Antoine Griezmann

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Philadelphian said:
He did have half a season to watch Juventus past and present, however, and still got it wrong.
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Actually, longer than that. Chelsea were linked with Pogba a lot. I do think Mourinho has a vision for the team that we haven't seen yet, and maybe a player like Griezmann with his ability and style is needed.

Mourinho did say that Mata suits United's style more than he did Chelsea, so Mourinho clearly wants more attacking football.
 
Philadelphian said:
Also think Mhki could move into Herrera's role, meaning Martial - Ibra - Griezmann for a year.
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Herrera does a lot of the dirty work - tackles, interceptions, pressing etc, so I'm not sure Mkhitaryan suits that role at all. Then again Di Maria did play successfully in a midfield 3 for Ancelotti at Real Madrid, so it's not to say its impossible, but Mkhitaryan would need to change his style/game to accommodate.

................Carrick
.....Mkhitaryan....Pogba
Griezmann.....Ibra.....Martial

I've shown Carrick here for now but if we did go with something like this, even just in the easier home games, we would need a much more imposing DM.
 
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PlayerOne said:
Actually, longer than that. Chelsea were linked with Pogba a lot. I do think Mourinho has a vision for the team that we haven't seen yet, and maybe a player like Griezmann with his ability and style is needed.

Mourinho did say that Mata suits United's style more than he did Chelsea, so Mourinho clearly wants more attacking football.
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How can that vision be a good thing if it meant putting Pogba back into a 2 man midfield? He clearly misjudged something along the way.
 


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Philadelphian said:
How can that vision be a good thing if it meant putting Pogba back into a 2 man midfield? He clearly misjudged something along the way.
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Who says Pogba will play in a midfield two? Besides, Pogba's a young player and still has a lot to learn. Maybe Jose sees something in him that we haven't seen yet

I just happen to trust Mourinho, his buys have been very good.
 
The men are now joining the bandwagon - http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...hester-united-news-transfer-fixtures-12470194


Man Utd manager Jose Mourinho began preparing a transfer for Antoine Griezmann shortly after he signed Paul Pogba

United have shown interest in Antoine Griezmann, Victor Lindelof and Tiemoué Bakayoko, while they are also open to signing a younger striker.


Griezmann is the attacking priority. Like Pogba, there are patent issues with fitting him into a side with options of the calibre of Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Anthony Martial, Juan Mata, Marcus Rashford and maybe Rooney, but the 25-year-old Frenchman is a world-class goalscorer, the ideal heir to Ibrahimovic or Rooney, young enough to be prolific for years to come but also experienced. United's number seven will also be vacant, which should leave the commercial department salivating
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Devil may care said:
What makes you think this? Just a genuine question as Jose has favoured a big striker with strong hold-up play for the last decade or more.
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Doesn't mean it will always be like that. His forward line in Madrid was very fluid. And I don't see any striker in the mould of what you are describing anywhere on the market, that's remotely good enough. Who's to say Mourinho doesn't want to move from the "big man up front" style of attack. I simply have a hard time believing Mourinho would spend £90m on a player without knowing what he intends to do with him.
Mourinho has indicated on numerous occasssions this season, he wants to build a style more attacking than what he's done before. I don't see him as a dogmatic coach insisting on one style of play.
 
One thing I don't understand about this thread, is why will we be having a fixed XI for every match and every circumstance after next summer? It's just not going to work like that.
It's more likely that Griezmann would create options for us as a squad than take them away.
Say for example I don't know at home against Burnley, I like to think it's reasonable to have Pogba maurading in a midfield two. If Pogba can't play in a midfield two at home against opponents who plan to sit back all day then he's been a massive waste of money.
Then say away to city a midfielder comes in for an attacker.
It's all about being adaptable.
 
Adisa said:
Doesn't mean it will always be like that. His forward line in Madrid was very fluid. And I don't see any striker in the mould of what you are describing anywhere on the market, that's remotely good enough. Who's to say Mourinho doesn't want to move from the "big man up front" style of attack. I simply have a hard time believing Mourinho would spend £90m on a player without knowing what he intends to do with him.
Mourinho has indicated on numerous occasssions this season, he wants to build a style more attacking than what he's done before. I don't see him as a dogmatic coach insisting on one style of play.
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Obviously we can't read Jose's mind but there has been nothing to suggest that Jose would favour playing a forward line in the style of Barca, Dortmund and Liverpool, we can only go off his prior teams, even the Real Madrid one had Benzema as the #9 doing the hold up play and providing a physical target. The other thing is Griezmann s tiny and not a #9, his transformation from good player to world class attacker came from playing off a target #9 that laid the ball off for his second man runs, there's no evidence of him thriving in the system you describe. Maybe Jose is going to try what you suggest and maybe it will work, but it seems a hell of a gamble with zero evidence that it can work, given the numbers involved.
 
I have a few questions if we do sign him someone can hopefully answer for me :angel:
Who does he replace in the team ?
Will he play out wide and Ibra will be in the middle of the attack ?
Will there be a change of formation ?
I thought Pogba's best position was where he is now,if Griezmann is signed will he(Pogba) no longer be able to play in his current position ?
 
Woody getting us aroused with some early foreplay. What a guy.
 
Dec9003 said:
One thing I don't understand about this thread, is why will we be having a fixed XI for every match and every circumstance after next summer? It's just not going to work like that.
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Have you not watched Jose Mourinho for the past 15 years? The man tries to keep his side as unchanged as physically possible. It hasn't been like that this season because of how underwhelming certain players and how we've had to tinker, but ever since we found a winning formula, there's been barely any change.
 
cyberman said:
Pogba isn't good enough in front of goal to be dismissing what Griezmann would provide in terms of creativity, goals and assists.
A slightly lesser Pogba and Griezmann that can work well together is better than having Pogba at 100% on his own, anyway it's clear as day to me that Griezmann will be a false 9 with our widemen tucked further in as inside forwards.
We'll get our width from our fullbacks since it can't be a coincidence we are linked with a new leftback and the rightback from Benfica.
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He has 13(?) assists in 115 or so games for his current team. He isn't someone you rely on to be creative. He isn't someone you rely on beating his man with skill and pace playing wide. He is world class but under certain conditions and creating those conditions would almost certainly limit Pogba unless we sign beast of a player in the mould of prime Vidal/Keano to play beside him and he learns to play in the midfield two effectively. That's a huuuge stretch and is the entire reason me and othes have reservations over Griezmann.

I am looking from someone to change my mind but I haven't seen anyone putting an actual proper argument about it. The occasional "but it's Griezmann, world class, you don't pass on world class player, he can play whatever position upfront, don't you worry, Pogba will be fine in midfield two" doesn't cut it. You all saw videos of him playing wide and how innefective he is for example. Still waiting for an actual thoughtfull argument why we should sign him.

Also about "A slightly lesser Pogba and Griezmann that can work well together is better than having Pogba at 100% on his own" You forgot Herrera. It's Pogba at his best position + Herrera (or someone we sign to upgrade) against lesser Pogba and Griezmann. You just added Griezmann and forgot to substract someone else from the team.

rpg said:
Just stick him in Martial place and he won't possibly do any worse than Martial. Then stick him in Ibra place halfway through the season and let Martial Rashford fight it out on the left wing.
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And this is an example of an opposite of that kind of argument I asked above. He won't do better than Martial in his role, even with Martial being barely 21. He's not a winger and isn't someone you rely on beating his man by pace or trickery. Martial is already better in that role than Griezmann. He won't replace Zlatan either, he can't lead the line on his own efefctively. He barely ever played that in his career, he's different kind of player. You can't just 'stick him in for Ibra', it's ridiculous.
 
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Griezmann definitely isn't creative, but his goal tally really is solid. In all competitions: 32 goals last year, 25 the year before that, and 20 before that.
In La Liga: 22 goals last year, 22 the year before that, 16 the year before that.

Consistent goalscoring is what we need, which for me, is the biggest pull of a Grizou signing.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Griezmann definitely isn't creative, but his goal tally really is solid. In all competitions: 32 goals last year, 25 the year before that, and 20 before that.
In La Liga: 22 goals last year, 22 the year before that, 16 the year before that.

Consistent goalscoring is what we need, which for me, is the biggest pull of a Grizou signing.
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He is a lot more creative than the assists stats suggests, he has a solid amount of key passes and he often make the difference through them.
 
If this happens, it'll be Griezmann as the false 9 and us keeping the 4-3-3. Ideally, we need a long term replacement for Carrick and then our team would be set.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Have you not watched Jose Mourinho for the past 15 years? The man tries to keep his side as unchanged as physically possible. It hasn't been like that this season because of how underwhelming certain players and how we've had to tinker, but ever since we found a winning formula, there's been barely any change.
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Saying that Mourinho has stuck to one exact starting eleven everywhere he has been is stupid.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Don't think we'll get him as I doubt he'll move here without CL football (which I doubt we will get).
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People need to stop with the "No CL football" stuff. If United go for him CL football is not going to be the reason why he won't come. Pogba, Ibra and Mkhi all left clubs that had CL football to come to United.

Also it's not like Athletico is nailed on for a CL spot. They are currently 4th 4 points below 3rd and only 2 and 3 points ahead of Real Sociedad and Villareal
 
We should of tried to sign this kid when he tore us a new one for Real Sociedad in the Champions League under Moyes in 2013.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Have you not watched Jose Mourinho for the past 15 years? The man tries to keep his side as unchanged as physically possible. It hasn't been like that this season because of how underwhelming certain players and how we've had to tinker, but ever since we found a winning formula, there's been barely any change.
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He makes changes when he needs to though. If we miss out on the Champions League then we'll have to deal with Thursday night games and the Christmas fixtures next season will be hectic, we'll need a big squad and good enough backup players
 
Paolo Di Canio said:
We should of tried to sign this kid when he tore us a new one for Real Sociedad in the Champions League under Moyes in 2013.
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We were linked with him and I think Moyes even watched him. Shame that Moyes was an idiot.
 
Mourinho isn't happy with our goalscorers. He will want more goals, and I expect Griezmann to replace Rooney.
 
He's not the typical Jose striker - the big units with great techniques like Drogba, Ibra, Benzema etc. I don't think we'll buy him for the striker's role. More for an inside forward role coming off the wing. Probably Micky on the left, Griezmann in the right and Zlatan/Martial rotating for the strikers role.
 
If we are in for him like everyone and their mother is saying then Jose must have a plan for our formation or must be confident/discussed with griezmON if he's comfortable in alternative positions. Or Pogba has given the go ahead playing in a 2 man midfield and will adapt. He's only 23 after all he can still steer his game a little.
 
Xeno said:
Rooney doesn't play, so no.
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He came on in the 2nd half against pool, I imagine that's exactly how he would want to line up but with Griezmann being more effective.
 
FWIW I do think he'd flop if he came here. From what I've seen he doesn't seem to cope with pressure very well. How well would he adapt to the Premier League?
 
Adam-Utd said:
He came on in the 2nd half against pool, I imagine that's exactly how he would want to line up but with Griezmann being more effective.
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So you'll sit 90 mil signing and have him come of bench in few games here and there? No white text?
 
Alexrad said:
So you'll sit 90 mil signing and have him come of bench in few games here and there? No white text?
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Who said anything about the bench? I said about the 2nd half team.
 
Acquire Me said:
I am looking forward to see this thread overtake the Pogba thread :)
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Even if there was a chance of this happening it'd never overtake the Pogba thread, he doesn't generate nearly enough excitement as Pogba did.
 
Devil may care said:
If it happens do you think it will drag on all summer like the Pogba transfer?
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I hope not. But the big transfers usually do though.

AltiUn said:
Even if there was a chance of this happening it'd never overtake the Pogba thread, he doesn't generate nearly enough excitement as Pogba did.
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I think his a really exciting player tbh.
 
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This one won't reach Pogba levels, it'll be completed in the scenes before the summer and announced fairly early once the break has finished.
 
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