wing and crosses.
What's the issue? Too predictable when we play with wingers? Purely unlucky they're off form?
I find this quite pedantic really. Who in here is saying we should "only" be going 4-3-3? It's more of a reactionary response and seeing how we fared in some games with this setup, it definitely has its positives. Going 4-3-3 shouldn't be such a daunting thought. It's simply an option. Why not use it? Yet, some in here have difficulty accepting this notion.
Going wingerless will help us in certain games and others not. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. The problem is figuring out when or as we saw yesterday, what to do when our wingers are being shit. We should have another option other than keep feeding the ineffective and somehow expect it to magically to work. We have too many options to get become so stubborn. I would say the frustration comes out of the fact that we are a bit slow to change our shape when it's necessary or simply start a more effective lineup. Obviously, SAF will get it wrong sometimes but I'm glad we put things right.
Aye. I find the comparisons are becoming increasingly more petty. Bringing up points which aren't even relevant to the current discussion or stating isolated events as some sort of justification. Personally, I find it annoying because it's an excellent derailer to these type of threads.
still struggling to find his form. did better in the second half to be fair but still don't know what to do apart for pushing the ball five yards ahead and then try to kick the ball as hard as possible into the penalty box.
Real struggle for him atm, thought he was extremely poor, and to make things worse, his defensive work was a bit slack at times.
Good thing for him, Nani is out injured atm, so he'll keep playing, and hopefully get back into form sooner rather than later.
Good thing for him, Nani is out injured atm, so he'll keep playing, and hopefully get back into form sooner rather than later.
This is where he is at his devastating best. He needs to use this strength to his advantage. Defenders are showing him inside where they know he has no left foot but his second half improvement showed he has not lost it.
He's a quality player, so it's a shame to see him so out of form. If we are ever to change formation, it's integral that he comes back to form so that we've got a quality wide option either to play in that formation or in case something goes wrong.
It's weird how we've randomly gone from being sorted on the wings to having a whole load of concerns there. I miss seeing Valencia absolutely destroying his full back. Seeing that is like watching a natural disaster in the sense that it is quite beautiful, whilst also being brutal and ruthless at the same time. That was shocking what he did to Cole a couple of seasons back.
It's weird how we've randomly gone from being sorted on the wings to having a whole load of concerns there. I miss seeing Valencia absolutely destroying his full back. Seeing that is like watching a natural disaster in the sense that it is quite beautiful, whilst also being brutal and ruthless at the same time. That was shocking what he did to Cole a couple of seasons back.
Villa played cautiously in the first half and didn't give him the space he needs. He's better when the game is more stretched, as it was towards the end. His game doesn't work against everyone, which is where the other squad options come in useful.
We don't have other squad options on the right with the Nani situation
Jesus christ some of yous are playing it like he did no good thing when that is clearly not the case. He was a threat time and time again.
In the second 'alf, we changed the 'ole midfield except fur the Ecuatorian lad . . . left `n centre . . . dented the old onion bag three times and strook tha bar twice . . . and they're still slatin' the lad. Heavily. They want some fookin' blood, man. And there's a fookin' thread sayin' we're crap . . .
Several posters in the match day thread against Norwich are suggesting lineups that do not include Valencia, so perhaps there are ways round it when necessary.
Agreed. Bench them all, let the players in form play.
Valencia is the most one-footed player I've ever seen at this club.
He makes Beckham and Giggs look ambidextrous.
Was this supposed to be funny?
There are always other possibilities of course just like there are always other possibilities to play Carrick-Scholes duo in CM in away matches.SAF just likes to stick with certain routines, whether they work or not or whether the players are in form or not.
¿True o no?
if that was better then feck me, how has he been before.
Maybe I'm just spoilt, watching Sharpe, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Beckham, Ronaldo all these years but feck me, Valencia was fecking bobbins today and has been pretty much all season.
Same goes for all our current wingers.
So unfunny I actually died a little inside.
Nobby . . . slate tha lad for fecks sake!
Oh, and if that's what you think a lanc accent sounds like in written form, erm, feck me.....
riiiiight, you just get less funny by the post.
I speak Swedish, I have no idea why I would ever post something in Swedish in response to an English post in this form.
Odd, unfunny, the list grows...
Dude, sorry, I just wanted to defend Valencia and the results.
Valencia did fine second half, but we won the game because of Hernandez. Valencia was pretty low down on this list for getting us back into the game. Scholes who was also crap played a big part in getting us back into the game in a way that Valencia did not. Valencia stayed on because we had no other options.
And he was awful first half, no debate there.
I'll say it again, all our wingers deserve to be dropped. Anderson, Cleverley, RVP, Rooney and Hernandez all deserve to play.
Shocking performance. His refusal to use his left foot is embarrassing, the couple of 'hit and run' attempts pathetic and even when he beats his man his delivery is piss poor.
Seriously don't know how people think he's better than Nani.
Seriously don't know how people think he's better than Nani.
Is there really any reason to be this upset? I mean honestly, who fecking cares if he made a joke post that you didn't particularly find funny?
He is really off form, and it showed last night. Was Nani on the bench? It would say a lot if he preferred an off-form Valencia to a fully fit Nani. He'll regain his form in the coming games, was great at the start of the season.
Nani is injured, out for another week I think
I think Nani has more talent for sure,but it is not shown as much as I or the fans would like.Valencia dosn't have the skill Nani posesses and never will but for most of the time He will guarantee you non stop effort for 90 minutes,pace and assists.The guy has 1 or 2 poor games and suddenly he's crap,some people On here make me laugh.
Comparing his form to Nani's isn't fair to Nani. Nani plays one game, and gets dropped for the next three games, while Valencia is certain starter for our almost every game eventough he didn't produce excellent performance for a long time.
Why is it that Valencia has forgotten how to touch the ball down the line, run after it and put crosses into the box? Seriously speaking. Considering he's one of the quickest and strongest footballers in the Premier League you would think he'd back himself to bulldoze past most defenders e.g. Enda Stevens, Javier Garrido who are hardly built like brick houses but so far this season we've seen very little of that from him. Considering how he ended last season I'm genuinely surprised by Valencia's lack of form right now. He's getting so much of the ball and doing so little with it.
Whoever says he can't be frustrating as Nani after watching todays game is idiot. He is most frustrating player in our team this season, and is having awfull first half of this game. And don't say me he is good in defence too, since he barely tracked back today.
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