Hes credible but he's only said we have a fair chance..
Antoine Griezmann
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Hes credible but he's only said we have a fair chance..
Lord of the Muppets. Got Pogba spot on, in fairness.
Having said that, there's a newbie poster who told me he had some inside information about that deal which turned out to be true.
People need to remember that both Carrick and Zlatan won't be here for too much longer (next season and that's probably it) so we'll be out of two incredibly important cogs in the 433 we're currently witnessing. And at the moment neither of our players seems to be good enough to take over their role.
Im sure Mourinho is already in the process of sorting that out.
It is probably possible, but it should be some weird formation. We could try to play Pogba in the same position as Koke for Atletico (in the left side of a midfield four) which actually might work considering that he played in similar position for Juve at times. However, for that to work we would need a better attacking fullback than Shaw.
Which would then mean our best player of last year would no longer start (Martial) or if he did it would be in substitute appearances and small games in lieu of Ibrahimovic?
I really don't want this to happen unless Griezmann can prove himself at a top level as a sole striker. There is no point playing obscene amounts of money on Griezmann when he doesn't really fit our side.
Martial can replace Ibra on the year after. Anyway, there are other options like going with a diamond (again it means Martial not starting) which might be incredibly balanced with Mkhitaryan as No.10, Griezmann and Ibra as strikers and then a midfield three.
Either way, this signing (or any other attacking signing) will be the end of Mata at United. A very good player, but his minutes will be even more limited.
Regardless, Griezmann is one of my favorite players, and I think that he could have as big as impact as Ibra has had here, so I am all for this signing. If you can sign players of this level you sign them first and worry about where to play them later. In my book, it will be quite similar to when we signed Ibra (or RVP for that matter). Sure, some young player might have less chances, but it is a big upgrade.
Saying that, I think that we should fix other positions first. We cannot hope that Carrick plays forever each match on this level. We need urgently to sign someone who can do what Carrick does, and that is far from trivial.
That looks quite feesible to me, in theory might even get the best out of Martial. Mkhy's no problem either, dude can play any one of the front 4 positions.
Yes, you are right, you did say the change was not worth it.
Its something we've been guilty of for quite a while, especially since Sir Alex retired. Getting someone for their name, instead of how they will suit our game and system.
For example, as good as he's been, Mata was a player who we bought because he was a big name, who we ended up playing on the wing, despite him being a lot better as a 10. You could agrue the same for Fellaini too.
If we do get him, what do you think will be an ideal set-up to get the best out of both him and Pogba? Griezmann has always played with a striker in front of him as you say, like Mueller.
So if we were to field Griezmann & Pogba together it would have to come at great collective cost. Our defensive structure and/or our width gets compromised
I don't think he is needed.
His best position is a second striker which we don't play. A false 9 would mean ibra would be benched which will never happen. So he will have to be an AM which would cut into Pogba s influence. On the wings would mean benching one of martial (who I believe is going to get better) or mkhitariyan
His best position is a second striker which we don't play. A false 9 would mean ibra would be benched which will never happen. So he will have to be an AM which would cut into Pogba s influence. On the wings would mean benching one of martial (who I believe is going to get better) or mkhitariyan
Ibrahimovic is only with us for another season though. We have to think long term, and I reckon Rashford/Martial/Mkhitaryan combining with Griezmann in behind would be devastating.
We don't yet know how he'd do on the left of a 4-3-3 and frankly Mourinho can't bank on Martial turning out to be one of the world's best forwards (which Griezmann already is). As good as Martial was last season, he scored just, what, 11 league goals? Zlatan already has more and Griezmann playing wide would probably score several more too (scores by the hatful even in a very defensively-minded team).
Most of the arguments I'm seeing against AG revolve around what would happen to Martial (and Rashford), but I can't get why people are worried about that. If I look at this United team without Zlatan, there really is nothing we have to offer. Martial could turn out to be the next coming of Jesus, but could just as easily turn into a Januzaj - unfulfilled promise. Jose is the manager of Manchester United. As a club we can't be taking such massive punts, specially with Zlatan likely to slow down (doesn't look like it, but age will eventually catch up, sadly). The same holds for Rashford. Could be the true successor to Macro van Basten...or could turn into a Ryan Babel. If Martial or Rashford doesn't come good, we're way too short to challenge domestically or in Europe. So, we need a world-class attacker (or 2) lined up. Those aren't particularly easy to come by as you'd know. Griezmann if available is just about perfect. He's relatively young, massively skilled, very hard-working and proven several times over at scoring and assisting.
Where could he play? Frankly, wherever Jose deems him best. Next season, I won't weep if our first-choice starting line-up has him and Mkhi either side of Zlatan - with Martial and Rashford on the bench. With Zlatan slowing down, they'll get time and if they're good enough, they'll start regardless of who else is in the squad.
The whole "let's not stifle the youth even if it means not getting better players" thing is admirable, but too Wenger-y; look where Arsenal have gone under the man who'll stand by youth despite more talented players being available.
Either a diamond (which is not favored by Mourinho against certain oppositions, especially English clubs - against whom he reconfigured his diamond to a 4-2-3-1 even at Porto), or an asymmetric 4-4-2 setup where Griezmann is the support striker and Pogba is in the pseudo wide midfielder/playmaker role:
Griezmann - Griezmann.
Mkhitaryan can do what Turan did as the wide attacking midfielder (in terms of workrate on and off the ball, apart from his prowess in attack).
Herrera in the Gabi role.
And Pogba is not entirely unaccustomed to playing in wider areas.
eg. as the LCM here for Juventus:
http://spielverlagerung.com/2016/05/11/juventus-controlled-offense/
No interest in all the potential formations and where he/Pogba/Zlatan/Rashford will play etc. If Greizmann joins us he will be a success. Based on nothing but a feeling.
I think you need to win the league to be able to get players like Griezman. If Atletico made him available both Chelsea and City will want to buy him. Maybe even Juventus and Barcelona. United is a big club for sure, but to attract world class-players who every great club in the world wants you also need to have big titles. A obvious objection to this would be point to Mkhitaryan and Pogba who you got without even CL. But Pogba had the connection and you had the insane bid for hm, in the case of Mkhitaryan I honestly don't think so many other big clubs was interested in the same way as they would be with Griezman. He could possible be the best player in the world in a couple of years.
Disagree
If United offer a sum that nobody else can match and the selling club can't reject, 90% of the time they'll get him.
Griezmann as well by all accounts is a United fan and wants to play for us
Well, he has a buy-out clause set to 100 million. If he continues being one of 3 best players in the world, i definitely can se City, maybe Chelsea, Juventus and even Real Madrid be willing to pay that amount. But most curtain City who's already before been willing to pay over 150 million for a player like Messi. If Griezmann wanted to go there Real Madrid would definitely pay that amount to get him.
If he didn't have a buy-out clause then maybe United would have the best position to pay a ridiculous sums for him, but now that he has, i think at least a few other clubs would be willing to pay 100 million for him.
I don't think athletico will sell to real or barca, also people need to understand that buyout clauses don't make a difference especially if the buying club is foreign as the selling club can block the move. It depends solely wether athletico want to sell and if greizmann would like to move, i think if greizmann is sold his destination will be utd as city are not interested nor will they be unless pep shows any interest which he clearly hasn't. Also a site i visit which is pretty good with possible targets, a mod there says that chelsea has backed off right now and he is generally very reliable with transfer news.
Real couldn't/wouldn't pay 90m for Pogba, so I'm not so sure about that.
Reports again tonight that, we are after him.
what reports
The Sun
. Saying we have held talks with his representative.The Sun
GreizmON I think this is next summers worst kept secret.
He'd be a fantastic signing. Let Jose work out where he'd fit in.
People comparing him to signing Fellaini and Mata are being silly. Both of the above were slow players. We already had Rooney and Carrick at the club so adding more slow players didn't make sense at the time.
Where as Griezmann is one of the best players in the world who is capable of playing across the forward line. He would add a threat that only really Lingard provides which is running in behind. Jose likes one of his wide men coming inside and Griezmann could do that role. He's also a hard worker which he had to be playing in a 4-4-2 and for Simeone.
People comparing him to signing Fellaini and Mata are being silly. Both of the above were slow players. We already had Rooney and Carrick at the club so adding more slow players didn't make sense at the time.
Where as Griezmann is one of the best players in the world who is capable of playing across the forward line. He would add a threat that only really Lingard provides which is running in behind. Jose likes one of his wide men coming inside and Griezmann could do that role. He's also a hard worker which he had to be playing in a 4-4-2 and for Simeone.
This. 3rd in the Ballon Dor and people compare him to Fellain, were a funny bunch
TBF the Sun are a joke but they did get the Neymar news right, if that's any consolation.
Wont believe a word of this until King Muppet Acquire Me gives this move his blessing
I honestly don't see the point in this signing unless we're planning on playing him as a striker.
Ibra is 35 will be 36 and on his last year. It makes Lot of sense.
Aye, I'm sure nothing moves at a United without his knowledge.
What Neymar news?
How is griezmann doing this season?
I agree with your analysis that Griezmann is who we need, and there is a transition towards a two striker or 1.5 striker system will work.
One thing about Jose is that for a large portion of his managerial career, he has always favored a style that utilizes the one striker system with a strong, complete striker at the front (Drogba, Costa, Zlatan) in England. I don't mind for this season only he is sticking to this system to stabilize the team, but it will be a waste if he were to continue this for seasons to come, because United possesses good strikers in the squad and adding Griezmann will mean that United will have a much stronger frontline.
Jose will need to work over the summer on how to change the team and his own mentality for a new system to work. If he continues to favor his old and trusted approach, he should bid for Harry Kane instead.
They were the first to come out with an exclusive saying we put a bid in for him and everyone blew it off as nonsense at the time but a while later his father came out and said we were in negotiations but he opted to stay at Barca iirc.
This is going to sound very simplistic, unsophisticated, perhaps even plebbish, but if you have a world class player, they will fit into a team and be world class.
Griezmann is world class. We should get him if we can.
Griezmann is world class. We should get him if we can.
Veron was world class.
I might be in the minority but I don't think griezmann (or James Rodriguez) is worth close to Pogba's fee. I hope we look elsewhere.
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