Antoine Griezmann

Status
Not open for further replies.
Surely he'd be starting as one of the front 3.. For easier home games I suspect he'd play more of a 10 role.

It's not like we're awash with quality - we've just had a bit of form for a couple of months. We're hardly pinging them in from all angles - it would be much more than a vanity buy, I think it's an essential buy if we want to compete.
 
fatboy said:
Having Griezmann and Pogba in the team means literally having to set the whole team up to fit these two players. France failed to do this in the Euros and eventually paid the price (with the talent in their squad they really should have won it).
We've finally found some kind of a balance with Zlatan, Pogba, Herrera, and the wide forwards. We're just starting to reap the rewards and gaining momentum. Am really not sure we want to mess around anytime soon trying to fit in another "marquee" player.
Click to expand...
My perception was that France tried to shoehorn Pogba, Kante, Matuidi together, rather than Griezmann being the player to cause tactical incompatibility.

In fact, I think Pogba played similarly frustratingly in his first few United matches as he did at the Euros. He adapted and Jose got it right. He now plays well with players such as Mata, Martial, Mhiki, etc...

I just don't see Griezmann as being a long term incompatibility.
 
Would Griezmann be Zlatan's replacement in 2 years time? Can he play on the left like Martial or Rashford are doing, if they are to be the #9s? Genuine question.
 
Remix said:
Ask @EdWeatherall
Click to expand...
100% hit rate on transfers
I don't go anywhere else for my transfer news

I remember asking him about Bale in the Moyes era and he told me it was nonsense, he had heard from a good source the lad had just bought a new house there or something

I was almost in tears as he would have been amazing for us, didn't want to believe him but turned out to be right

He knew about Pogba well before the journos, even knew the exact day he was going to sign
 
Fridge chutney said:
My perception was that France tried to shoehorn Pogba, Kante, Matuidi together, rather than Griezmann being the player to cause tactical incompatibility.

In fact, I think Pogba played similarly frustratingly in his first few United matches as he did at the Euros. He adapted and Jose got it right. He now plays well with players such as Mata, Martial, Mhiki, etc...

I just don't see Griezmann as being a long term incompatibility.
Click to expand...

France didn't try to play Kanté at all, which is one of the problem I have with Deschamps.
 
Fridge chutney said:
My perception was that France tried to shoehorn Pogba, Kante, Matuidi together, rather than Griezmann being the player to cause tactical incompatibility.

In fact, I think Pogba played similarly frustratingly in his first few United matches as he did at the Euros. He adapted and Jose got it right. He now plays well with players such as Mata, Martial, Mhiki, etc...

I just don't see Griezmann as being a long term incompatibility.
Click to expand...

Totally agree plus the argument "with the talent they had they should have won it" so what happened to Germany or Spain and would we turn down their players?? The problem wasn't Griezmann and Pogba it was s combination of all.
 
Tiber said:
Re. some posts in this thread - you sure as hell don't pass up Griezmann to spare the feelings of a 35 year old striker
Click to expand...

podurban2 said:
I don't get it. There's also every possibility Zlatan will rapidly decline after the summer. And then people on here will instead have a nervous breakdown.
Click to expand...

I don't get your line of thinking at all...

There's no chance Griezmann will ever be Zlatan replacement, he can't play the role of lone striker effectively. Look at Jose teams and his history and his strikers...Griezmann will play SS or on the wing for him. Maybe few odd games in CL and PL where we set up to counter the whole game. Martial or Rashford will lead the line or we will buy someone else who will. That's where people have issue with him...where do you fit him?

NoPace said:
I think people would be surprised with how good Griezmann would be on the right, especially if Rashford become the 9 in 2018 and is happy to drift wide at times. I think at least one of and maybe both Mata and Rooney would be sold, with Lingard maybe keeping his place in the squad as he would be happy to be 4th choice on the wings and really 5th with Rashford getting time when Ibra is gobbling up the 9 minutes.

When we're 4-3-3, one of Mkhitaryan, Griezmann or Martial would rest and come on with 30 to go to terrorize tiring defences. And against worse teams maybe more 4-2-3-1 with Griezmann as the 10 behind Ibra/Rashford with

If we have a ruthless, expensive summer like last year or Chelsea's in 2014 that brought them a title, we'll sign Griezmann, a CM to rotate with Herrera and Pogba, a DM to replace Carrick and an LCB who can pass.
Click to expand...

I really hope you're right, if he can indeed play wide (doesn't matter which side) effectively I am all up for it. I'm still not convinced though...

Camilo said:
Surely he'd be starting as one of the front 3.. For easier home games I suspect he'd play more of a 10 role.

It's not like we're awash with quality - we've just had a bit of form for a couple of months. We're hardly pinging them in from all angles - it would be much more than a vanity buy, I think it's an essential buy if we want to compete.
Click to expand...

No one denies that we do need to sign someone in the area...it's just about who should it be and if Griezmann is a good fit.
 
EdWeatherall said:
100% hit rate on transfers
I don't go anywhere else for my transfer news

I remember asking him about Bale in the Moyes era and he told me it was nonsense, he had heard from a good source the lad had just bought a new house there or something

I was almost in tears as he would have been amazing for us, didn't want to believe him but turned out to be right

He knew about Pogba well before the journos, even knew the exact day he was going to sign
Click to expand...
Except Moytes himself has since come out and said we offered more for bale.
 
Summit said:
Except Moytes himself has since come out and said we offered more for bale.
Click to expand...
I'm not standing up for @Remix but that doesn't mean it wasn't nonsense that Bale would move here. Everyone and their dog knew Bale wanted Real and Real wanted Bale. No matter what we offered, him coming here was always nonsense.
 
Rado_N said:
I have lots of connections professionally in the sport but wouldn't get told transfer stuff much in advance and would never share anything I did hear.
Click to expand...
Serious question though, why does it bother you so much?
 
Bubz27 said:
Because you wouldn't share info, it bothers you that others do?
Click to expand...
More that because in my mind those who genuinely do get bits of information wouldn't (or shouldn't) share it publicly.

There's an old quote "those who know do not speak, those who speak do not know".

99.99% of ITK stuff is guesswork/BS and it's frustrating.
 
Rado_N said:
More that because in my mind those who genuinely do get bits of information wouldn't (or shouldn't) share it publicly.

There's an old quote "those who know do not speak, those who speak do not know".

99.99% of ITK stuff is guesswork/BS and it's frustrating.
Click to expand...
yeah but, what about the people sharing it with you? ;)

ffs Rado, didn't know you was an ITK
 
Rado_N said:
More that because in my mind those who genuinely do get bits of information wouldn't (or shouldn't) share it publicly.

There's an old quote "those who know do not speak, those who speak do not know".

99.99% of ITK stuff is guesswork/BS and it's frustrating.
Click to expand...
I get that. But it is a bit of a cycle. Plenty of stuff gets 'leaked' for ulterior motives, not exclusive to transfer interest.

Of course that doesn't cover a so called ITK on these forums. Hypothetically, lets say I had the inside track on a transfer because someone told me, why would that person tell me? Likely because he wants to look good infront of me or his friends. So what's my motive for sharing? Probably the same motive it was originally 'leaked'.
 
Summit said:
yeah but, what about the people sharing it with you? ;)

ffs Rado, didn't know you was an ITK
Click to expand...
I don't hear much about transfers, aside from those relating to clients directly, and if anyone were to tell me anything they wouldn't be doing it publicly which is the difference.

If someone told me something it'd be because they trusted me to not go and blab about it.

Anyway, I'm cynical of ITK stuff because it's almost all bull :)
 
Bubz27 said:
I get that. But it is a bit of a cycle. Plenty of stuff gets 'leaked' for ulterior motives, not exclusive to transfer interest.

Of course that doesn't cover a so called ITK on these forums. Hypothetically, lets say I had the inside track on a transfer because someone told me, why would that person tell me? Likely because he wants to look good infront of me or his friends. So what's my motive for sharing? Probably the same motive it was originally 'leaked'.
Click to expand...
Strategic leaks are given to media outlets, not people at random to share via social media.

Someone would be unlikely to tell friends stuff they were aware of, it's usually professional relationships with an inherent understanding of not spreading stuff around.
 
Feck it.

De Gea
Valencia Jones Rojo Shaw
Pogba Herrera Griezman
Mhkitaryan Zlatan Martial
​
Just out score the opposition.
 
Rado_N said:
Strategic leaks are given to media outlets, not people at random to share via social media.

Someone would be unlikely to tell friends stuff they were aware of, it's usually professional relationships with an inherent understanding of not spreading stuff around.
Click to expand...
Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen though, right? Or it could happen?

Much like next year being Liverpool's, a real life ITK on this forum is possible, but unlikely?
 
Fridge chutney said:
My perception was that France tried to shoehorn Pogba, Kante, Matuidi together, rather than Griezmann being the player to cause tactical incompatibility.

In fact, I think Pogba played similarly frustratingly in his first few United matches as he did at the Euros. He adapted and Jose got it right. He now plays well with players such as Mata, Martial, Mhiki, etc...

I just don't see Griezmann as being a long term incompatibility.
Click to expand...
And before that?

Like I've said already in here, they've played 38 games together for France. Not talking about them doesn't make them go away.
 
The reason we keep getting linked to him is because we need more clinical finishers in this side, and of the ones obtainable he is the best option, as we can't buy Aubameyang as Ibra is staying for another season.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.