Hmm not sure where you get the stats from but Griezmann averages 1.3 key passes per game . Sane and co. average around 1.6 to 1.8 per game., according to whoscored. They may have more dribbles, but none of them match Griezmann's goal output. And he has 13 assists, which is more than I thougt too, so he is now slouch. His efficiency wl surely appeal to Jose more than any flashy player who might lose the ball. Just look at how Jose uses Martial.Yes I agree, The lack of presence in the box when Lukaku moves to the half spaces is definitely an issue and something Griezmann would solve. But I also feel that Lukaku should be in the box on the end of chances not on the wings. This ploy cannot be our go-to tactic in games.
With regard to Griezmann, yes he has 10 assists but if you compare his stats to Ribery, Douglas Costa, Neymar and Sane, its quite telling. The aforementioned players create nearly double the no. of key passes, no. of chances per 90 and considerably more successful take-ons/dribbles per 90 mins. And just watching Griezmann play shows that he cant bring to the table what the aforementioned players can. If we didnt already have Sanchez, I would be happy to have Griezmann here since hes a better player and more suited to the role of a second striker to play off Lukaku. But I cannot fathom that our scouting department cannot zero on some targets that can fulfill the role that we really need on the RW instead of buying another marquee player who will seemingly not solve our RW problem.
Anyway, all one can do is hope is that im completely wrong about this and if Griezmann joins us, he fits in supremely well. Im hesitantly boarding the muppet-coaster with you.
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Yes I agree, The lack of presence in the box when Lukaku moves to the half spaces is definitely an issue and something Griezmann would solve. But I also feel that Lukaku should be in the box on the end of chances not on the wings. This ploy cannot be our go-to tactic in games.
With regard to Griezmann, yes he has 10 assists but if you compare his stats to Ribery, Douglas Costa, Neymar and Sane, its quite telling. The aforementioned players create nearly double the no. of key passes, no. of chances per 90 and considerably more successful take-ons/dribbles per 90 mins. And just watching Griezmann play shows that he cant bring to the table what the aforementioned players can. If we didnt already have Sanchez, I would be happy to have Griezmann here since hes a better player and more suited to the role of a second striker to play off Lukaku. But I cannot fathom that our scouting department cannot zero on some targets that can fulfill the role that we really need on the RW instead of buying another marquee player who will seemingly not solve our RW problem.
Anyway, all one can do is hope is that im completely wrong about this and if Griezmann joins us, he fits in supremely well. Im hesitantly boarding the muppet-coaster with you.
I will probably get sticks for this but I will take Douglas Costa or even Wilfred Zaha over Griezmann if it's a straight choice situation. I am convinced that having an out and out dangerous RW specialist supported by an attacking right back, will make us a much more dangerous team than buying Griezmann.
Jose will never tolerate their inconsistency and lack of defensive contribution.
I reckon griezemann is a giant troll. He’ll play silly buggers in the media and then commit to AM again. Summer 2019 we go again
Why am I not muppeting? I just don't have the fever from this transfer at the moment, I need a little bit to go on. I want to muppet, I really do. I was so invested in this last summer.
i got the stats from squawka and checked the stats for the league campaign. I dont know how to put an image here so i just summarized it. For example - Griezmann v Douglas Costa - Grizemann had 1 successful take on per 90 in la liga whereas Douglas Costa has 5 per 90. Chances created - 1.2 v 2.2 and key passes 1.5 v 2.75.
Douglas Costa is not inconsistent defensively. Hes actually been terrific for Juventus, even defensively.
Ok bad analogy but I couldn't think of a song line for he aint nothing but a pricktease
Well I feel the same way when it comes to Douglas Costa, i think he would have been a great acquisition (not so sure about zaha). I feel we have goal scorers in lukaku sanchez martial and rashford. We are devoid of world class creative players that would put fear into defenders.
I would have taken Griezmann over Sanchez, but that ship has sailed.
I think that is the only fear at this point - deciding to stay with Atletico. Definitely think Barca is out of this one.
Hmm maybe because I was basing it on per game rather than per 90 minutes. You can't argue the goals that Griezmann will bring though. Costa has more take-ons and all, but there is a reason why Bayern chose to give him up to Juventus, cause many a time he gets the opening and the end product is not the most consistent. Maybe it's just me, but I can see why Jose would still want Griezmann even after the saga last year. We all saw how toothless we looked when Lukaku was out of action last year - and Rashford and Martial are still very young for footballers and should be still in the stage of improvement especially in terms of consistency, especially with putting away chances.
Not sure I want him tbh. He's not really an out an out RW, which is what we need.
If we play him as a number 10 then we have to play a two man midfield of Pogba and Matic. This has been our dilemma all season because Pogba does not do his defensive duties.
If we play him as a number 10 then we have to play a two man midfield of Pogba and Matic. This has been our dilemma all season because Pogba does not do his defensive duties.
A red ho soon!?
But boy what a tease... Joking aside I would not hold it against him as if it was one of our players that got us out of a spot and won us silverware then I am sure he would be classed as a legend among us United fans.
There is the chance that this is all BS so we can't blame him for "teasing us" again if its just twitter bollox.
I know that second strikers like Rooney, Muller, Dyaba, Griezmann could be able to play as wingers... But those supporting strikers are different to inverted wingers like Salah, Bale, Robben, Mahrez, etc.
We already have goalscorers in Sanchez, Lukaku, Rashford and Martial... We need creative players to provide goal opportunities for them.
That's why I think Griezmann would fit better in a different formation as SS than as a winger.
The way Sanchez plays for us seems more of a creator rather than goal-scorer - loves to drop deep and pick up the ball as often as he can to influence play. I think the only consistent goal scorer we have is Lukaku, with Martial and Rashford yet to reach the same levels of consistency. Still think that with Griezmann in, we can play a 4312 or something similar, allowing Sanchez to play as the AM who also likes to work his socks off when helping the team defensively by dropping into midfield. Griezmann will give Lukaku someone to link up with and someone to be on the box when either of them pull out wide. I don't think any of our players are consistent enough to play as wingers at all, so a narrow formation will suit everyone best. This also allows Rashford and Martial to play with a partner upfront whenever they are chosen by Jose. Who knows we might even see the future of France's strike force if Martial and Griezmann ever hit it off and Martial fulfills potential.
I also don't see anyone we can get as a great option to play as a regular right winger for us in the market at the moment, the one player who can beat his man, whip in crosses consistently while still maintaining his defensive responsibilities which no doubt Jose will want to see. As mentioned before, Griezmann comes with the bonus of playing under Simeone, and should have zero issues fitting into Jose's system or following his instructions.
Probably This. I'm not getting sucked into his games. He will stay at Atletico.
I did say that from last Summer onwards, AG will be linked to us every single Summer. He will join the likes of Ronaldo, Gaitan, etc.
When I said that, for some reason, some posters on here took great offense. They were convinced that he would join us last January. No doubt they have convinced themselves that he will join us this Summer and will convince themselves that he shall join every transfer winder, over the next few years.
Put simply, he made his choice last season. For whatever reason (and ignore that BS reason about a transfer ban....that was a ridiculous reason that only the most gullible individuals of society would accept), he chose AM, over us. Many have said that it's the weather and he prefers Spain. If he moves to Barca, then it should confirm that he basically wants to live in a place where the weather is sunny.
He proceeded to use our name, to get himself a bigger contract - this is nothing new. Many players have done this and I have no doubt that AG shall continue to do this, during the next few years. I would.
I cant say for sure if we passed up the opportunity to sign Costa. I dont think we had the opportunity. According to reports Juve already had an agreement with Bayern, and Juve would have had to pass up on signing Costa for anyone else to sign him. I dont agree with you when it comes to Costa. I think he's world class at his specific role.
While I do agree that we look toothless without Lukaku, we also looked clueless and disbalanced on many occasions even when he was in the team.
I dont think we need to sign top class players keeping in mind the possibility that Lukaku might get injured again. Our major focus should be to have a balanced squad with world class players in each position. No square pegs in round holes. I sincerely hope that Griezmann isnt a square peg (provided we sign him and play him as a RW/RF).
No balanced side would want too many "similar" kind of attacking players in their squad - we are stacked full with forward/wingers. We need players that pose a threat in different ways.
While Grizemann I believe will be an upgrade on the players we have, esp. in central areas, and will take advantage of lukakus hold play and off the ball runs better than any other player we currently have, the RW position will still be an issue IMO.
Which position exactly Griezmann fits is a non issue here. The caliber of player he is warrants shifting the team around as necessary to accommodate. Thankfully it's not all that difficult a task.
A front three with Alexis and Griezmann behind Lukaku is, on paper, quite mouthwatering. All of them are capable of going wide or central as the match dictates. And if pure width is the main concern, fullbacks are arguably more important for that in the modern game.
A front three with Alexis and Griezmann behind Lukaku is, on paper, quite mouthwatering. All of them are capable of going wide or central as the match dictates. And if pure width is the main concern, fullbacks are arguably more important for that in the modern game.
Yup I agree with this. As for whether he is trolling us or not, let's not care too much about that. It's not good to get overly invested in muppetry, but I think it's a fun way to pass the off-season by dabbling in some anyway. France play tomorrow, so I suspect that we will hear more from Griezmann before or after the match, trolling or not.
So we can we sign to solve this RW issue? I think Bale is staying in Real, Mahrez is going to City and Costa is already at Juventus. Who else is there?
Surely if he doesn’t move this summer then he’s never leaving Atlético. Can understand staying last year, but surely this has to be the summer be it Barca or us.
Convinced about what? It says "there's reports claiming".
Absolutely no clue. A lot of young pretenders out there esp. from the french league but none of them are world class (yet).
My team on Fifa 2 years ago used to be.
----------Pogba-----------
Bale---------------Sanchez
-------Griezmann---------
We were class. Tell Woodward this.
----------Pogba-----------
Bale---------------Sanchez
-------Griezmann---------
We were class. Tell Woodward this.
Ffs no
How far off was the rest of the team? Tell me you upgraded on our backline as well..
Pogba up front?
Pogba in the midfield but further forward. Powerful man. Mind you, I had Vidal and Kroos behind him, so maybe I'm asking a bit to bunch.
If we sigh him we have to play him at ST pos not RW. Rather see him to barca than see him play RW. That hurts. Pay for diego costa ffs. How can juve get him for so cheap. That's why we need to pay attention to quality player who have a bad season because he doesnt fit in with the coach.
James in muenchen have been big success this season.
We need to steal thiago and boateng from bayern.
James in muenchen have been big success this season.
We need to steal thiago and boateng from bayern.
If we are to sign him, it's integral we really do get the right fullbacks in to ensure we have a threat there too. Hopefully Dalot fits that profile and we need a very good LB too like Sandro.
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People keep going on about a RW, it's not as if we have a LW either.
As ( sensible) people have said, Sanchez, Lukaku and Griezemann across the front would be rather nice, especially with Rashford and Martial available as subs and understudies.
As ( sensible) people have said, Sanchez, Lukaku and Griezemann across the front would be rather nice, especially with Rashford and Martial available as subs and understudies.
I think you should start by taking your own advice.
Last season, people were saying we're smothered in left wingers, Sanchez, Martial and Rashford. You're the first person to say we don't have one.
There aren't as many of those old fashioned left wingers these days. It's all gone to these inside forward types.
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